Confirmed with Link: Dubas the new GM - TSN

[Kiwi]

I argued and debated that if it was between Hunter/Dubas, Shanahan would name a GM prior to the draft. His done that. I wasn't invested in either Hunter or Dubas, so I'm open minded overall with this choice. He has a clean slate as a GM, lets see how Kyle does.

He has lots of work ahead of him, hopefully he kicks ass.

With me

Congratulations, I tip my hat to you sir

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Whoa... Dubas is firing Babcock? What did I miss? Why are we talking about this?

People keep arguing about hypothetical situations.

 

[The CyNick]

Whoa... Dubas is firing Babcock? What did I miss? Why are we talking about this?

Someone brought it up in reference to Dubas looking to work with what he has here. My point was just Dubas doesnt have the stroke to fire Babcock. But Babcock does have the stroke to fire Dubas.

It's a moot point, nobody is when thinking of talking about changing the coach. Would be interesting to see if anything changes 3 years from now if we haven't got out of the first round.

 

[AllDay28]

Cosby is a great player but to call him the goat is so far from the true. His owner is better than him. Never mind Orr, Gretzky, Howe, Harvey. I put him around the Bobby Hull level.

Not one person you mentioned is better than Crosby tho. You clearly just dont get it and thats whatever. I looked through your posts and we agree on a lot of stuff so we'll just agree to disagree. Crosby is physically a superior athlete than any of the players u mentioned before him. They simply did not have the sports education they do now. I dont care about goons cause they wouldnt be able to keep up with Crosby. He would just be better at every aspect of the game because he is evolutionarily better. Just like no one is on McDavids level. Evolution. Its really that simple.

People live in the past because they were the pioneers. The quicker you accept that after McDavid there will be someone else, and after him, and after him, the easier it is to let go.

 

[Peasy]

Don't know about that. Never played the game, has never led a department that acquires talent at an NHL level, no scouting background.

It's funny the only thing you ever hear about him is that Shanny was impressed by him. But then Shanny has no track record of success either, so I guess they fit together. Hopefully it all works out.

He was a scout for the Greyhounds at the age of 17...

You do realize he has been responsible for the research and development of the Leafs, as well as player development. Those Marlies coming up from the Leafs? Yeah he had a big hand in helping develop those players.

Your bias is ridiculous.

I also like how you changed your stance from "Never led a department" at all, to at the NHL level. Just further proves that youre full of it.

 

[ULF_55]

the retread. like retread, or brand new person - that shouldn't be the focus.
if Pittsburgh thought that way they wouldn't get Rutherford (who everyone thought was junk and living off the Carolina cup, ironically 10 years prior) - but then ripped off two cups in 3 years.

you simply need to get a person who is a fit for your organization.

I kind of agree and kind of disagree.

I would not want a retread but I would be fine with an older GM who isn't a retread.

Looking around McPhee is a retread, but has apparently not falling behind the times.

So I'll rephrase, I have no interest in bringing in some GM who is stuck in the past, with archaic ideas.

 

[diceman934]

Not one person you mentioned is better than Crosby tho. You clearly just dont get it and thats whatever. I looked through your posts and we agree on a lot of stuff so we'll just agree to disagree. Crosby is physically a superior athlete than any of the players u mentioned before him. They simply did not have the sports education they do now. I dont care about goons cause they wouldnt be able to keep up with Crosby. He would just be better at every aspect of the game because he is evolutionarily better. Just like no one is on McDavids level. Evolution. Its really that simple.

People live in the past because they were the pioneers. The quicker you accept that after McDavid there will be someone else, and after him, and after him, the easier it is to let go.

Lol you are a kid who did not watch the players I mentioned. Crosby would be in the top 10 of all time for sure but not in the top 4 and most likely in the top 6.

Pioneers plesse measuring a player from another era is really not that difficult. When the great one won scoring titles he did so by huge margins not so for Crosby. Or Orr as a Defenseman winning the scoring championship. One last thing Gretzky has more career assists then any player has had points in their career. Crosby or Mcdavid will never get as many points as Gretzky has assists.

Orr gets my vote as the best ever.

 

[Liminality]

Don't know about that. Never played the game, has never led a department that acquires talent at an NHL level, no scouting background.

It's funny the only thing you ever hear about him is that Shanny was impressed by him. But then Shanny has no track record of success either, so I guess they fit together. Hopefully it all works out.

I still think the idea that a GM has to be an NHL player is overrated and doesn't make a person a better GM.

Also, what? He was a scout before he was the Greyhounds GM. He was also an agent that was certified by the NHLPA. He's done a lot of stuff even though he's so young.

 

[saltming]

Not one person you mentioned is better than Crosby tho. You clearly just dont get it and thats whatever. I looked through your posts and we agree on a lot of stuff so we'll just agree to disagree. Crosby is physically a superior athlete than any of the players u mentioned before him. They simply did not have the sports education they do now. I dont care about goons cause they wouldnt be able to keep up with Crosby. He would just be better at every aspect of the game because he is evolutionarily better. Just like no one is on McDavids level. Evolution. Its really that simple.

People live in the past because they were the pioneers. The quicker you accept that after McDavid there will be someone else, and after him, and after him, the easier it is to let go.

First I don't see how you can discount Gretzky or Orr period.
Second I don't know if sid would be so dominant in the full out clutch and grab era.
Third guys like Scott Stevens ended careers with hits that were considered legal back then.
Both times have their pros and cons and sid will be a hockey great for sure but he has a ways to go to be the GOAT

 

[AllDay28]

First I don't see how you can discount Gretzky or Orr period.
Second I don't know if sid would be so dominant in the full out clutch and grab era.
Third guys like Scott Stevens ended careers with hits that were considered legal back then.
Both times have their pros and cons and sid will be a hockey great for sure but he has a ways to go to be the GOAT

Didnt discount. theres only one greatest, and it's Crosby.

Anyways this is unfair to the topic hijacking it so it's been a fun discussion. We all shall agree to disagree. Have a good weekend and Go Dubas

 

[saltming]

Didnt discount. theres only one greatest, and it's Crosby.

Anyways this is unfair to the topic hijacking it so it's been a fun discussion. We all shall agree to disagree. Have a good weekend and Go Dubas

Honest question: are you trolling?

 

[ULF_55]

Not one person you mentioned is better than Crosby tho. You clearly just dont get it and thats whatever. I looked through your posts and we agree on a lot of stuff so we'll just agree to disagree. Crosby is physically a superior athlete than any of the players u mentioned before him. They simply did not have the sports education they do now. I dont care about goons cause they wouldnt be able to keep up with Crosby. He would just be better at every aspect of the game because he is evolutionarily better. Just like no one is on McDavids level. Evolution. Its really that simple.

People live in the past because they were the pioneers. The quicker you accept that after McDavid there will be someone else, and after him, and after him, the easier it is to let go.

Of course if you brought in a player who had to work in the summer to feed his family, had access to sports medicine of the 1950's to compete against full time professional athletes with today's nutritional understanding, and today's physiotherapists, today's sports medicine, today's training practices I could see there being a slight advantage to today's athlete.

However, if you go back to 1972 and watch the Canada versus Russia series, you'd be surprised how quickly athletes can get up to speed when all things are equalized.

Russians were juiced and ready to rumble and the Canadians just put out their butts and thought they could beat them ...

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Yes so happy. Smart young blood is what this organization needs.

 

[MattySnipes]

Not one person you mentioned is better than Crosby tho. You clearly just dont get it and thats whatever. I looked through your posts and we agree on a lot of stuff so we'll just agree to disagree. Crosby is physically a superior athlete than any of the players u mentioned before him. They simply did not have the sports education they do now. I dont care about goons cause they wouldnt be able to keep up with Crosby. He would just be better at every aspect of the game because he is evolutionarily better. Just like no one is on McDavids level. Evolution. Its really that simple.

People live in the past because they were the pioneers. The quicker you accept that after McDavid there will be someone else, and after him, and after him, the easier it is to let go.

I've seen all the era-adjusted stats and multiple threads that account to make a case for players in the past couple decades to be superior to players that actually went out and got it done. You can't take away credit from those legends just because they played in a different era when the game was different, technology was different.

They grew up playing in that gear, just like how Matthews, McDavid, MacKinnon grew up playing with composite sticks and uber-advanced skates and protective equipment. Just because you adjust someone's stats for era doesn't mean it would have happened. All the players @diceman934 mentioned are better than Sid. They've proven it in their time and for Sid to pass them, he will have to do it the right way. He'll have to earn all those points, and cups, etc. Just like McDavid will have to earn it.

The record books are not era-adjusted. You get there by earning the point totals and the awards, etc. I'm not arguing that if you take a Crosby today and insert him into a 1970's Canadiens team that he wouldn't dominate. He definitely would, but he never existed in that era. Sid's dad made him watch a bunch of hockey games while growing up and charting how players were moving on the ice before the puck was passed, how the puck was moving, how players off the ice moved, a bunch of stuff, really — you can say he learned to be his dominant self by learning how players from his past were playing.

 

[Stand Witness]

Dubas will be in studio on Overdrive at 4:30 today.

 

[ITM]

As expected. Congratulations, Dubas.

 

[The CyNick]

He was a scout for the Greyhounds at the age of 17...

You do realize he has been responsible for the research and development of the Leafs, as well as player development. Those Marlies coming up from the Leafs? Yeah he had a big hand in helping develop those players.

Your bias is ridiculous.

I don't think you understand how hockey ops works.

The Marlies are by and large acquired through the NHL drafting process, which is led by Hunter. So any success that team has is his credit, or those who drafted before him. But not Dubas.

Any development would be the work of coaches. I don't think Lou was on the ice with Matthews working on his snapshot. Likewise I don't think a guy who never played the game at a high level is helping to develop our AHL players.

His role with the Soo was acquired through nepotism and he was promoted because I'm sure he did a decent enough job and moreso because it's not a desirable location and hard to attract real talent. He never win anything there.

I don't mean to hate on the guy. I hope he crushes it. I just don't see why people think he's the best candidate outout th. Hopefully Shanny is right to see something in him. The good news is we don't have to speculate anymore. He'll be making moves and we can judge him accordingly. He inherited a 105 point team with back to back playoff appearances. Let's see what he adds to the group to make it even better and get to the ultimate goal of being a consistent Cup contender.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Yes so happy. Smart young blood is what this organization needs.

no.
smart people is what this organization needs.

age shouldn't make any lick of difference.

 

[The CyNick]

I still think the idea that a GM has to be an NHL player is overrated and doesn't make a person a better GM.

Also, what? He was a scout before he was the Greyhounds GM. He was also an agent that was certified by the NHLPA. He's done a lot of stuff even though he's so young.

Not taking anything away from the kid. It's great what he's done.

But we're talking about the premiere GM job in the league. There's only a handful of better jobs in all of sports. It's not unreasonable to expect we get someone great in that position.

Look at the coaching position. We went with a proven winner, one of the best in the game. In three seasons we went from a joke to a 105 point team. And that was also with a legendary GM making deals. Would we have been better off with some rookie coach? I seriously doubt it. So my skepticism meter is ringing loudly on this hire. But like I said, won't take long to see what's what.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'm just happy they've done this well in advance of the draft/off-season. Get that out of the way and get planning for what should be a busy off-season.

 

[Peasy]

I don't think you understand how hockey ops works.

The Marlies are by and large acquired through the NHL drafting process, which is led by Hunter. So any success that team has is his credit, or those who drafted before him. But not Dubas.

Any development would be the work of coaches. I don't think Lou was on the ice with Matthews working on his snapshot. Likewise I don't think a guy who never played the game at a high level is helping to develop our AHL players.

His role with the Soo was acquired through nepotism and he was promoted because I'm sure he did a decent enough job and moreso because it's not a desirable location and hard to attract real talent. He never win anything there.

I don't mean to hate on the guy. I hope he crushes it. I just don't see why people think he's the best candidate outout th. Hopefully Shanny is right to see something in him. The good news is we don't have to speculate anymore. He'll be making moves and we can judge him accordingly. He inherited a 105 point team with back to back playoff appearances. Let's see what he adds to the group to make it even better and get to the ultimate goal of being a consistent Cup contender.

He is literally the head of player development.

But yeah he has no input, he just sits in the corner twittling his thumbs.

All the Marlies coming up for the Leafs, whether you like it or not, Dubas has had some sort of influence on their development. More so than Hunter at this point.

 

[Peasy]

Not taking anything away from the kid. It's great what he's done.

But we're talking about the premiere GM job in the league. There's only a handful of better jobs in all of sports. It's not unreasonable to expect we get someone great in that position.

Look at the coaching position. We went with a proven winner, one of the best in the game. In three seasons we went from a joke to a 105 point team. And that was also with a legendary GM making deals. Would we have been better off with some rookie coach? I seriously doubt it. So my skepticism meter is ringing loudly on this hire. But like I said, won't take long to see what's what.

Lou has really not done much since the salary cap has been implemented. Basically all his trades for Toronto involved players for picks. Id like to see a little more innovation from my GM personally. Safe gets you no where.

 

[The CyNick]

He is literally the head of player development.

But yeah he has no input, he just sits in the corner twittling his thumbs.

All the Marlies coming up for the Leafs, whether you like it or not, Dubas has had some sort of influence on their development. More so than Hunter at this point.

Simply not true. You think Dubas is helping guys work on skills? "Hey Timashov, skate around these pylons and work on your edge work"

 

[Daisy Jane]

Lou has really not done much since the salary cap has been implemented. Basically all his trades for Toronto involved players for picks. Id like to see a little more innovation from my GM personally. Safe gets you no where.

the argument is was maybe they were doing it safe so Kyle wouldn't be saddled with anything.
kinda makes sense.

 

[The CyNick]

Lou has really not done much since the salary cap has been implemented. Basically all his trades for Toronto involved players for picks. Id like to see a little more innovation from my GM personally. Safe gets you no where.

Gets you from last to 105 points. Can't wait to see what Dubas does