Proposal: Dubois to Habs

[Hunter368]

In fairness, I'm pretty sure he'd get an equivalent contract, even a longer one, as a UFA.

Possible, but we also all know GM's often make dumb moves especially with UFA's b/c often those GM's who give those dumb contracts out are under pressure to keep their jobs and make results happen in the short term.....aka they care about the next 1-3 years, not years 4-8. That doesn't make those contracts good or defendable.

 

[jfhabs]

Eichel example isn't close to a comparable, that situation was toxic by the time he was traded and I mean toxic. Sabers just needed to dump him and get him out of that organization and they've done well considering.

Duchene is at least a closer example.

Still no one has argued the fact that a player like PLD traded at the TDL next year is going to return a mid to late 1st (Habs likely are a mid ranged pick at 10-12 OA), B Level prospect (multi listed as examples, you focused on one of them only Beck ok through Beck out of example) and a mid round pick/prospect. This is a given without any retention by the Jets (depending on the team he's traded to retention is a real possibility). So thats all if he's traded at the TDL next year (ie over a year from now), now the example the one poster & I were talking about when you jumped into the conversation at the end of it was a trade happening during this summer pre draft and how does that effect the return......sure isn't going to lessen the return its only going to increase the only question is by how much.

You're valuation is still off.
A late first from a playoff team wanting to load up isn't the same as a pick 10-12th in a crazy good draft year. Probably takes 2 late first to move up to 10th.

It will increase the return, but not as much as you suggested. I can't think of a player of similar caliber returning that much. I think the deal of O'Reilly to Buffalo might be the best example. O'Reilly was 24 at the time with 1 year remaining on his contract. He was acruired for a struggling prospect in Grigorenko, a low upside defender but still a good piece at the time in Zadorov, Compher a B prospect at the time and the 31st selection in the draft. None of the pieces are as good as a 10th pick(not very close) in the next draft or Beck (Zadorov is close) imo. I'd argue Roy + 2nd is similar to Compĥer + 2nd.

 

[Hunter368]

You're valuation is still off.
A late first from a playoff team wanting to load up isn't the same as a pick 10-12th in a crazy good draft year. Probably takes 2 late first to move up to 10th.

It will increase the return, but not as much as you suggested. I can't think of a player of similar caliber returning that much. I think the deal of O'Reilly to Buffalo might be the best example. O'Reilly was 24 at the time with 1 year remaining on his contract. He was acruired for a struggling prospect in Grigorenko, a low upside defender but still a good piece at the time in Zadorov, Compher a B prospect at the time and the 31st selection in the draft. None of the pieces are as good as a 10th pick(not very close) in the next draft or Beck (Zadorov is close) imo. I'd argue Roy + 2nd is similar to Compĥer + 2nd.

Ok lets discuss, you think I'm valuing it too high, I'm saying your valuing it too low. Not sure if there is a way to fill that gap and thats likely why no trade has happened by the actual teams.

Let me guess you're going to say:
FL 1st, Dvorak and some B/C level prospect this summer? Which is not far off what Chariot returned. Dvorak isn't exactly lighting it up this year, even with new coach, no competition for usage, 16:03 TOI & 1:19 PPtime, he's looking like his career norms, won't even bring up his 3 goals came in one game, otherwise he would have a total of 3 points (assists) going into the 3rd week of Nov, getting paid 4.5 mil per year.

Reminder Ben freaking Chariot, a #5D returned the FL 1st, 4th and C level prospect and he was rental at the TDL. Don't tell me Chariot only returned this bc FL GM was desperate, you think there won't be desperate GM's next year at the TDL looking to protect their jobs and shoot for one more long playoff push.

So please tell me what you think is a reasonable offer considering PLD is light years more valuable than Chariot, plus assuming he's traded this summer and not at next years TDL (team gets him for a full year on a cheap one year deal before the new deal kicks in, not a few weeks), plus we were saying PLD comes with a verbal agreement on a new contract so there is no contract risk to the Habs. Keep in mind Jets can trade him to ANY team this summer (even as a rental) or at next years TDL, plus Chevy can give PLD agent access to all teams to consider any teams contract, not just Habs offer. PLD desire to play for the Habs will be tested big time once American teams start placing offers with his agent, American teams often have warm beaches & lower taxes, pretty sure Habs don't want any bidding war to happen. Another option is Habs simply place no offer on PLD this summer or next TDL and purely hope PLD ends up a Habs once he becomes a UFA, but I suspect that won't happen once American teams offers start flowing in.

 

[Huffer]

Ok lets discuss, you think I'm valuing it too high, I'm saying your valuing it too low. Not sure if there is a way to fill that gap and thats likely why no trade has happened by the actual teams.

Let me guess you're going to say:
FL 1st, Dvorak and some B/C level prospect this summer? Which is not far off what Chariot returned. Dvorak isn't exactly lighting it up this year, even with new coach, no competition for usage, 16:03 TOI & 1:19 PPtime, he's looking like his career norms, won't even bring up his 3 goals came in one game, otherwise he would have a total of 3 points (assists) going into the 3rd week of Nov, getting paid 4.5 mil per year.

Reminder Ben freaking Chariot, a #5D returned the FL 1st, 4th and C level prospect and he was rental at the TDL.

So please tell me what you think is a reasonable offer considering PLD is light years more valuable than Chariot, plus assuming he's traded this summer and not at next years TDL (team gets him for a full year on a cheap one year deal before the new deal kicks in, not a few weeks), plus we were saying PLD comes with a verbal agreement on a new contract so there is no contract risk to the Habs. Keep in mind Jets can trade him to ANY team this summer (even as a rental) or at next years TDL, plus Chevy can give PLD agent access to all teams to consider any teams contract, not just Habs offer. PLD desire to play for the Habs will be tested big time once American teams start placing offers with his agent, American teams often have warm beaches & lower taxes, pretty sure Habs don't want any bidding war to happen. Another option is Habs simply place no offer on PLD this summer or next TDL and purely hope PLD ends up a Habs once he becomes a UFA, but I suspect that won't happen once American teams offers start flowing in.

Respect to your effort in this thread, but it's funny how Monahan is now supposedly worth a 1st+, Edmonson is now a 1st++, the Jets supposedly have to offer Lambert, Heinola, and Gustofsson for a signed Horvat, but PLD is somehow worth scraps.

 

[HuGort]

You're valuation is still off.
A late first from a playoff team wanting to load up isn't the same as a pick 10-12th in a crazy good draft year. Probably takes 2 late first to move up to 10th.

It will increase the return, but not as much as you suggested. I can't think of a player of similar caliber returning that much. I think the deal of O'Reilly to Buffalo might be the best example. O'Reilly was 24 at the time with 1 year remaining on his contract. He was acruired for a struggling prospect in Grigorenko, a low upside defender but still a good piece at the time in Zadorov, Compher a B prospect at the time and the 31st selection in the draft. None of the pieces are as good as a 10th pick(not very close) in the next draft or Beck (Zadorov is close) imo. I'd argue Roy + 2nd is similar to Compĥer + 2nd.

If we have 13th pick in draft would you give that for Dubois? Same as we gave up for Dach

 

[Hunter368]

Respect to your effort in this thread, but it's funny how Monahan is now supposedly worth a 1st+, Edmonson is now a 1st++, the Jets supposedly have to offer Lambert, Heinola, and Gustofsson for a signed Horvat, but PLD is somehow worth scraps.

Edm likely will return a late first, but again he's a Chariot type of player......not even remotely as valuable as PLD. Monahan I won't even go there. I would give that up for Bo, it was actually my suggestion/idea yesterday. I guess not everyone believes in trying to give fair or reasonable values in trade talks.

 

[Hunter368]

If we have 13th pick in draft would you give that for Dubois? Same as we gave up for Dach

Its not really have anything to do with what some random poster thinks, its what Habs GM and other GM's would give up and have given up in comparable situations historically.

Chariot #5D gets FL 1st, 4th and C level prospect
Ed from Habs likely will return a similar amount as Chariot

So how is PLD returning a FL 1st, Dvorak (questionable value) and C level prospect when PLD has a full year on a cheap deal left, not a few weeks and comes with a verbal agreement on a contract?

 

[SlafySZN]

No

Don’t need or want him.

 

[jfhabs]

If we have 13th pick in draft would you give that for Dubois? Same as we gave up for Dach

With a reasonable extension in place. Instantly.

 

[jfhabs]

Respect to your effort in this thread, but it's funny how Monahan is now supposedly worth a 1st+, Edmonson is now a 1st++, the Jets supposedly have to offer Lambert, Heinola, and Gustofsson for a signed Horvat, but PLD is somehow worth scraps.

PLD and Horvat have similar value. If you cant get Horvat for Lambert, Heinola and Gustaffson while flipping PLD to us for FL 1st, 2nd + 2 x B prospect you did very good IMO

Most habs fans are saying Edmundson is worth a 1st IF proven healthy, not 1st++. Most don't think Monahan gets a 1st at all.

 

[jfhabs]

Ok lets discuss, you think I'm valuing it too high, I'm saying your valuing it too low. Not sure if there is a way to fill that gap and thats likely why no trade has happened by the actual teams.

Let me guess you're going to say:
FL 1st, Dvorak and some B/C level prospect this summer? Which is not far off what Chariot returned. Dvorak isn't exactly lighting it up this year, even with new coach, no competition for usage, 16:03 TOI & 1:19 PPtime, he's looking like his career norms, won't even bring up his 3 goals came in one game, otherwise he would have a total of 3 points (assists) going into the 3rd week of Nov, getting paid 4.5 mil per year.

Reminder Ben freaking Chariot, a #5D returned the FL 1st, 4th and C level prospect and he was rental at the TDL. Don't tell me Chariot only returned this bc FL GM was desperate, you think there won't be desperate GM's next year at the TDL looking to protect their jobs and shoot for one more long playoff push.

So please tell me what you think is a reasonable offer considering PLD is light years more valuable than Chariot, plus assuming he's traded this summer and not at next years TDL (team gets him for a full year on a cheap one year deal before the new deal kicks in, not a few weeks), plus we were saying PLD comes with a verbal agreement on a new contract so there is no contract risk to the Habs. Keep in mind Jets can trade him to ANY team this summer (even as a rental) or at next years TDL, plus Chevy can give PLD agent access to all teams to consider any teams contract, not just Habs offer. PLD desire to play for the Habs will be tested big time once American teams start placing offers with his agent, American teams often have warm beaches & lower taxes, pretty sure Habs don't want any bidding war to happen. Another option is Habs simply place no offer on PLD this summer or next TDL and purely hope PLD ends up a Habs once he becomes a UFA, but I suspect that won't happen once American teams offers start flowing in.

I think your premise is wrong. Chiarot wasn't seen as only a 5th dman by Florida. There's also a huge gap between what you asked for and what we got for a 50% retained Chiarot. You're asking for almost twice the value coming back. PLD is obviously a much better player. I'd peraonnally keep Dvorak and salavage whatever we can for Monahan at the TDL.

I'd say FL 1st + 2024 2nd + 2 X B prospects (Roy, Kidney, Struble, Ylonen, Tuch, Norlinder, etc).

I might also do FL 1st + Barron + 3rd but I'm not as high on him as many in our fan base.

Assuming Florida made the playoffs and the pick is 20+

 

[TS Quint]

I think Florida stupidly paying a 1st for Chiarot has chia-rotted the Hab fans brains when it comes to play evaluations. They are expecting 1sts+ for Monahan, Edmundson, Evans and now Dvorak lol. All while getting pumped nightly.

And placing the same value of those players on Dubois. Its just not a real conversation when it starts with Chariot at the TDL=Dubois for 1.5 years.

 

[FerrisRox]

So here's a template of a trade; pieces could be added or taken out if needed.

Montreal get:

- Pierre-Luc Dubois


Winnipeg get:

- 2024 1st (top 5 or 10 protected)
- Monahan or Evans
- Two choices between Roy/Barron/Kidney



Why Montreal do this:

Slafkovsky - PLD - Anderson is sexy AF as a 2nd line. Our team is young, our prospect bank is full and we're having a bunch of picks yet again this year. We can spend some.



Why Winnipeg do this:

Dubois made it pretty clear that he wants out. If Winnipeg hold on to him for too long, they'll get nothing. This is a chance to get something.
Monahan/Evans is a band-aid, both are 3rd line center (Monahan can play on 2nd but ideally he's on 3rd line duty).
A 1st is always nice
Roy, Barron and Kidney are solid prospects.

This is absolutely terrible for the Jets and they would quite obviously receive better offers should they decide to trade Dubois.

 

[Hunter368]

I think your premise is wrong. Chiarot wasn't seen as only a 5th dman by Florida. There's also a huge gap between what you asked for and what we got for a 50% retained Chiarot. You're asking for almost twice the value coming back. PLD is obviously a much better player. I'd peraonnally keep Dvorak and salavage whatever we can for Monahan at the TDL.

I'd say FL 1st + 2024 2nd + 2 X B prospects (Roy, Kidney, Struble, Ylonen, Tuch, Norlinder, etc).

I might also do FL 1st + Barron + 3rd but I'm not as high on him as many in our fan base.

Assuming Florida made the playoffs and the pick is 20+

Literally no one thought Chariot was a 1-3 D, on his best day he's a #4D and most of the time he's a #5D, heck even TSN Insiders were calling him a #4/5D at the time, but you think the FL GM thought he was a top pairing D or something? No chance he thought Chariot was some second coming of Weber.

Chariot was traded with 50% retained, you think PLD can't be traded with 50% retained to any of the many bidders as a rental (one year rental or TDL rental)?

Your right PLD is much more valuable than Chariot & PLD should return considerable more even if traded at next years TDL, nevermind this summer.

You weren't specific in your post of when this trade would happen, I suggested this summer so I will assume that was what your thinking also, so:

Chariot returned at the TDL as a rental FL 1st, 4th & C level prospect

You're suggesting if PLD is traded during the summer with one year on a cheap deal (potentially 50% retained) plus verbal agreement on a new contract the only thing PLD brings back more than Chariot (who was traded at the TDL) is instead of a 4th & C level prospect, PLD would bring back two B level prospects (even though some of the ones you listed IMO are C level but whatever I won't get into that) & 2nd rd pick? Lets for the sake of this evaluation say the 4th & C level prospect are worth roughly one of those B level prospects just spit balling.

So that means you're saying PLD returns potentially 50% retained traded this summer to (any of the teams in the NHL even as a rental for one year) on a super cheap one year deal and verbal agreement on a long term deal to the Habs only returns one B level prospect & 2nd rd pick more than Ben "Freaking" Chariot did at the TDL

You honestly think that? Be honest, do you really think that? Neither of us have any influence over the value of what PLD actually gets traded at, I (as do other posters in this thread) just want to know for future reference do you actually believe what you're saying above? PLD 50% retained, with verbal agreement traded this summer (not at the TDL) is only worth a 2nd rd pick & one B level prospect more than what Chariot got at the TDL? Be honest

 

[Habs Halifax]

Respect to your effort in this thread, but it's funny how Monahan is now supposedly worth a 1st+, Edmonson is now a 1st++, the Jets supposedly have to offer Lambert, Heinola, and Gustofsson for a signed Horvat, but PLD is somehow worth scraps.

Monahan could be worth a late 1st at the deadline (not today). He's off to a good rebound year now that he is healthy but Habs will have to wait it out till the deadline to get the best return. Centers are worth a lot and he brings value in faceoffs and physicality/size area for playoff run. That should draw some interest for teams looking to improve their 3C spot. Monahan could return a late 1st or two 2nds.

Eddy is worth a bit. Will he get the Savard and Chiarot returns? Maybe but once again, it's likely at the deadline. He's a legit top 4D who can play both sides and is very mobile for a stay at home physical type and it's for two playoff runs, not just one. Habs can consider retention to make the contract very attractive to cap hell teams.

Jets are not trading Dubois in 2022. Jets will play out this season and see where they are at the deadline. Dubois is a tricky situation cause they rather not let him walk and get nothing in return. When is the right time to trade him? Not sure but it's not today. Maybe this deadline or next summer.

 

[Hunter368]

Monahan could be worth a late 1st at the deadline (not today). He's off to a good rebound year now that he is healthy but Habs will have to wait it out till the deadline to get the best return. Centers are worth a lot and he brings value in faceoffs and physicality/size area for playoff run. That should draw some interest for teams looking to improve their 3C spot. Monahan could return a late 1st or two 2nds.

Eddy is worth a bit. Will he get the Savard and Chiarot returns? Maybe but once again, it's likely at the deadline. He's a legit top 4D who can play both sides and is very mobile for a stay at home physical type and it's for two playoff runs, not just one. Habs can consider retention to make the contract very attractive to cap hell teams.

Jets are not trading Dubois in 2022. Jets will play out this season and see where they are at the deadline. Dubois is a tricky situation cause they rather not let him walk and get nothing in return. When is the right time to trade him? Not sure but it's not today. Maybe this deadline or next summer.

I agree with your comments, big physical centers are worth a lot......to most, but not all in this thread apparently.

I'm curious what the Habs do with some of their vets, Im sure expiring contracts or dumps will be traded at the TDL, but the Habs are better this year then many thought they would be so I suspect vets with term will be kept examples, Dvorak.

Jets are currently one of the top teams in the NHL, PLD is a big part of that, your right he won't be traded during this season. But chevy won't take this into next season I suspect, same as Trouba, PLD will be traded this summer IMO to the highest bidder (likely a eastern team) he won't walk for free. Jets aren't a FA designation hot spot, no Canadian teams are TBH and the Jets live & die on draft & develop so PLD will be traded if he won't sign here long term. Traded to who? When? Return? Will be interesting to see.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I agree with your comments, big physical centers are worth a lot......to most, but not all in this thread apparently.

I'm curious what the Habs do with some of their vets, Im sure expiring contracts or dumps will be traded at the TDL, but the Habs are better this year then many thought they would be so I suspect vets with term will be kept examples, Dvorak.

Jets are currently one of the top teams in the NHL, PLD is a big part of that, your right he won't be traded during this season. But chevy won't take this into next season I suspect, same as Trouba, PLD will be traded this summer IMO to the highest bidder (likely a eastern team) he won't walk for free. Jets aren't a FA designation hot spot, no Canadian teams are TBH and the Jets live & die on draft & develop so PLD will be traded if he won't sign here long term. Traded to who? When? Return? Will be interesting to see.

If Monahan has a consistent rebound season, he will draw a lot of interest. We agree there. Big if on how he looks come the deadline. Still lots of hockey left to play

Habs and our new management likely stay the course even if we are in the bubble playoff group at the deadline. They are very aware of Bergevin's long term vision flaws and I think they avoid making short term moves that affect long term gains. If they change the course and buy at the deadline where they trade 2nd rounders or even one of our 1st's, Montreal media and fans will quickly turn on them.

Jets have been playing well. New coach and they have better team D approach in front of your very good goalie. 2.36 goals/game allowed is 2nd in the NHL behind the Bruins. Impressive!

I don't see the Jets trading Dubois this season if they continue to play this way.

 

[Hunter368]

If Monahan has a consistent rebound season, he will draw a lot of interest. We agree there. Big if on how he looks come the deadline. Still lots of hockey left to play

Habs and our new management likely stay the course even if we are in the bubble playoff group at the deadline. They are very aware of Bergevin's long term vision flaws and I think they avoid making short term moves that affect long term gains. If they change the course and buy at the deadline where they trade 2nd rounders or even one of our 1st's, Montreal media and fans will quickly turn on them.

Jets have been playing well. New coach and they have better team D approach in front of your very good goalie. 2.36 goals/game allowed is 2nd in the NHL behind the Bruins. Impressive!

I don't see the Jets trading Dubois this season if they continue to play this way.

I would be shocked if the Habs are buyers at the TDL, I assume they will be soft sellers, meaning expiring contracts on vets and any cap dumps they can get even a tiny bit of value for could be traded otherwise they hold onto more productive contracts who add value. Habs are well on their way to rebuilding, next stage progress might slow some but all teams go through that.

 

[jfhabs]

Literally no one thought Chariot was a 1-3 D, on his best day he's a #4D and most of the time he's a #5D, heck even TSN Insiders were calling him a #4/5D at the time, but you think the FL GM thought he was a top pairing D or something? No chance he thought Chariot was some second coming of Weber.

Chariot was traded with 50% retained, you think PLD can't be traded with 50% retained to any of the many bidders as a rental (one year rental or TDL rental)?

Your right PLD is much more valuable than Chariot & PLD should return considerable more even if traded at next years TDL, nevermind this summer.

You weren't specific in your post of when this trade would happen, I suggested this summer so I will assume that was what your thinking also, so:

Chariot returned at the TDL as a rental FL 1st, 4th & C level prospect

You're suggesting if PLD is traded during the summer with one year on a cheap deal (potentially 50% retained) plus verbal agreement on a new contract the only thing PLD brings back more than Chariot (who was traded at the TDL) is instead of a 4th & C level prospect, PLD would bring back two B level prospects (even though some of the ones you listed IMO are C level but whatever I won't get into that) & 2nd rd pick? Lets for the sake of this evaluation say the 4th & C level prospect are worth roughly one of those B level prospects just spit balling.

So that means you're saying PLD returns potentially 50% retained traded this summer to (any of the teams in the NHL even as a rental for one year) on a super cheap one year deal and verbal agreement on a long term deal to the Habs only returns one B level prospect & 2nd rd pick more than Ben "Freaking" Chariot did at the TDL

You honestly think that? Be honest, do you really think that? Neither of us have any influence over the value of what PLD actually gets traded at, I (as do other posters in this thread) just want to know for future reference do you actually believe what you're saying above? PLD 50% retained, with verbal agreement traded this summer (not at the TDL) is only worth a 2nd rd pick & one B level prospect more than what Chariot got at the TDL? Be honest

I don't know why you are putting words in my mouth and moving the goal posts. I'm trying to have a conversation, not win an argument. I never said Chiarot was a 1st pairing or the second coming of Weber, come on now... this is absurd.

However Florida probably felt like he was more of a #4 then a #5 and there's significant gap between the 2. Even tho they'd play him on the 3rd pair, it's also a policy insurance. If you don't like Chiarot, that's fine. But look at the contract and the minutes he's playing on Detroit right now... perhaps that opinion is not shared by professional GMs/coaches. He isn't the same player he was on the Jets FYI.

Again, never mentioned Jets wouldn't retain 50%, but you're initial offer was for a full cap PLD and that's what I used... obv retaining will open the market for him as a rental.

I wouldn't trade Roy or Kidney for 4th + Smilanic.

That's the offer I'd make. Maybe you get more, but I doubt it will be what you were suggesting.
I think I'm offering close to double what we got for Chiarot, one offer in the form of quantity and one in the form of quality (Barron).

 

[Hunter368]

I don't know why you are putting words in my mouth and moving the goal posts. I'm trying to have a conversation, not win an argument. I never said Chiarot was a 1st pairing or the second coming of Weber, come on now... this is absurd.

However Florida probably felt like he was more of a #4 then a #5 and there's significant gap between the 2. Even tho they'd play him on the 3rd pair, it's also a policy insurance. If you don't like Chiarot, that's fine. But look at the contract and the minutes he's playing on Detroit right now... perhaps that opinion is not shared by professional GMs/coaches. He isn't the same player he was on the Jets FYI.

Again, never mentioned Jets wouldn't retain 50%, but you're initial offer was for a full cap PLD and that's what I used... obv retaining will open the market for him as a rental.

I wouldn't trade Roy or Kidney for 4th + Smilanic.

That's the offer I'd make. Maybe you get more, but I doubt it will be what you were suggesting.
I think I'm offering close to double what we got for Chiarot, one offer in the form of quantity and one in the form of quality (Barron).

I'm not arguing about anything, I'm asking you to explain your logic and basically you're saying above you can't explain it but you're sticking to your opinion. That's fine, I just wanted to confirm that's what you believe, that the difference between Chariot traded at the TDL vs PLD traded during this summer is only a B Level prospect & 2rd pick. Got it thx

No moving goal posts were done, you brought up Chariot 50% retained (in one of your posts) and i agreed thats true and I simply said ok we will use the same assumption with PLD no reason why he can't be 50% retained on also (in one of my posts), we're having an ongoing conversation. You brought up a point and I agreed and used the same assumption. Instead of adjusting your offer like most would you're sticking to your guns above. Ok

Jets don't need more D prospects, Barron isn't needed. Its been well covered by the media Jets have 8-9 NHL level D players/prospects and a huge backlog and teams are calling them to hopefully get some of those D players/prospects. Last thing the Jets need is more D players or prospects. Jets have the 2nd best GAA in the NHL and the best GAA in the NHL since Oct 30th. Shocking what real coaching does for a team, players have all bought into the new systems are rocking it.

Never once did I say absolutely PLD will return "x", I've said, explained why and used historical examples why I think it will be approximately "x" or certainly why it will be significantly more than Chariot return. What PLD will actually return no one knows, but I will say this if PLD (50% retained) returns close to what Chariot returned and he's traded this summer (not at the TDL like Chariot) than Chevy needs to be fired before the ink on the deal is dry b/c he did a horrible job trading a very valuable asset.

 

[bernmeister]

Eichel, Duchene,

Anderson might be overpaid as a 20g-20a power forwards, but 2-2.5M for that type of player!?! What year is this??? He's easily worth 4M and cap will soon start going up.

He's worth ballpark 5-ish imo BUT THAT IS NOW. His term is a real thing and that presses interest down on a current buy.
To get a buyer now, mindful that there is term which you have to either pay or buy out, more than max retention is needed. If he were finishing his deal around 30,31, that would mitigate things a bit. But he will be older

 

[Stickpucker]

Winnipeg is 2nd in the central I don't see this happening.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I don’t understand the logic of Jets fans suggesting yhe Habs trade for him rather than wait 1.5 years. If PLD wants to be a longterm Hab he will be when he becomes a ifa. If he doesn’t then he will sign elsewhere. Those outcomes do not change by trading for him now.

Habs will be patient. Trading for PLD during a rebuilding phase and risking losing him when he becomes a ufa is idiotic.

 

[Heldig]

I've never seen anything especially intriguing about Dubois and when you consider the draft status and the hype he has been somewhat of a disappointment . Montreal should aim higher than a passable second line center who happens to be QC born . Of course a lot can change over the next two years and the kid finally plays up to his potential but as of right now the Habs should steer clear .

This is hilarious.

A "passable" second line C. He is a borderline 1C (70 point pace this season which would rank him around 21st for scoring as a C last year). He is big and tough and plays a heavy game in the paint and along the boards. Very few centres in the league match him that way. He is 6th in scoring in his draft class. How is that a disappointment?

If we have 13th pick in draft would you give that for Dubois? Same as we gave up for Dach

Of course not. Dubois is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more accomplished than Dach at this stage of their careers.

 

[junyab]

Ok lets discuss, you think I'm valuing it too high, I'm saying your valuing it too low. Not sure if there is a way to fill that gap and thats likely why no trade has happened by the actual teams.

Ya, a trade hasn't happened because 2 guys from the internet can't agree on value.

I don’t understand the logic of Jets fans suggesting yhe Habs trade for him rather than wait 1.5 years. If PLD wants to be a longterm Hab he will be when he becomes a ifa. If he doesn’t then he will sign elsewhere. Those outcomes do not change by trading for him now.

Habs will be patient. Trading for PLD during a rebuilding phase and risking losing him when he becomes a ufa is idiotic.

This is why.

Along with the fact that the Jets want to keep him. Nothing to do with a difference in valuations.