Proposal: Dubois to Habs

[Heldig]

Saying he's tracking for 35-40 goals is no different than the used car salesman saying that the vehicle was owned by a little old lady who only drove it to church and the grocery store , it's called puffery . I hope you realize that the Habs got a first for taking Monahans expiring contract for no return , and dumped Webers contract for Dadonovs expiring deal , Drouin was a dud from the beginning but is also an expiring contract and Gallagher and Anderson will be contributors on the Habs roster for the foreseeable future so whatever point you were trying to make pales in comparison to the big picture .

Wait, what?

The first part is is weird. In discussing Dubois' value, Habs fans are talking him down as an ok 2C that is easily replaceable. Jets fans counter by saying he brings lots to the table as a high end 2C and - currently on pace for 35+ goals which would push him into 1st C territory. Puffery? It is no different than what Habs fans said / say for Suzuki and Caulfield.

The rest? I am not sure your point. I am guessing that you mean Monahan has very little trade value and Drouin even less. And that Gallagher and Anderson are NHL players with long term contracts that are hard to move. Is that the big picture?

 

[Hunter368]

What do you think his ask will be from the Habs as a free agent ? My guess - $8.5-9.5 mill. for seven years .

Bingo

I have used that exact range myself many times for what PLD will cost for his next big contract assuming its long term. I've seen some people post PLD will sign with the Habs for 7 million, no chance in hell PLD signs for 7 million with the Habs or anyone else, assuming its a 7-8 year term.

 

[Hunter368]

This is sound reasoning, the price is going to be high on PLD. Patience is key here. Hold the line.

Any team trading for PLD this summer is going to be expensive, PLD has proven for years he's a very good 2C and at this stage if given the 1C role he would likely post 1C numbers with decent linemates. So any trade this summer is going to cost some team (Habs or otherwise) more then many fans are going to like if it happened. PLD has stated he wants to test UFA, which might mean he signs with the Jets for huge UFA contract or any other team (Habs or otherwise). PLD has told teams basically just wait until I'm UFA and then give me your best offer........then we will see where he ends up.....Jets, Habs or some where else......what we do know is PLD will have many offers as a UFA and all will be for huge money.

 

[EK392000]

1. The Dubois wanting to go to MTL rumours were pure speculation by Montreal media. They claimed he was at the draft because he was expecting to get traded, and then Dubois had to clarify that he's attended past drafts, lives 15 minutes away from the Bell Centre and was invited to attend the draft by his bank. Montreal media also misinterpreted his agent's comments. It was asked whether PLD would want to play in the Montreal market, and the agent responded saying it may be a market he'd want to play in. It might be true that he wants to go to MTL but don't let Montreal media fool you into thinking that he's dying to go.

2. PLD wanting to go to MTL does not mean that MTL can lowball WPG. Some of these offers come across as charity. We'll give you a little something for your player that certainly wants to come here. An offer has to be made that Chevy can't refuse, and one has yet to be made in this thread. It is more valuable to hold onto PLD for 1.5 years than it is to lose him for nothing in free agency, considering how well the Jets are playing.

3. Even if he does hit free agency, I wouldn't be so sure he would sign in MTL if there are a bunch of suitors for him. If I grew up wanting to play in MTL but another team offered me $1m more every year of my contract to play for them, I would strongly consider it.

 

[Voight]

This is a case where I think the habs are better off waiting, Dubois will come home...let's take the least costly route.

It'lll be pretty costly via cap space. & theres no guarantee he would sign there.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

at this stage if given the 1C role he would likely post 1C numbers with decent linemates.

I just don't see this. I don't know where this line of thinking comes from.

He's played with Connor, Ehlers, Panarin, Atkinson, Anderson...he's played 18mins a night, gotten PP1 time...he's always paced between 50-60 points. Two years he's hit 60 itself.

Pretty similar paces to a guy like Nazem Kadri, and I think overall, he's a less skilled but better rounded version of Naz. I guess you could argue both guys could put up the rare 1C type of season (2022 for Naz...) but I think most teams would be dissapointed if they were the 1C guy.

This is also why I feel like it will be smart to deal him, as there aren't many really good teams out there paying 8m+ for a guy who you want to be be your 2nd best C.

 

[Colezuki]

Jets aren't trading Dubois until the Draft when it's clear he's going to sign for 1 year and then walk to FA. This is Trouba all over again.

At that point I could see the basis of a trade being

1st Rd Pick (We have 5 already over the next three years. Habs 1st in 23, 24 or 25, Flames 1st in 24/25, or Fla in 23)
Barron Former 1st round pick from 2020 in the AHL,
Kidney
Dvorak/Contract swap

For Dubois and a 2nd/3rd

Beyond that I'd say just wait until UFA and hope he comes on down for the Jets they may be able to get better but I'd doubt it.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

1. The Dubois wanting to go to MTL rumours were pure speculation by Montreal media. They claimed he was at the draft because he was expecting to get traded, and then Dubois had to clarify that he's attended past drafts, lives 15 minutes away from the Bell Centre and was invited to attend the draft by his bank. Montreal media also misinterpreted his agent's comments. It was asked whether PLD would want to play in the Montreal market, and the agent responded saying it may be a market he'd want to play in. It might be true that he wants to go to MTL but don't let Montreal media fool you into thinking that he's dying to go.

2. PLD wanting to go to MTL does not mean that MTL can lowball WPG. Some of these offers come across as charity. We'll give you a little something for your player that certainly wants to come here. An offer has to be made that Chevy can't refuse, and one has yet to be made in this thread. It is more valuable to hold onto PLD for 1.5 years than it is to lose him for nothing in free agency, considering how well the Jets are playing.

3. Even if he does hit free agency, I wouldn't be so sure he would sign in MTL if there are a bunch of suitors for him. If I grew up wanting to play in MTL but another team offered me $1m more every year of my contract to play for them, I would strongly consider it.

What's the difference, he will probably never spend all of those millions anyways. If his dream was to play for the Habs then we will find out in UFA. I'm sure the Habs would offer him what he's worth, he still has this season and next to prove that. If he signs somewhere other than Montreal it's not a problem for the Habs moving forward, they don't necessarily need him.

 

[habsfan44]

It'lll be pretty costly via cap space. & theres no guarantee he would sign there.

It will also be costly to trade for him which is why I think the habs should avoid him altogether and fill their second line center spot internally(Beck) or through the draft( 2 firsts in '23) . Trading for and/or signing Dubois would be a mistake IMO .

 

[Hunter368]

I just don't see this. I don't know where this line of thinking comes from.

He's played with Connor, Ehlers, Panarin, Atkinson, Anderson...he's played 18mins a night, gotten PP1 time...he's always paced between 50-60 points. Two years he's hit 60 itself.

Pretty similar paces to a guy like Nazem Kadri, and I think overall, he's a less skilled but better rounded version of Naz. I guess you could argue both guys could put up the rare 1C type of season (2022 for Naz...) but I think most teams would be dissapointed if they were the 1C guy.

This is also why I feel like it will be smart to deal him, as there aren't many really good teams out there paying 8m+ for a guy who you want to be be your 2nd best C.

Not all 1C look the same or produce 85+ points, some are more defensive, physical, etc. PLD is getting nothing but 2C time and chances with the Jets this year, if he got Mark's time & chances and linemates his numbers would be higher. As I stated he's a proven very good 2C and potential 1C in the right situation (not saying 90-100 pt guy of course). I could see PLD produce 75 points if given all the 1C luxuries (TOI, PP and linemates) that other guys playing 1C get and he brings all those other qualities those other 1C don't bring. This year he's played with Blake Wheeler and Cole, Mark plays with KC & Ehlers. PLD is also playing roughly 3.5 mins less per night then Mark.

 

[Hunter368]

Jets aren't trading Dubois until the Draft when it's clear he's going to sign for 1 year and then walk to FA. This is Trouba all over again.

At that point I could see the basis of a trade being

1st Rd Pick (We have 5 already over the next three years. Habs 1st in 23, 24 or 25, Flames 1st in 24/25, or Fla in 23)
Barron Former 1st round pick from 2020 in the AHL,
Kidney
Dvorak/Contract swap

For Dubois and a 2nd/3rd

Beyond that I'd say just wait until UFA and hope he comes on down for the Jets they may be able to get better but I'd doubt it.

Just to be clear, the Habs 2023 1st is dramatically higher value then all those other 1st's including the Habs 2024 especially if we assumed a trade of PLD to the Habs pre draft. Plus while Barron is a fine prospect, he's not a blue chipper and Jets don't really need D prospects, they have a huge backlog of D on the roster and prospects already for the NHL (roster/prospects Jets have 8-9 NHL D or NHL ready D). Teams have been calling the Jets for weeks now trying to pry some away from the Jets.

 

[ginovegas]

there's no rush to sign Dubois. WE aren't a playoff team and probably won't be for anotheer year or 2. Let his contract run out and if he really wants to come here we can work things out at that point, without giving up assets. A top 5 pick wold really at upcomig draft

 

[Colezuki]

Just to be clear, the Habs 2023 1st is dramatically higher value then all those other 1st's including the Habs 2024 especially if we assumed a trade of PLD to the Habs pre draft. Plus while Barron is a fine prospect, he's not a blue chipper and Jets don't really need D prospects, they have a huge backlog of D on the roster and prospects already for the NHL (roster/prospects Jets have 8-9 NHL D or NHL ready D). Teams have been calling the Jets for weeks now trying to pry some away from the Jets.

Well just to be clear the 2023 1st is likely not going anywhere either, and if you took Barron you could likely flip some of your other D prospects for other assets ( or barron for that matter)

 

[Hunter368]

Well just to be clear the 2023 1st is likely not going anywhere either,

I never said it was or wasn't, I was just pointing out when you said Habs have five 1st rd picks over the next X years........sure but one has much more value then the rest, especially if we assumed a PLD pre draft summer trade. 1st rd picks in the high 20's isn't much better then some 2nd rd picks (especially in weak or average drafts) when discussing trade values.

 

[Colezuki]

I never said it was or wasn't, I was just pointing out when you said Habs have five 1st rd picks over the next X years........sure but one has much more value then the rest, especially if we assumed a PLD pre draft summer trade. 1st rd picks in the high 20's isn't much better then some 2nd rd picks (especially in weak or average drafts) when discussing trade values.

Well I personally believe FLA's pick is going to be in the lottery ( like 14-16) so a deal could be made around the FLA pick assuming it doesn't win.

 

[Hunter368]

Well I personally believe FLA's pick is going to be in the lottery ( like 14-16) so a deal could be made around the FLA pick assuming it doesn't win.

I can't comment on the FL pick, I mean they could end up being a top 7-10 team or middle of the pack, hard to say at this early stage. Same can be said for Habs 2023, they might fall off their current pace or continue doing well so do they end up picking from 5OA to maybe 12-14OA. Hard to say this early in the season.

 

[Moose Head]

"We will just wait and get him for free."

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard that and it came true.

Pyjama boy

 

[habsfan44]

1. The Dubois wanting to go to MTL rumours were pure speculation by Montreal media. They claimed he was at the draft because he was expecting to get traded, and then Dubois had to clarify that he's attended past drafts, lives 15 minutes away from the Bell Centre and was invited to attend the draft by his bank. Montreal media also misinterpreted his agent's comments. It was asked whether PLD would want to play in the Montreal market, and the agent responded saying it may be a market he'd want to play in. It might be true that he wants to go to MTL but don't let Montreal media fool you into thinking that he's dying to go.

2. PLD wanting to go to MTL does not mean that MTL can lowball WPG. Some of these offers come across as charity. We'll give you a little something for your player that certainly wants to come here. An offer has to be made that Chevy can't refuse, and one has yet to be made in this thread. It is more valuable to hold onto PLD for 1.5 years than it is to lose him for nothing in free agency, considering how well the Jets are playing.

3. Even if he does hit free agency, I wouldn't be so sure he would sign in MTL if there are a bunch of suitors for him. If I grew up wanting to play in MTL but another team offered me $1m more every year of my contract to play for them, I would strongly consider it.

Excellent post !

 

[Voight]

It will also be costly to trade for him which is why I think the habs should avoid him altogether and fill their second line center spot internally(Beck) or through the draft( 2 firsts in '23) . Trading for and/or signing Dubois would be a mistake IMO .

They'd get an extra year on his deal bringing down the cap hit. They would also have him sooner and know if hes a fit or not.

 

[ottawa]

It'lll be pretty costly via cap space. & theres no guarantee he would sign there.

What makes you think his contract with us as a FA will likely be more costly than his trade + extension (buying the same amount of FA years - 1) with us.

 

[ole ole]

1. The Dubois wanting to go to MTL rumours were pure speculation by Montreal media. They claimed he was at the draft because he was expecting to get traded, and then Dubois had to clarify that he's attended past drafts, lives 15 minutes away from the Bell Centre and was invited to attend the draft by his bank. Montreal media also misinterpreted his agent's comments. It was asked whether PLD would want to play in the Montreal market, and the agent responded saying it may be a market he'd want to play in. It might be true that he wants to go to MTL but don't let Montreal media fool you into thinking that he's dying to go.

What to show us a link proving what your saying is true.
Links for,
1- pure speculation by Montreal media.
2-agent responded saying it may be a market he'd want to play in

 

[MXD]

A high first rounder isn't a reasonable price to pay for the year Pierre-Luc Dubois may play as a Hab in 31-32 when he'll be, what, 33 years old?

 

[EK392000]

What to show us a link proving what your saying is true.
Links for,
1- pure speculation by Montreal media.
2-agent responded saying it may be a market he'd want to play in

Dubois denies making trade request, says Montreal comments 'blown out of proportion'

Pierre-Luc Dubois says he never asked the Winnipeg Jets for a trade and comments that he wants to play in Montreal were blown out of proportion.

www.google.com

 

[junyab]

The comments that PLD is a "60 pt guy" and somehow associating that to an average center and nothing elite is pure hilarity. PLD is an EXCELLENT center. But MTL isn't offering anything unless PLD arrives with a long term contact - which isn't in his cards ATM. It;s obvious that he'll take 1 year contacts and prove his value this year and next. This thread is dumb and should be closed. There's nothing here, except for armchair HockeyDB stat experts.

 

[HabsAddict]

No. Just no.

Habs don't need to win and can afford to wait two years.

He's going to cost 8x7 and that's fine.

All else is cheap talk....