Proposal: Dubois to Habs

[Ruthervin]

Assuming that Dubois to the Habs is not set in stone (nor does PLD necessarily want to only be in Montreal), then I'm wondering if JT Miller for Pierre Lucic Dubois would "behoove" both the Jets and Canucks.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

And we'll trade him to a contender for more than what's being offered by OP before he goes UFA. We're not giving you guys a sweetheart deal because he might want to play for the Habs. Feel free to try to wait it out, there's no guarantee that the Habs are the only team he wants to go to and a year and a half is a long time for him to agree to sign elsewhere.

Habs are in no rush. In a year and a half, PLD will get his shot at a life long dream to join the Habs. Habs will get a team friendly deal. Winnipeg will still be mosquito infested.

The End

 

[Adam da bomb]

Assuming that Dubois to the Habs is not set in stone (nor does PLD necessarily want to only be in Montreal), then I'm wondering if JT Miller for Pierre Lucic Dubois would "behoove" both the Jets and Canucks.

I would hope not. The Jets if they Can’t resign Helly and Schief they may have to go with a youth movement. Miller blocks that.

Habs are in no rush. In a year and a half, PLD will get his shot at a life long dream to join the Habs. Habs will get a team friendly deal. Winnipeg will still be mosquito infested.

The End

does his life long dream of being a hab outweigh his lifelong dream of winning a cup?

 

[HuGo Sham]

I agree we will see how it all ends, I highly suspect this summer it gets resolved. But I’m glad you listened to my explanation of my logic and my offer compared to your offer aren’t that far apart…..one B level prospect different (not including Beck). My offer wasn’t meant as a crazy demand or troll post and from your response while the ask is high you seem to agree it’s not without logic or crazy unreasonable. Again I think many have underestimated the Habs this year and they are surprising some people/teams. I’ll be curious how Habs handle this TDL, I mean they will dump some bad or expiring guys if they can for picks, but I suspect they keep guys signed longer term like Anderson, Dvorak, etc bc they are no longer a bottom 5 team.

you raise good points and it will be fascinating to see how it all plays out. Personally I don't know where all the noise about PLD wanting to play in Montreal comes from. Yes media insiders and fans have talked about it, yes his agent let it spill but none of this is guaranteed. I know he lives here and his GF is from here.

You''re right about the habs; they're overachieving but it doesn't seem sustainable - certainly not vs the upper tier teams, and that's where fans fears come in about ending up in no man's land for the best draft in maybe 15 years.

That being said, many pieces have grown quickly and an excellent foundation is in place. Gorton was on a podcast on monday and was adamant that Dach was a C. So that's the million dollar question. Do they leave him on the 1st line as a playmaking winger, or eventually move Slafkovsky there and make Dach the 2C? If that's the case, Hughes will play hardball for PLD and may just take his chance and wait.

Habs needs one more excellent draft and I think they'll be close. Don't discount Beck, he's been great in the OHL and may make Evans and Dvorak expendable. Habs will have lots of pieces to sell at the TDL

 

[Hunter368]

Would the original trade be better if we added a player, like let say, Anderson aka a good/useful player to help the team now?
Or if we added picks?
Or instead of two of Roy/Kidney/Barron, that we upgrade that to of choice of either Mesar or Beck?

What would be more palatable?

IMO there is a trade possible yes, meaning the Habs have the pieces they could make it work but would/will they is the question.

You ask 10 Jets fans and you will likely get 10 combos each likes and none are exactly the same. I mean the value of Habs 1st from 2023 vs 2024 (with further development by Habs players plus PLD for a full year) is dramatically different values. If this trade happened this summer, Habs with another year development & PLd are very possibly a playoff team. Heck Habs are 2 points out of wild card now and with a game in hand. So that 2024 pick has a lot less value then the 2023 pick.

 

[Hunter368]

you raise good points and it will be fascinating to see how it all plays out. Personally I don't know where all the noise about PLD wanting to play in Montreal comes from. Yes media insiders and fans have talked about it, yes his agent let it spill but none of this is guaranteed. I know he lives here and his GF is from here.

You''re right about the habs; they're overachieving but it doesn't seem sustainable - certainly not vs the upper tier teams, and that's where fans fears come in about ending up in no man's land for the best draft in maybe 15 years.

That being said, many pieces have grown quickly and an excellent foundation is in place. Gorton was on a podcast on monday and was adamant that Dach was a C. So that's the million dollar question. Do they leave him on the 1st line as a playmaking winger, or eventually move Slafkovsky there and make Dach the 2C? If that's the case, Hughes will play hardball for PLD and may just take his chance and wait.

Habs needs one more excellent draft and I think they'll be close. Don't discount Beck, he's been great in the OHL and may make Evans and Dvorak expendable. Habs will have lots of pieces to sell at the TDL

Absolutely they have more pieces to trade for more futures. It’s interesting to see how Dach turns out, as a winger or centre…….so far it looks like a winger but that’s not uncommon with young players playing wing before developing into a centre at the NHL level. If Dach develops into a good 2C then it makes PLD a moot subject or Habs just wait till UFA and see what his contract demands are then let him and Dach battle it out at centre and the loser plays wing. If Dach appears to be a lock in the future at centre it might turn PLD off from the Habs bc he has stated he prefers playing centre. Time will tell

 

[Snowman]

Would the original trade be better if we added a player, like let say, Anderson aka a good/useful player to help the team now?
Or if we added picks?
Or instead of two of Roy/Kidney/Barron, that we upgrade that to of choice of either Mesar or Beck?

What would be more palatable?

Anderson is a long term cap dump, so no he doesn't help.

 

[TS Quint]

Easy pass on the last offer.
Actually we should have no interest in trading our 1st especially if it isn't top 10 protected.

Protect it all you want. It's not like it's going to be much better the next year

 

[featherhawk]

the jets are not going to trade PLD at this point unless they get top return and I don't see that happening at this point.

 

[habsfan44]

MTL would be making a big mistake adding Dubois unless he signs at a value that reflects what he actually is - a uni-dimensional 60ish point scorer. MTL has good youth coming up... if adding Dubois means they have to move one of them, they will regret doing so. Good player but nothing special.

Agreed ! and let's not forget he was a malcontent in Columbus and is currently a malcontent in Winnipeg and the Habs are expected to bend over backwards to acquire this guy by a lot of fans ? To be honest I don't think he is even on Gorton/Hughes radar and I certainly don't see them giving up valuable assets to acquire him mainly because he doesn't fit the profile of the types of players that management is trying to build this team around .

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Agreed ! and let's not forget he was a malcontent in Columbus and is currently a malcontent in Winnipeg and the Habs are expected to bend over backwards to acquire this guy by a lot of fans ? To be honest I don't think he is even on Gorton/Hughes radar and I certainly don't see them giving up valuable assets to acquire him mainly because he doesn't fit the profile of the types of players that management is trying to build this team around .

100%. He is good enough that he’s worth a look, but HE should be the one bending over backwards if he really wants to be a Hab. Take less money, don’t impose yourself within the room, basically act like every other guy. Not sure if he has it in him to not act & feel like the star, though.

 

[Heldig]

Assuming that Dubois to the Habs is not set in stone (nor does PLD necessarily want to only be in Montreal), then I'm wondering if JT Miller for Pierre Lucic Dubois would "behoove" both the Jets and Canucks.

No, the Jets would not be behooved. Dubois is 5 years younger, just entering his prime. Elias Pettersson would be a better match.

 

[Dirby Kach]

This makes zero sense.

How so?
Guy is going to hit UFA after next season.
He is either going to come or he isn't. What is to understand?
I don't have to give up assets now to get him. If he wants to come that bad as reported he will come.

 

[jfhabs]

A 10th really isn’t much if mtl was ready to compete I mean most guys drafted then are nothing special.
But they aren’t ready to compete so why give up a highish pick. How do Beck and Roy slate in as prospects are they in your top 10?
When do draft picks number 42 make a difference?

When is the last time a player was traded for that much!? And how did it turn out?

Beck definately top 5 for me with all the graduates. Roy probably around 10 depending on how you like his games. Extremely talented but has junior flaws to work on.

No, that’s for a signed PLD plus year of his cheap contract. PLD returns at next years TDL a 1st, 2nd and B level prospect (roughly). My post was a trade for next summer so you get him for the entire year so I added a B level prospect.

Well that first likely comes from a playoff team ar the TDL. Both the 1st and the second would be 15 rank lower than ours. Beck is not a B prospect, Roy is a B+ maybe. If he comes with an extension what's the price tag because that will affect is overall value...

 

[Bouboumaster]

Anderson is a long term cap dump, so no he doesn't help.

If we were to trade (we're not trading him), it would be for 1st +

 

[Hunter368]

When is the last time a player was traded for that much!? And how did it turn out?

Beck definately top 5 for me with all the graduates. Roy probably around 10 depending on how you like his games. Extremely talented but has junior flaws to work on.


Well that first likely comes from a playoff team ar the TDL. Both the 1st and the second would be 15 rank lower than ours. Beck is not a B prospect, Roy is a B+ maybe. If he comes with an extension what's the price tag because that will affect is overall value...

Habs are currently 2 points out of the wild card position with a game in hand…….Habs aren’t some bottom 5 team this year, they likely draft in the 10-12 range IMO. People underestimated how good the Habs would be this year

 

[jfhabs]

So Chariot a UFA rental #5 D is worth a 1st, 4th and a ok prospect……but a very good 2C one year cheap contract and agreed to an extension isn’t worth a 1st, 2nd and two ok prospects?

Not all 1st and 2nd are equal. Not all prospects are equal...

 

[Hunter368]

Habs are currently 2 points out of the wild card position with a game in hand…….Habs aren’t some bottom 5 team this year, they likely draft in the 10-12 range IMO. People underestimated how good the Habs would be this year

Not all 1st and 2nd are equal. Not all prospects are equal...

I know, not all TDL players traded are equal either.

 

[jfhabs]

Habs are currently 2 points out of the wild card position with a game in hand…….Habs aren’t some bottom 5 team this year, they likely draft in the 10-12 range IMO. People underestimated how good the Habs would be this year

Well that's pretty much what I said at 10th + 42nd .... + Beck + Roy.
When is the last time a player got that much and how did it turn out?

This year the prospect at 10 wouldve been top 5 last year. Beck is looking like this year Wyatt Johnson. Your value is way off imo

I know, not all TDL players traded are equal either.

Well you made that allusion not me wtf

 

[Hunter368]

Well that's pretty much what I said at 10th + 42nd .... + Beck + Roy.
When is the last time a player got that much and how did it turn out?

This year the prospect at 10 wouldve been top 5 last year. Beck is looking like this year Wyatt Johnson. Your value is way off imo


Well you made that allusion not me wtf

When was the last time you saw a very good proven young 2C with clear 1C potential get traded with a year on his cheap contract left and agreed to an extension.

 

[Atoyot]

Habs are in no rush. In a year and a half, PLD will get his shot at a life long dream to join the Habs. Habs will get a team friendly deal. Winnipeg will still be mosquito infested.

The End

Neither are the Jets. Year and a half is a long time, if a team like Colorado comes along and makes an offer contingent on Dubois extending long term do you think he says no because of his supposed life long dream to join the Habs? If he makes it to UFA and Montreal still isn't a playoff team do you think he turns down an offer from a contender?

Not sure why you're resorting to childish quips about Winnipeg. Doesn't really have anything to do with what's being discussed.

 

[pth2]

I could imagine the Habs moving Dvorak and FLO's 1st at 2023 draft, maybe along with a lesser asset or two, for Dubois after some discussions about a contract extension.

 

[Guy Larose]

Oh look, another Dubois to Habs thread...haven't seen one of these in a while......

 

[Aphid]

I've never seen anything especially intriguing about Dubois and when you consider the draft status and the hype he has been somewhat of a disappointment . Montreal should aim higher than a passable second line center who happens to be QC born . Of course a lot can change over the next two years and the kid finally plays up to his potential but as of right now the Habs should steer clear .

As a Jets fan I agree with this.

He is a perfectly fine player but he's nothing amazing. If he ever does play there, I'm not sure what Montreal fans think they will be getting in him. It's nice to have him on the team but I wouldn't miss him too much at the moment if he wasn't there anymore with what the potential return on him would be. I ultimately think other teams will be a little bit disappointed with what they get back if they trade for him.

 

[pth2]

Anderson is a long term cap dump, so no he doesn't help.

He might not be an asset WPG wants, but he's far from being a cap dump. Calling him that just shows you don't know hockey.