LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

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It's all depending on whta Dubois is asking. If it's 8x8 then I am OK with your package. If it's 8x9 then hell no, the Habs should stop the trade discussion.
I think we can expect 8.75M if he signs in Montreal. Maybe a bit less. I’m ok with any number that doesn’t start with a 9.
 
The fact that L.A seems to be a legit player in this race now probably makes me want to up it up a notch.

I would be comfortable with Beck, 31st, 37th, Hoffman and another smaller piece like Primeau, maybe?

Edit: Maybe Ylonen could in there somewhere instead of one of these assets?
No way Hughes gives up more or less 3 late 1sts for Dubois, if there are other offers on the table I think he would not get into a bidding war for a player of Dubois level. A luxury if he falls into your lap, but for sure not a need in the next few years especially not when you are also commiting at least 8M for the next 8 years to sign him which will include 3 or 4 down years when he is in his 30's
 
No way Hughes gives up more or less 3 late 1sts for Dubois, if there are other offers on the table I think he would not get into a bidding war for a player of Dubois level. A luxury if he falls into your lap, but for sure not a need in the next few years especially not when you are also commiting at least 8M for the next 8 years to sign him which will include 3 or 4 down years when he is in his 30's

31, 37, Beck + Hoffman (1 yeah for cap purposes)

Is fine for Dubois. Dvorak is young enough to be our 3C until he draft/acquire another one to fill the role Beck is expected to.

Dubois is a Top 6 power forward that can play Centre those are hard to come by. If he wasn't demanding out and only willing to go to a couple spots his value would be enormous.
 
The fact that L.A seems to be a legit player in this race now probably makes me want to up it up a notch.

I would be comfortable with Beck, 31st, 37th, Hoffman and another smaller piece like Primeau, maybe?

Edit: Maybe Ylonen could in there somewhere instead of one of these assets?
When are you gonna up it a notch?

You're paying 37th to get rid of Hoffman. Beck and 31for PLD doesn't cut it

31 Beck Barron and it's in the "offers to be considered" pile
 
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31, 37, Beck + Hoffman (1 yeah for cap purposes)

Is fine for Dubois. Dvorak is young enough to be our 3C until he draft/acquire another one to fill the role Beck is expected to.

Dubois is a Top 6 power forward that can play Centre those are hard to come by. If he wasn't demanding out and only willing to go to a couple spots his value would be enormous.
A player who has only hit 63 points by his age, is not turning into a PPG player especially with poorer linemates than he has had until now. The tail-end of an 8 year contract will be ugly.
 
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The fact that L.A seems to be a legit player in this race now probably makes me want to up it up a notch.

I would be comfortable with Beck, 31st, 37th, Hoffman and another smaller piece like Primeau, maybe?

Wait, that’s you upping it a notch?

What were you offering before?!
 
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When are you gonna up it a notch?

You're paying 37th to get rid of Hoffman. Beck and 31for PLD doesn't cut it

31 Beck Barron and it's in the "offers to be considered" pile

Oh right I forgot it is impossible to add in cap (which is the norm when a player asking for 9m/year come into your team) without having to break the piggy bank.

The bolded is simply laughable.

Wait, that’s you upping it a notch?

What were you offering before?!

Beck + 31st. I edited the post with Ylonen as the last piece. I honestly don’t know what else to add that’s already a lot of valuable assets
 
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Oh right I forgot it is impossible to add in cap (which is the norm when a player asking for 9m/year come into your team) without having to break the piggy bank.

The bolded is simply laughable.



Beck + 31st. I edited the post with Ylonen as the last piece. I honestly don’t know what else to add that’s already a lot of valuable assets
Jets pass

It's also the norm to have to pay to dump salary
 
A player who has only hit 63 points by his age, is not turning into a PPG player especially with poorer linemates than he has had until now. The tail-end of an 8 year contract will be ugly.
A player currently making 8.5M and giving his team 70+ points per season is more than fair. With cap going up it will either end up being a fair contract or a small bargain. Not sure why everyone on here always go to both extremes

Jets pass

It's also the norm to have to pay to dump salary
If you pass just because you feel Habs should pay an extra (quality) asset to dump a 1 year contract when you’re already getting the equivalent of 3 first round pick in value when you don’t even need the cap/compete next year is a pure joke.

You take the contract and facilitate the trade if you like the package coming back.
 
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Beck + 31st. I edited the post with Ylonen as the last piece. I honestly don’t know what else to add that’s already a lot of valuable assets

It will be interesting to compare proposals that fans have made and compare it to the actual trade. It’s a good indication of who has hockey sense here, wouldn’t you agree?
 
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It will be interesting to compare proposals that fans have made and compare it to the actual trade. It’s a good indication of who has hockey sense here, wouldn’t you agree?
If the jets aren't interested in futures then I don't think anyone is going to get this trade right
 
It will be interesting to compare proposals that fans have made and compare it to the actual trade. It’s a good indication of who has hockey sense here, wouldn’t you agree?
To be fair I offered this when Florida was down 1-3 against Boston which means it was the 17th pick at the time.

If you want to compare, do it with my recent offer of Beck, 31st, 37th, Ylonen and Hoffman.

I would like to know your thoughts on what both packages from Montreal and L.A should be so we have something to compare to.
 
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If the jets aren't interested in futures then I don't think anyone is going to get this trade right

If Jets are clearing out Hellebuyck too (and likely Scheifele), aren’t we rebuilding? Chevy may have been forced to change his approach now… but I am not 100% certain.

Futures may be sufficient… or maybe not. :huh:
 
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If Jets are clearing out Hellebuyck too (and likely Scheifele), aren’t we rebuilding? Chevy may have been forced to change his approach now… but I am not 100% certain.

Futures may be sufficient… or maybe not. :huh:
dreger was on sports center two days ago mentioned trading all them but still wanting to be competitive, I think they target rfa's or prospects that are very close to nhl ready over picks and prospects a few years away
 
You mean like Tage Thompson?
I call Tage Thompson "a wealthy man's Brock Nelson" because he's bigger, and more skilled. The comparison shows, though, something about their development. But Nelson & Thompson were gangly 18-20 year olds who'd get consistently outmuscled by players like Dubois. They changed a ton into their mid-20s. Guys built like bulls at 19 years old aren't anything like Tage Thompson (or Brock Nelson).
 
If Jets are clearing out Hellebuyck too (and likely Scheifele), aren’t we rebuilding? Chevy may have been forced to change his approach now… but I am not 100% certain.

Futures may be sufficient… or maybe not. :huh:
Yeah it seems like If you are moving that many core pieces you will not get back pieces that will slot right in and produce at the same level immediately. while it may not be a full on rebuild there will be some retooling at least and probably some dip in production for a yr or 2.

Winnipeg has most of their picks (missing a couple 2nds) Connor and Elhers are still relatively young (key is to change culture so that they want to stay when their contracts end) They have some great pieces like Perfetti and lambert and Mcgroarty. I know less about their D prospects.

It seems like they should focus on almost ready prospects, high picks and players that can be dumped at the deadline for more pieces as returns for these guys. maybe an established goalie or high end goalie prospect in one of the deals.

I can see a little drop this year and maybe next then they should be back to where they have been.

Really think culture has to change, at what point does GM have to change?
 
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If the jets aren't interested in futures then I don't think anyone is going to get this trade right
While the Jets aren't looking for futures, they are looking for team control. That control likely won't come in the form of a long term contract due to the difficulties with no-trade clauses. That means they are primarily looking at early 20's NHL players who fit positional needs, which is primarily at C if they are looking at trading both Scheifele and PLD.

Without knowing what potential trade partners are involved it's difficult to predict the final trade, but it will almost certainly involve a 20-23 year old C with top 6 potential coming back.
 
Why would LA include Byfield? Is there any other team in on Helleybuck or Dubois offering a player similar? They do not need to bid against themselves here. Both guys on the Jets have openly stated they will not sign there and are leaving. Jets have little leverage and Dubois seems to be choosing his destination.
Blake will give a very nice return but if it really ends up being LA I think Jets fans should not expect Clarke or Byfield. Vilardi is a possibility if negotiations go south. He was involved in trade talks for Chychrun a couple years ago also.
Id hate to see Vilardi go as a Kings fan.
People acting like players such as Dubois or Hellebyuck aren’t pieces for teams to compete for are delusional. They are game changers.

The Jets are always out on good players. It’s no different. Teams looking to acquire them aren’t competing with the Jets. They are competing with other teams around the league.
 
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95% Montreal, 5% a random team that thinks he wouldn't do it a 3rd time.
It seems obvious at this point that Montreal doesn't really want him so he probably never plays there while current management is in place. Not really sad about this from a Jets perspective as the Habs don't really have any assets that interest me.
 
You can only OS with your own teams picks, can't use other teams picks you acquired.

I know, i was asking since when they don't have their own 2nd round pick? They still have their own picks this year.

edit: He was talking about 2024
 
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It seems obvious at this point that Montreal doesn't really want him so he probably never plays there while current management is in place. Not really sad about this from a Jets perspective as the Habs don't really have any assets that interest me.

How is it obvious? Where's the hurry anyway. I guess he won't be traded before the draft and PLD controls his own destiny somehow. He would accept a trade to another team but probably asking for 9m+ long term or settle for less if traded to Montreal.

As for the assets, every single team in the NHL has the assets for PLD.
 
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