Proposal: Dubois to Habs

[Hunter368]

I have been pretty specific and you even acknowledged your comprehension in a previous post, without providing your specific counter offer. And you fail to do it again.

After agreeing to two pieces of my proposal, what would you propose to fix it ?

You still haven't answered on the timing of the trade, this summer of at next years TDL......that matters in the value. Obviously getting him for the entire season increases his value, how much is debatable.

You offered:

PLD

for

FL 1st rd pick
Habs 2nd rd pick
Roy



I offer during the summer pre-draft:

PLD (Chevy gives access to PLD agent to eliminate any contract concerns to the Habs), PLD has one more year of team control on his cheap contract, before any new deal kicks in
2023 Jets 1st (Jets aren't as good as they currently are in the standings)
2023 Jets 4th
2023 Rangers 5th rd pick

for

2023 Habs 1st (top 3 protected, Habs aren't as bad as some expected them to be)
2023 Habs 2nd
Roy
Dvorak (2 years team control)
Evans (2 years team control)

or

PLD (Chevy lets Habs discuss contract pre-draft), PLD has one more year on a cheap control before any new deal kicks in.
2023 Rangers 5th

for

2023 Habs 1st
2023 Habs 2nd
Roy
Beck

 

[ottawa]

This is a case where I think the habs are better off waiting, Dubois will come home...let's take the least costly route.

 

[jfhabs]

I'd sooner trade PLD to Vancouver for a signed Horvat than that package.

No shit

 

[jfhabs]

You still haven't answered on the timing of the trade, this summer of at next years TDL......that matters in the value. Obviously getting him for the entire season increases his value, how much is debatable.

You offered:

PLD

for

FL 1st rd pick
Habs 2nd rd pick
Roy



I offer during the summer pre-draft:

PLD (Chevy gives access to PLD agent to eliminate any contract concerns to the Habs), PLD has one more year of team control on his cheap contract, before any new deal kicks in
2023 Jets 1st (Jets aren't as good as they currently are in the standings)
2023 Jets 4th
2023 Rangers 5th rd pick

for

2023 Habs 1st (top 3 protected, Habs aren't as bad as some expected them to be)
2023 Habs 2nd
Roy
Dvorak (2 years team control)
Evans (2 years team control)

or

PLD (Chevy lets Habs discuss contract pre-draft), PLD has one more year on a cheap control before any new deal kicks in.
2023 Rangers 5th

for

2023 Habs 1st
2023 Habs 2nd
Roy
Beck

That's a lot for Dubois and I like him.

Let's assume the Habs pick is 10th.
Thats 10th, 42nd, Beck and Roy for 1 year of Dubois?

 

[ole ole]

You still haven't answered on the timing of the trade, this summer of at next years TDL......that matters in the value. Obviously getting him for the entire season increases his value, how much is debatable.

You offered:

PLD

for

FL 1st rd pick
Habs 2nd rd pick
Roy



I offer during the summer pre-draft:

PLD (Chevy gives access to PLD agent to eliminate any contract concerns to the Habs), PLD has one more year of team control on his cheap contract, before any new deal kicks in
2023 Jets 1st (Jets aren't as good as they currently are in the standings)
2023 Jets 4th
2023 Rangers 5th rd pick

for

2023 Habs 1st (top 3 protected, Habs aren't as bad as some expected them to be)
2023 Habs 2nd
Roy
Dvorak (2 years team control)
Evans (2 years team control)

or

PLD (Chevy lets Habs discuss contract pre-draft), PLD has one more year on a cheap control before any new deal kicks in.
2023 Rangers 5th

for

2023 Habs 1st
2023 Habs 2nd
Roy
Beck

Easy pass on the last offer.
Actually we should have no interest in trading our 1st especially if it isn't top 10 protected.

 

[HuGo Sham]

You still haven't answered on the timing of the trade, this summer of at next years TDL......that matters in the value. Obviously getting him for the entire season increases his value, how much is debatable.

You offered:

PLD

for

FL 1st rd pick
Habs 2nd rd pick
Roy



I offer during the summer pre-draft:

PLD (Chevy gives access to PLD agent to eliminate any contract concerns to the Habs), PLD has one more year of team control on his cheap contract, before any new deal kicks in
2023 Jets 1st (Jets aren't as good as they currently are in the standings)
2023 Jets 4th
2023 Rangers 5th rd pick

for

2023 Habs 1st (top 3 protected, Habs aren't as bad as some expected them to be)
2023 Habs 2nd
Roy
Dvorak (2 years team control)
Evans (2 years team control)

or

PLD (Chevy lets Habs discuss contract pre-draft), PLD has one more year on a cheap control before any new deal kicks in.
2023 Rangers 5th

for

2023 Habs 1st
2023 Habs 2nd
Roy
Beck

Holy shit, talk about bending the habs over. A 1st and 2nd in 2023 + two C's on affordable contracts? lol
That last one which includes habs 1st and beck is also particularly atrocious.
I speak on behalf of most habs fans, that if this the payment:
no thank you. No PLD or we'll take our chances if he ever hits UFA

That's a lot for Dubois and I like him.

Let's assume the Habs pick is 10th.
Thats 10th, 42nd, Beck and Roy for 1 year of Dubois?

that's f***ing nuts. Move along, nothing to see here

 

[Hunter368]

That's a lot for Dubois and I like him.

Let's assume the Habs pick is 10th.
Thats 10th, 42nd, Beck and Roy for 1 year of Dubois?

No, that’s for a signed PLD plus year of his cheap contract. PLD returns at next years TDL a 1st, 2nd and B level prospect (roughly). My post was a trade for next summer so you get him for the entire year so I added a B level prospect.

 

[Atoyot]

We will probably talk to Dubois directly after he leaves Winnipeg. No rush…

And we'll trade him to a contender for more than what's being offered by OP before he goes UFA. We're not giving you guys a sweetheart deal because he might want to play for the Habs. Feel free to try to wait it out, there's no guarantee that the Habs are the only team he wants to go to and a year and a half is a long time for him to agree to sign elsewhere.

 

[Hunter368]

Holy shit, talk about bending the habs over. A 1st and 2nd in 2023 + two C's on affordable contracts? lol
That last one which includes habs 1st and beck is also particularly atrocious.
I speak on behalf of most habs fans, that if this the payment:
no thank you. No PLD or we'll take our chances if he ever hits UFA


that's f***ing nuts. Move along, nothing to see here

So Chariot a UFA rental #5 D is worth a 1st, 4th and a ok prospect……but a very good 2C one year cheap contract and agreed to an extension isn’t worth a 1st, 2nd and two ok prospects?

 

[Legend123]

Not giving up a protected first for Dubois alone lol. What a bad idea. What if we suck that season and are forced to defer the pick, unprotected, to 2025. There's no guarantee we will be better in 2026 vs 2025. We could be losing a top 5 pick for Dubois.

 

[Canadienna]

So Chariot a UFA rental #5 D is worth a 1st, 4th and a ok prospect……but a very good 2C one year cheap contract and agreed to an extension isn’t worth a 1st, 2nd and two ok prospects?

You're equating FLA's 1st in 2023 with MTL's 1st in 2023? Also equating "ok prospects" Beck and Roy with Smilanic?

Do you think they hold similar value?

 

[Hunter368]

You're equating FLA's 1st in 2023 with MTL's 1st in 2023? Also equating "ok prospects" Beck and Roy with Smilanic?

Do you think they hold similar value?

No I don’t, but let’s not act like Beck or Roy are A level prospects, both are B level prospects (Smilanic is a C level prospect). Let’s not call Chariot is equal to PLD who comes with one year cheap deal plus agreed to contract.

 

[Adam da bomb]

That's a lot for Dubois and I like him.

Let's assume the Habs pick is 10th.
Thats 10th, 42nd, Beck and Roy for 1 year of Dubois?

A 10th really isn’t much if mtl was ready to compete I mean most guys drafted then are nothing special.
But they aren’t ready to compete so why give up a highish pick. How do Beck and Roy slate in as prospects are they in your top 10?
When do draft picks number 42 make a difference?

 

[Buffdog]

Tavares

And that contract f***ed the Laffs long term

If Dach continues to develop, there may be no need for the Habs to break the bank on PLD. Interest could be one sided.

 

[Kennedys]

The question is why the Habs want to trade for Dubois at the moment ?

 

[Hunter368]

The question is why the Habs want to trade for Dubois at the moment ?

Most of the posts aren’t suggesting a trade for PLD now (virtually all agreed no chance the Jets trade him during the season when their are one of the top teams in the NHL) , this summer is more being discussed. But your point is still a fair point regarding the summer, some fans will say just wait till UFA in 1.5 years and hope he’s willing to come to the Habs. Of course many other teams will make PLD very attractive offers this summer and once he becomes a UFA so who knows if PLD will ever end up a Hab.

 

[HuGo Sham]

So Chariot a UFA rental #5 D is worth a 1st, 4th and a ok prospect……but a very good 2C one year cheap contract and agreed to an extension isn’t worth a 1st, 2nd and two ok prospects?

Florida was desperate. Hughes isn't desperate; Chevy on the other hand, may be slightly more desperate as he knows, he needs to make the playoffs and risks losing guys like PLD and Schiefele in a year or two.

No imo, he isn't worth a potential lottery pick and a high 2nd in a generational draft.
And to refer to Beck in particular as an ok prospect, shows you know nothing about him. He was a steal at 33.

Bottom line is Habs are not rushing out to trade ridiculous packages for PLD with Suzuki, Dach, Monahan, Dvorak and Evan around with guys like Mesar and Beck + whoever they draft next summer with their 2 firsts.

A 10th really isn’t much if mtl was ready to compete I mean most guys drafted then are nothing special.
But they aren’t ready to compete so why give up a highish pick. How do Beck and Roy slate in as prospects are they in your top 10?
When do draft picks number 42 make a difference?

Beck is probably habs best forward prospect and a C. Jets aren't getting him for PLD, let alone throwing in 1sts. I love how suddenly 10th overall isn't much in a generational draft lol

 

[Hunter368]

Florida was desperate. Hughes isn't desperate; Chevy on the other hand, may be slightly more desperate as he knows, he needs to make the playoffs and risks losing guys like PLD and Schiefele in a year or two.

No imo, he isn't worth a potential lottery pick and a high 2nd in a generational draft.
And to refer to Beck in particular as an ok prospect, shows you know nothing about him. He was a steal at 33.

Bottom line is Habs are not rushing out to trade ridiculous packages for PLD with Suzuki, Dach, Monahan, Dvorak and Evan around with guys like Mesar and Beck + whoever they draft next summer with their 2 firsts.

I’m not advocating the Habs do it, a Habs fan made an offer of FL 1st, Habs 2nd and Roy……I said no that’s a weak offer even at next years TDL. He asked me to counter it, so I did with a summer trade not a TDL offer.

Next years TDL PLD could easily return at mid to late 1st, B prospect and mid round pick/C level prospect, even more if the Jets retain and more if retained and traded during the summer.

Habs 1st assuming they pick 10th to 12th, I think many have underestimated how good the Habs will be this year. Plus 2nd and two B level prospects. Beck is far from a A level prospect, he’s good sure but he’s no lock or blue chipper is what I mean. Again I’m not advocating Habs do it, I’m using past trades at the TDL as a base, then extrapolating if Jets retain and trade during the summer what it might be roughly.

People assuming the Habs are a bottom 3 team IMO are underestimating the Habs this year……IMO. If they were that bad I would agree it would be too much but I think they will pick 10th to 12th OA.

 

[TS Quint]

Ok, wishing you luck ! We will wait then, we don't need him now. We will take the chance to wait 1.5y.
We will not knock your socks off in this situation.

LMAO, you act like this is now or nothing and that it's between me and you. That's not reality. This is just a message board.

I dont even know what you are trying to get out of this conversation when your attitude is "we don't need him". So you are going to pay full freight for something you dont need? You see how dumb This conversation is? I'm in agreement with you, the Habs don't need him and by the time Dubois is on his way out (IF THAT IS THE CASE) the Habs have a pretty good chance of having that 2nd top 6 center spot filled. If they don't have it filled then the Habs will have to come with the best offer.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

So here's a template of a trade; pieces could be added or taken out if needed.

Montreal get:

- Pierre-Luc Dubois


Winnipeg get:

- 2024 1st (top 5 or 10 protected)
- Monahan or Evans
- Two choices between Roy/Barron/Kidney



Why Montreal do this:

Slafkovsky - PLD - Anderson is sexy AF as a 2nd line. Our team is young, our prospect bank is full and we're having a bunch of picks yet again this year. We can spend some.



Why Winnipeg do this:

Dubois made it pretty clear that he wants out. If Winnipeg hold on to him for too long, they'll get nothing. This is a chance to get something.
Monahan/Evans is a band-aid, both are 3rd line center (Monahan can play on 2nd but ideally he's on 3rd line duty).
A 1st is always nice
Roy, Barron and Kidney are solid prospects.

As a non-aligned fan that's a really bad deal for Winnipeg. Really bad.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I’m not advocating the Habs do it, a Habs fan made an offer of FL 1st, Habs 2nd and Roy……I said no that’s a weak offer even at next years TDL. He asked me to counter it, so I did with a summer trade not a TDL offer.

Next years TDL PLD could easily return at mid to late 1st, B prospect and mid round pick/C level prospect, even more if the Jets retain and more if retained and traded during the summer.

Habs 1st assuming they pick 10th to 12th, I think many have underestimated how good the Habs will be this year. Plus 2nd and two B level prospects. Beck is far from a A level prospect, he’s good sure but he’s no lock or blue chipper is what I mean. Again I’m not advocating Habs do it, I’m using past trades at the TDL as a base, then extrapolating if Jets retain and trade during the summer what it might be roughly.

People assuming the Habs are a bottom 3 team IMO are underestimating the Habs this year……IMO. If they were that bad I would agree it would be too much but I think they will pick 10th to 12th OA.

I hear you, I just find it's a lot. Even with a signed PLD. the 1st and 2nd + an upgrade o roy - not named Beck is as far i'd go to - and would seem to be refused.

The initial rumour was Fla 1st, Dvorak and Harris. Jets wanted Guhle and of course, hughes balked at that. The way Harris is playing, I assume he is now off the table too.

We'll see how this all plays out

 

[Hunter368]

As a non-aligned fan that's a really bad deal for Winnipeg. Really bad.

Habs protected 1st, top 5 protected
Two of the three prospects he listed
These things are good starts, but where his offer died was offering Evans or Monahan, Monahan is a freaking UFA so it’s a moot subject bc a trade wouldn’t happen till the summer and Evans is a 3W or 4C on the Jets which is very little value. Had he listed a better player then those two then he might have had a decent or realistic offer.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Would the original trade be better if we added a player, like let say, Anderson aka a good/useful player to help the team now?
Or if we added picks?
Or instead of two of Roy/Kidney/Barron, that we upgrade that to of choice of either Mesar or Beck?

What would be more palatable?

 

[WG]

No, that’s for a signed PLD plus year of his cheap contract. PLD returns at next years TDL a 1st, 2nd and B level prospect (roughly). My post was a trade for next summer so you get him for the entire year so I added a B level prospect.

Then trade him to a contending team, you get pick #23, #55 and a B prospect. Your ask is (likely) 10-12 OV plus the extras. Too much.

 

[Hunter368]

I hear you, I just find it's a lot. Even with a signed PLD. the 1st and 2nd + an upgrade o roy - not named Beck is as far i'd go to - and would seem to be refused.

The initial rumour was Fla 1st, Dvorak and Harris. Jets wanted Guhle and of course, hughes balked at that. The way Harris is playing, I assume he is now off the table too.

We'll see how this all plays out

I agree we will see how it all ends, I highly suspect this summer it gets resolved. But I’m glad you listened to my explanation of my logic and my offer compared to your offer aren’t that far apart…..one B level prospect different (not including Beck). My offer wasn’t meant as a crazy demand or troll post and from your response while the ask is high you seem to agree it’s not without logic or crazy unreasonable. Again I think many have underestimated the Habs this year and they are surprising some people/teams. I’ll be curious how Habs handle this TDL, I mean they will dump some bad or expiring guys if they can for picks, but I suspect they keep guys signed longer term like Anderson, Dvorak, etc bc they are no longer a bottom 5 team.