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I hope they think that way. Dach is staying.
Funny thing about you post is if he goes to any team but the Habs the turd will become a gem.
LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season
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Don't ask too many people in this thread for sane commentary
. Either Swayman or Ullmark would be great adds for Winnipeg with Hellebuyck leaving.Team elected arbitration still allows a player to sign an offer sheet up to July 5. I verified that in the CBA.
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Saw this in the trade forums…
Now, why would Montreal try to move up to #2? Presumably, it is to get a center.
Makes you think that perhaps Montreal is out of the Dubois derby. I wonder what Montreal would give up to move to #2? Dvorak, Kidney and a second rounder? Or is it Dach?
Wrong thread though
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I imagine that would get the Kings' attention enough to open the conversation of Byfield being included. No idea what they'd send back cap wise though.
You can only OS with your own teams picks, can't use other teams picks you acquired.
Why would LA include Byfield? Is there any other team in on Helleybuck or Dubois offering a player similar? They do not need to bid against themselves here. Both guys on the Jets have openly stated they will not sign there and are leaving. Jets have little leverage and Dubois seems to be choosing his destination.
Blake will give a very nice return but if it really ends up being LA I think Jets fans should not expect Clarke or Byfield. Vilardi is a possibility if negotiations go south. He was involved in trade talks for Chychrun a couple years ago also.
Id hate to see Vilardi go as a Kings fan.
From which team? Not Montreal...
So can Montreal stop with this bullshit, your second round pick is in Arizona, good luck getting that back..
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Another question: can an offer sheet have a lower AAV than what the player was paid in his last contract's final year? You cannot do it to your own team's RFAs that you have already qualified, but I couldn't find anything on offer sheets to other teams' players in the CBA or elsewhere.
Re-read the offer sheet rules. You don't offer sheet with 2023 draft picks.
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That’s my bad. I’m not even sure why I was thinking with the 2023 picks.
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Saw this in the trade forums…
Now, why would Montreal try to move up to #2? Presumably, it is to get a center.
Makes you think that perhaps Montreal is out of the Dubois derby. I wonder what Montreal would give up to move to #2? Dvorak, Kidney and a second rounder? Or is it Dach?
To get to number 2, I would include Dach. The center we will get at 2 >> Dach.
There's no way to know that. One can also say magic beans vs an actual NHL player that's starting to produce. For all we know Fantili can bust. There's no way of knowing that either. But hey, HF always speaks in absolutes.
How you gonna offer-sheet with a pick already used.......
Hint, Offer-sheets happen 1 July and the draft is before 1 July. Offer-sheets is with next season draftpick, and Montreal dont have a 2024 second round pick, Arizona has it...
Sorry for the snarky answear, but there is 1 hab fan who always writes about the 4.2 mil offer-sheet and still have not understood it cant happen..
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Fair statement on this one. I just dislike some of the efforts to devalue some of our prospects like Beck. I think you are underestimating him. You have to realize that there are clear attempts to devalue some Habs prospects. If you had Beck in your system, you would be valuing him like we are. I'd say 50% of the Habs fan base or more say no to trading Beck and we are not talking about young gullible fans entirely.
Vilardi looks like a 3C to me. You're hoping he becomes a 2C which is possible. Beck has not turned pro yet and I think his base is a 3C. He's already showed up fairly well as a 18 year old playing some preseason games and one NHL game.
But yeah, I get it. Vilardi has been in the NHL for a bit now and Jets want a NHL young body now vs one who takes one or 2 years. I'd be curious to see how that plays out.
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This won't get to the offer sheet stage, and if you think Dubois will just sign an OS for 4.2M next season, you aren't paying attention. He's looking for $9M and is open to a few teams, so he's not going to play for peanuts and risk a career-ending injury.
If there aren't teams willing to a sign and trade for any value to the Jets, then they still have the option of trading him to a team that would value him as a 1-year rental at a discount price (his qualifying offer is $6M, and if he goes through arbitration he'll likely get around $7-7.5M on a one-year deal). So, that's another trade option for the Jets.
Regardless, I'd bet that a trade happens within the next two weeks, before he could even sniff an offer sheet.
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I already answered that a couple of posts up above yours. And if the poster you’re talking about isn’t just making up a hypothetical scenario for debate, then you’re taking the bait. No chance Dubois is taking half of what he’d get in arbitration. That’s just silly.
I like Beck as a prospect, but if it's between Vilardi and Beck, I think the Jets would go with Vilardi who is still young and looking like an improving NHL C.
I think Vilardi and Dach are probably fairly close in value, at this point. So, if the Habs don't want to give up Dach and LA would trade Vilardi, I think that swings the pendulum towards LA.
Of course, that assumes that Dubois would sign with LAK, and that might not be the case. Right now, I would expect that there is a lot of brinksmanship between Dubois and his agent, the Jets, the Habs, and other interested teams. Dubois and his agent can give the Habs a contract discount to boost his value to them, but if they are still not willing to beat the trade offer from other teams, the Jets have no obligation to trade him to the Habs.
Well you can't know for sure, but if we are talking probabilities... yeah a physical, skilled center that is scoring like a future pt/gm+ player is in a different stratosphere than a guy who has shown encouraging signs of being a 50 point player
Wait so you would put Vilardi - Who’s a year and a half older than Dach and has had career threatening injuries early in his career - and had the same PPG as Dach over.. Dach on your list?
The hate for habs and their players on here is real. I’m sorry but in no universe would I take Vilardi over Dach right now.
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You would have said the same thing about Dach in his draft year. He was highly rated.
Are you saying 5th OA and Dach for 2? I pass on that one.
Not sure. Armstrong is a smart man, so if Montreal asks for their 2024 back he knows they gonna need it and would ask for the moon
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