LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Man as a habs fan I don't give a shit if dubs comes or not I just want him to go somewhere people are getting so emotional when posting in this thread and this includes the people saying they aren't getting emotional. The paragraphs being written is astonishing for people not being emotionally invested.

 

[Chose]

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No, I'm saying that your bias is clouding your judgement when it comes to Dach's value

Your second paragraph is interesting because it's EXACTLY what Habs fans have been doing with Dach in PLD threads.

I would have traded Dach for Dubois in a normal world. But now that he has requested a trade, has visibly his sights on Montreal, and he has only one year left before hitting UFA and leaving the Jets anyway, I wouldn't. Leverage was lost over time...

Why do they disagree ? They have the rights to do so. And yes, Fantilli has better upside than Dach as of now. And they need a franchise center more than anything. Might be a need thing. Lesser Dach plus a winger they don't need, as good as he may look like.

And they have the right to do so. As we have the right to value Dach & Beck as well as #5...
We'll all have our popcorn ready and see how actual GMs will handle this situation.

 

[Mersss]

You can't just make up a mediocre offer for LA as proof that your mediocre offer is more valuable.

For all you know, Byfield is on the table

Same Byfield who's got 32pts in 93 nhl game?

Entering his D+4 year?

 

[tbcwpg]

I'm not kidding. Habs fans have been clear with our intentions and Jets fans are blaming us for Dubois wanting out when you need to look at your GM for making that Laine/Rost risky move. Why is it the Habs fault that Dubois refused to sign and you went from Laine to thinking Vilardi, M Roy, and a pick is better?

Beck is not good right? I'm pretty sure if you had him in your system, you would like him just as much as we do. But because he was drafted by the Habs, he's a bust and overrated.

Vilardi, M Roy, and Kings 24 1st (protected)
vs
Beck, Panthers 23 1st (31st), and Dvorak.

Kings protentional offer is soooo much better right? Like it's not even close? Did I get that right?



I understand your tired of Habs fans but Dubois created this situation. If the situation was reversed and you had a guy that said he wants to come home, you would do the same.

Our offers have been more on the consistent side. We are interested but not desperate. If you feel the Kings offer more, good luck.

I think your read of Jets fans here is entirely off. No one blames Habs fans or Montreal for Dubois wanting out. Framing it as we're throwing a tantrum and lashing out because this guy wants to play somewhere else is evidence bulletin numero un as to why Jets fans are tired of some Habs fans arrogance and condescension on this topic.

It has nothing to do with Laine. The whole Vilardi talk is about him being at an age that fits with what the Jets are trying to do, in a position that is one of need, with many years of team control left. So way more value than Dvorak. The 2024 1st should be higher than 31st, so that's an improvement. Beck is clearly a better prospect than Roy is but is the gap between them worth taking a downgrade on the 1st and the roster player return? I don't think so.

The exhaustion here is that the offers have been consistent. How many times do we need to hear that the Panthers 1st, Dvorak and some prospect is the best the Habs are going to do? If a Manitoba player actually wanted to come back and play here, I don't think we'd spend a year plus low balling a team and insulting their view of their opinion of our prospects.

 

[Buffdog]

I would have traded Dach for Dubois in a normal world. But now that he has requested a trade, has visibly his sights on Montreal, and he has only one year left before hitting UFA and leaving the Jets anyway, I wouldn't. Leverage was lost over time...

Why do they disagree ? They have the rights to do so. And yes, Fantilli has better upside than Dach as of now. And they need a franchise center more than anything. Might be a need thing. Lesser Dach plus a winger they don't need, as good as he may look like.

Your first paragraph is flat out incorrect. There are multiple teams that PLD will be happy with according to the most recent reports.

So if that's the case, and chevy calls and says "hey we got a good deal from team x and we're gonna go with that but I'd like to circle back and give you the last right to refuse... dach for PLD straight up... take it or leave it..."

What do you say?

 

[Frank Drebin]

When are you gonna up it a notch?

You're paying 37th to get rid of Hoffman. Beck and 31for PLD doesn't cut it

31 Beck Barron and it's in the "offers to be considered" pile

Thanks for your consideration lmao

 

[Habs Halifax]

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No, I'm saying that your bias is clouding your judgement when it comes to Dach's value

Your second paragraph is interesting because it's EXACTLY what Habs fans have been doing with Dach in PLD threads.

It's not just Dach's value. It's Dach and the 5th OA. You don't have a good read on this situation bud and your just digging a deeper hole now.

Drop the Dach narrative. We have told you for months he is not available. Why do you keep bringing it up? To belittle our stance on who he is and who he might develop into? Seems to me you have a Habs/Dach hate going on.

How about you go tell the Kings they are insane if they don't offer Byfield for Dubois. Go ridicule them for saying Byfield is not on the table. .

Everyone, listen up. Buffdog says we must include Dach but also says Dach is overrated by the Habs.

 

[Huffer]

I'm not kidding. Habs fans have been clear with our intentions and Jets fans are blaming us for Dubois wanting out when you need to look at your GM for making that Laine/Rost risky move. Why is it the Habs fault that Dubois refused to sign and you went from Laine to thinking Vilardi, M Roy, and a pick is better?

Beck is not good right? I'm pretty sure if you had him in your system, you would like him just as much as we do. But because he was drafted by the Habs, he's a bust and overrated.

Vilardi, M Roy, and Kings 24 1st (protected)
vs
Beck, Panthers 23 1st (31st), and Dvorak.

Kings protentional offer is soooo much better right? Like it's not even close? Did I get that right?

No Jets fan is blaming anyone, including Habs fans for Dubois looking to be traded.

I've never said Beck wasn't good, in fact in other proposals I have been happy to get him.

Your comment was this, "You guys really don't like the Habs eh. The proof is there. The way some Jets fans treat Montreal is ignorance but I get it, you can't help yourselves."

You think it's really Jets fans doing this more than Habs fans? I don't see that at all and I bet neutral fans don't either. I see PLD getting denigrated at every turn even though he puts up the same amount of points as Suzuki. I see Winnipeg being denigrated at every turn, and the one time a non Jets fan made a comment on Montreal maybe not having the best nightlife, Habs fans lost their minds for pages. I've seen vitriol from Habs fans after the playoff series and Scheifele hitting Evans.

As for the 2 pretend offers, of course I would take the Kings one. Maybe Beck turns out as good or better, but Vilardi is also young, has proven he can play in the NHL, and could be a long term piece. The 2024 1st is almost 100% going to be higher than 31st, and Roy only has 1 year left on a cheaper deal so that contract hurts less than Dvorak's.

 

[slybel]

Just a what if... Habs OS him 7.5 for 1 year.

 

[Buffdog]

Same Byfield who's got 32pts in 93 nhl game?

Entering his D+4 year?

Dach had 33 in his first 84

 

[Habs Halifax]

No Jets fan is blaming anyone, including Habs fans for Dubois looking to be traded.

I've never said Beck wasn't good, in fact in other proposals I have been happy to get him.

Your comment was this, "You guys really don't like the Habs eh. The proof is there. The way some Jets fans treat Montreal is ignorance but I get it, you can't help yourselves."

You think it's really Jets fans doing this more than Habs fans? I don't see that at all and I bet neutral fans don't either. I see PLD getting denigrated at every turn even though he puts up the same amount of points as Suzuki. I see Winnipeg being denigrated at every turn, and the one time a non Jets fan made a comment on Montreal maybe not having the best nightlife, Habs fans lost their minds for pages. I've seen vitriol from Habs fans after the playoff series and Scheifele hitting Evans.

As for the 2 pretend offers, of course I would take the Kings one. Maybe Beck turns out as good or better, but Vilardi is also young, has proven he can play in the NHL, and could be a long term piece. The 2024 1st is almost 100% going to be higher than 31st, and Roy only has 1 year left on a cheaper deal so that contract hurts less than Dvorak's.

I guess the Jets fan base have differences in opinions just like the Habs fan base. Go figure he. Who would have know eh?

I really do think a lot of Jets fans are disgruntled with the Habs. Not all though... that has to be stated.

 

[Romang67]

Just a what if... Habs OS him 7.5 for 1 year.

How do you think that would go, given the thread title?

 

[Chose]

Your first paragraph is flat out incorrect. There are multiple teams that PLD will be happy with according to the most recent reports.

So if that's the case, and chevy calls and says "hey we got a good deal from team x and we're gonna go with that but I'd like to circle back and give you the last right to refuse... dach for PLD straight up... take it or leave it..."

What do you say?

Nobody knows what is actually flat out incorrect or bull's eyed. We are all speculating here. No recent report says that PLD will be to happy to sign with those "other" teams. That's incorrect. The agent only said they they are willing to explore the market while providing the Jets with a 6 teams list of teams he MIGHT be willing to sign to. No reports says he'd be happy to sign with LA, and no reports say that LA offered Villardi or Byfield... All speculations. But we do know that PLD would love to play for his hometown team, and that he will not sign with the Jets, not even for 1 year, and that he requested a trade, which bring his value down to Trouba-like returns...

 

[Frank Drebin]

Your first paragraph is flat out incorrect. There are multiple teams that PLD will be happy with according to the most recent reports.

So if that's the case, and chevy calls and says "hey we got a good deal from team x and we're gonna go with that but I'd like to circle back and give you the last right to refuse... dach for PLD straight up... take it or leave it..."

What do you say?

"Thanks, good luck."

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Not sure. Armstrong is a smart man, so if Montreal asks for their 2024 back he knows they gonna need it and would ask for the moon

Yeah... you might be the delusional one

 

[Habs Halifax]

Just a what if... Habs OS him 7.5 for 1 year.

Can't do that until July 1st. Possible but not sure it goes down like that. Dubois would also have to want to sign it.

Habs won't offer that because then it risks our 2024 1st which could be lottery again (even with Dubois).

If it gets to July 1st because the sign/trade didn't happen, I would see if Dubois would take $4.2M for one year with a hand shake deal on what the 8 year extention would be (kind of like KK). Compensation is only a 2nd then. Jets would match yeah? Sure, but then they couldn't trade him for a year which really screws them up.

I wonder how many teams steer clear if Brisson/Dubois are after 8x $9.5M. I like to believe the Habs say no thanks and many other teams as well.

If Brisson/Dubois are after a max deal, that could complicate things for the Jets. Sorry to say that guys

 

[Buffdog]

Nobody knows what is actually flat out incorrect or bull's eyed. We are all speculating here. No recent report says that PLD will be to happy to sign with those "other" teams. The agent only said they they are willing to explore the market while providing the Jets with a 6 teams list of teams he MIGHT be willing to sign to. No reports says he'd be happy to sign with LA, and no reports say that LA offered Villardi or Byfield... All speculations. But we do know that PLD would love to play for his hometown team, and that he will not sign with the Jets, not even for 1 year, and that he requested a trade, which bring he value down to Trouba-like returns...

Why would they give the Jets a 6 team list they would talk to?

And reports recently are that LA are the front runners. Given that chevy is on record saying it'll be a retool and like not a rebuild (plus the fact that LA doesn't have a 1st) means that their young NHL ready players at positions of need for the Jets must be in play. Speculating who that might be (even Jets fans say Clarke is untouchable), who do.you think LA is offering if not one of vilardi or Byfield?

 

[TS Quint]

I like both players. What teams are competing with the Kings? If Montreal isnt including Slafkovsky the Kings dont need to include Byfield. The Penguins, Oilers, Avalanche, Hurricanes need a goalie but dont have anyone near Byfield to trade. So it’s really a small number of teams with those types of assets like Ottawa and the Devils that could throw their hat in for a goalie.

Such a narrow minded view to attempt to make a point.

Teams aren’t getting these guys for free. What are you on?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

WPG fans are so butthurt they'd rather lose PLD for nothing than trade him to the Habs

 

[Do Make Say Think]

No Jets fan is blaming anyone, including Habs fans for Dubois looking to be traded.

I've never said Beck wasn't good, in fact in other proposals I have been happy to get him.

Your comment was this, "You guys really don't like the Habs eh. The proof is there. The way some Jets fans treat Montreal is ignorance but I get it, you can't help yourselves."

You think it's really Jets fans doing this more than Habs fans? I don't see that at all and I bet neutral fans don't either. I see PLD getting denigrated at every turn even though he puts up the same amount of points as Suzuki. I see Winnipeg being denigrated at every turn, and the one time a non Jets fan made a comment on Montreal maybe not having the best nightlife, Habs fans lost their minds for pages. I've seen vitriol from Habs fans after the playoff series and Scheifele hitting Evans.

As for the 2 pretend offers, of course I would take the Kings one. Maybe Beck turns out as good or better, but Vilardi is also young, has proven he can play in the NHL, and could be a long term piece. The 2024 1st is almost 100% going to be higher than 31st, and Roy only has 1 year left on a cheaper deal so that contract hurts less than Dvorak's.

A lot of Habs fans are very insecure for some reason.

I don't really get it.

 

[TS Quint]

They are 100% important pieces for teams that wants to compete but the guy you responded to is why. There will be no Byfield/Dach or similar level players included, not because these guys aren’t worth it but because it is possible to acquire them without giving them up.

History over the past 10 years has shown us that these kind of trades are usually packages and rarely will you see a highly skilled young center or defenseman under 22 who established himself as an NHL player and showed top line/top 6 potential move in those trades. It’s just the reality of it.

No one care about Dach. Stop listing him because you are upsetting Habs fans.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would they give the Jets a 6 team list they would talk to?

And reports recently are that LA are the front runners. Given that chevy is on record saying it'll be a retool and like not a rebuild (plus the fact that LA doesn't have a 1st) means that their young NHL ready players at positions of need for the Jets must be in play. Speculating who that might be (even Jets fans say Clarke is untouchable), who do.you think LA is offering if not one of vilardi or Byfield?

I'm glad that you now feel the Kings are front runners and you believe the gullible reports. It's about time another team gets into this Dubois talk eh?

 

[Mersss]

Dach had 33 in his first 84

So you are telling me he qas better DESPITE a terrible wrist injury (Byfield wasn't)

Cool... So considering Dach was worth a 13th OA in a terrible draft, Byfield is worth around what, 20-30 this year for a similar prospect to 13 last year?

 

[Chose]

Is that supposed to be a proof that he will be happy to sign with other teams ?
Brisson is an agent who works for his client, PLD, not for the Jets.
If you were an agent and your client wants to play for his home team, would you work your ass off to accomodate the team or work towards your client's aspirations ?

I mean, this seems like an act of courtesy. "Sure, we will provide a list of 6 teams you can look and try to come to something. But you know he wants to play with MTL..."