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[Warden of the North]

Gourde was a 26 year old career ahler until this year

Gourde played in games in the previous two seasons.

 

[Cor]

Gourde played in games in the previous two seasons.

Holl played in games this season

 

[Kiwi]

Holl is a 27 year old career AHL player.

If he's good enough should we care?

I liked what I've seen from him at both the AHL and NHL levels so I'm all in favor of giving him an opportunity

 

[Cor]

Shanny said today that while Hunter was disappointed it wasn’t him, he was happy that it was at least Kyle getting the role.


But I thought Hunter was gonna storm out in a rage of expletive language and drive back to London

 

[MR4]

Shanny said today that while Hunter was disappointed it wasn’t him, he was happy that it was at least Kyle getting the role.


But I thought Hunter was gonna storm out in a rage of expletive language and drive back to London

*Totally fake! I can sense in the universe that Hunter is seething, and nothing Dubas/Shanahan/Hunter say contradicting that will change my mind!

*Every annoying poster in this thread that doesn't believe in facts

 

[Kiwi]

Shanny said today that while Hunter was disappointed it wasn’t him, he was happy that it was at least Kyle getting the role.


But I thought Hunter was gonna storm out in a rage of expletive language and drive back to London

Let's wait and see what happens after the draft Cor before we start spiking footballs

 

[MattySnipes]

Gourde played in games in the previous two seasons.

Gourde is an interesting player, more so because Dubas was apparently interested in taking him on - he was offered a one year deal from the Leafs to which he disagreed and went with the 2 year option from Tampa.

He was all over the place from 11-13 (Worcester, San Fran in ECHL, Kalamazoo in ECHL). He took a lot of time to develop and even then he wasn't offered an AHL contract by Worcester. Worcester media and other analysts were so upset that they didn't offer him a legitimate contract. Tampa obviously scouted him hard and felt he could be something given some more time and development so they offered him an AHL contract. He finished the 13-14 season with Syracuse (18 games - 2 G and 8 points).

The moment they gave him that contract he hasn't looked back. He followed that up in his first full year (2014-2015) as a Syracuse Crunch with 57 points in 76 games, and 44 points in 65 games in 2015-16; with a brief stint that year (2 games, 1 point) with the Lightning. They gave him another 56 games with Syracuse in 2016-2017 where he accumulated 48 points (22G, 26A) and then came on over to the Lightning permanently playing their final 20 games that year accumulating 8 points (6G, 2A).

Seeing what he's done this year is just amazing. Sorry, I know you didn't ask for all of this but I really like him as a player. I love smaller players who have to defy all odds to make it to the NHL. Can't believe he's only at $1m - that is a great deal for what he put up this year (25G, 39A) in 82 games. He was even impressive in the playoffs, along with Brayden Point who is already a superstar.

 

[Jtabo]

no.
smart people is what this organization needs.

age shouldn't make any lick of difference.

You’re right it shouldn’t, but it’s been the only knock used on Dubas this whole thread.

 

[Dino Tkachuk]

I heard on the radio today that the Marlies had played in 9 different playoff series in the 3 years before Dubas arrived. Does anyone know if that's true? Has it been discussed?

The argument was that he was sustaining the success of those before him and didn't really "build" what we are seeing today. Splitting hairs as far as I'm concerned as it's still not easy to build a contender year after year. That said, it did make me go hmmm...

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Gourde is an interesting player, more so because Dubas was apparently interested in taking him on - he was offered a one year deal from the Leafs to which he disagreed and went with the 2 year option from Tampa.

He was all over the place from 11-13 (Worcester, San Fran in ECHL, Kalamazoo in ECHL). He took a lot of time to develop and even then he wasn't offered an AHL contract by Worcester. Worcester media and other analysts were so upset that they didn't offer him a legitimate contract. Tampa obviously scouted him hard and felt he could be something given some more time and development so they offered him an AHL contract. He finished the 13-14 season with Syracuse (18 games - 2 G and 8 points).

The moment they gave him that contract he hasn't looked back. He followed that up in his first full year (2014-2015) as a Syracuse Crunch with 57 points in 76 games, and 44 points in 65 games in 2015-16; with a brief stint that year (2 games, 1 point) with the Lightning. They gave him another 56 games with Syracuse in 2016-2017 where he accumulated 48 points (22G, 26A) and then came on over to the Lightning permanently playing their final 20 games that year accumulating 8 points (6G, 2A).

Seeing what he's done this year is just amazing. Sorry, I know you didn't ask for all of this but I really like him as a player. I love smaller players who have to defy all odds to make it to the NHL. Can't believe he's only at $1m - that is a great deal for what he put up this year (25G, 39A) in 82 games. He was even impressive in the playoffs, along with Brayden Point who is already a superstar.

No need to apologize. this is informative and gives good insight into what Dubas can see in a player

 

[Warden of the North]

Gourde is an interesting player, more so because Dubas was apparently interested in taking him on - he was offered a one year deal from the Leafs to which he disagreed and went with the 2 year option from Tampa.

He was all over the place from 11-13 (Worcester, San Fran in ECHL, Kalamazoo in ECHL). He took a lot of time to develop and even then he wasn't offered an AHL contract by Worcester. Worcester media and other analysts were so upset that they didn't offer him a legitimate contract. Tampa obviously scouted him hard and felt he could be something given some more time and development so they offered him an AHL contract. He finished the 13-14 season with Syracuse (18 games - 2 G and 8 points).

The moment they gave him that contract he hasn't looked back. He followed that up in his first full year (2014-2015) as a Syracuse Crunch with 57 points in 76 games, and 44 points in 65 games in 2015-16; with a brief stint that year (2 games, 1 point) with the Lightning. They gave him another 56 games with Syracuse in 2016-2017 where he accumulated 48 points (22G, 26A) and then came on over to the Lightning permanently playing their final 20 games that year accumulating 8 points (6G, 2A).

Seeing what he's done this year is just amazing. Sorry, I know you didn't ask for all of this but I really like him as a player. I love smaller players who have to defy all odds to make it to the NHL. Can't believe he's only at $1m - that is a great deal for what he put up this year (25G, 39A) in 82 games. He was even impressive in the playoffs, along with Brayden Point who is already a superstar.

No problem, my point was about Holl, not Gourde. I was pointing out that Gourde has played more then just this season in the NHL

 

[hotpaws]

I don't, but I know that what Shanahan says is more credible than the baseless speculation from nobodies on a terrible forum.

do you even have a clue what the discussion you jumped into was about ? and i guess you're another person who believe this forums only purpose is to waive the pom poms and defend the honor of our Leafs against other fan bases

 

[Menzinger]

He was a scout for the Greyhounds at the age of 17...

You do realize he has been responsible for the research and development of the Leafs, as well as player development. Those Marlies coming up from the Leafs? Yeah he had a big hand in helping develop those players.

Your bias is ridiculous.

I also like how you changed your stance from "Never led a department" at all, to at the NHL level. Just further proves that youre full of it.

The poster youre replying to developed a nasty habit of making some very bold claims about how the Leafs were being run internally (ie that Dubas was apparently pushed off to the side and considered to be irrelevant), now they’re trying to backtrack.

So either they were just making stuff up or their”insider sources” were flat out wrong about Dubas. Either way they’re trying to save face.

 

[Rielly4]

I heard on the radio today that the Marlies had played in 9 different playoff series in the 3 years before Dubas arrived. Does anyone know if that's true? Has it been discussed?

The argument was that he was sustaining the success of those before him and didn't really "build" what we are seeing today. Splitting hairs as far as I'm concerned as it's still not easy to build a contender year after year. That said, it did make me go hmmm...

The marlies have been good for a long time dating back to when Kadri and Gardiner played on the team. I think that we have always had some pretty high profile prospects on the team and that helps a lot. From Kadri Gardiner to Rielly(briefly) and Nyalnder. To Kapanen and Dermott this year.

But i think the 2 main reasons the Marlies are always good are:
A.) The team is in Toronto and right beside the leafs with state of the art facilities and can really taste the NHL club being right beside it which keeps morale high. Some AHL teams are in the middle of nowhere and can feel buried. This also can attract AHL veterans.

B.) We have deep pockets and can afford to pay guys at the AHL level. We always have strong AHL vets like guys like Hamilton, Zigomanis, Brennan, Aucoin...Now Smith, Greening, Holl etc..

 

[Cor]

Let's wait and see what happens after the draft Cor before we start spiking footballs

It was a baseless report around the fact that Hunter didn’t like Dubas and wouldn’t report to him.

It’s not true.

 

[firstemperor]

Gourde is an interesting player, more so because Dubas was apparently interested in taking him on - he was offered a one year deal from the Leafs to which he disagreed and went with the 2 year option from Tampa.

He was also heavily linked to Rantanen, Provorov in 2015 when he worked closely with Hunter during the draft. I've also heard first-hand that he was scouting Provorov hard that year and reports are likely true he was pushing for him around draft time (mind you, the same person thought Rielly was top 5 caliber in his draft year and mentioned off-hand that Keith and to a lesser extent, Barrie were the real deal during their developmental years). I'm quite optimistic about him (Dubas) in all avenues. People that are anti-Dubas push the BrockU versus Ivy league candidate narrative/agenda too hard on him, give the guy a chance. Undergrad is already a bit of a joke, regardless of the school you attended anyways. He sounds articulate enough in his interviews, and has a great understanding about contemporary work dynamics/collaboration/innovation- which he spoke about today, and just general workflow optimization and finding inefficiencies.

There are a number of undeserving people that come out of those schools, we've already hired an incompetent one in years past (Brian Burke). All I'm saying is give the guy a chance because I'm more optimistic about him, as a GM who thinks the sport on a higher level (I guess Atkins is another revolutionary of sort, perhaps to a lesser or equivalent degree, in Toronto sports) than brash, old boys club, hockey people we've had in years past.

 

[Joey Hoser]

I heard on the radio today that the Marlies had played in 9 different playoff series in the 3 years before Dubas arrived. Does anyone know if that's true? Has it been discussed?

The argument was that he was sustaining the success of those before him and didn't really "build" what we are seeing today. Splitting hairs as far as I'm concerned as it's still not easy to build a contender year after year. That said, it did make me go hmmm...

The Marlies have pretty much always been a good team.

They've been historically good in 2 of the last 3 seasons though. Like, top 10 AHL seasons ever good. One of those was hard to lose with guys like Nylander, Kapanen, Brown, Soshnikov, Hyman and others stacking the team. The other year is this one, in which they don't have nearly that much firepower. But yeah, they've probably played more playoff series' in the last eight years than any team, AHL or NHL, dating back to Gardiner and Kadri playing there.

Still yet to win it all though. They just swept their way to the conference finals so looking good this year.

 

[Menzinger]

Fenton, Futa, Fletcher, (haha the F's).
BriseBois, Verbeek (probably harder as they are still active)
those are obvious the well known off the top of my head.

I am not gonna lie and say i was team Fenton - but i was more Team Due Process. the one thing I liked from Lou is what he said is true. the one key asset you have is time, and when you get it, why aren't you utalising it. take the time to do everything throughly.

I’m sure Shanny knew they were all available, they just didn’t fit into his vision of how the team would be managed. I don’t think this move was a reactionary one, rather one that has slowly building/developing over the last few years. Dubas job interview didn’t begin to when Lo was fired, rather it started the minute he and Shanny first stared to talk.

 

[JamieG19]

Shanny said today that while Hunter was disappointed it wasn’t him, he was happy that it was at least Kyle getting the role.
But I thought Hunter was gonna storm out in a rage of expletive language and drive back to London

What did you expect him to say, seriously? Do you really think "hockey people" are honestly when speaking to the media? Do you really think he would have said Hunter was furious and will be leaving soon?

 

[Budsfan]

I would like to see Lou stay on as a Senior Advisor, maybe for a year or two but I believe Dubas can handle the job and there is enough GM management around to Guide him over some of the bumps he will face.

This was the Shanaplan when Lou was hired and Dubas was the Heir Apparent, so no big surprise.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Lets see how long it takes him to go from hero to zero in Leaf land..

 

[trellaine201]

I heard on the radio today that the Marlies had played in 9 different playoff series in the 3 years before Dubas arrived. Does anyone know if that's true? Has it been discussed?

The argument was that he was sustaining the success of those before him and didn't really "build" what we are seeing today. Splitting hairs as far as I'm concerned as it's still not easy to build a contender year after year. That said, it did make me go hmmm...

Did some math. Since Dubas joined the Leafs....the Marlies are 190-90 and the four years before he arrive the Marlies were 169-104

 

[LeafChief]

The hot takes by TWS were FLOWING today.

 

[Daisy Jane]

I’m sure Shanny knew they were all available, they just didn’t fit into his vision of how the team would be managed. I don’t think this move was a reactionary one, rather one that has slowly building/developing over the last few years. Dubas job interview didn’t begin to when Lo was fired, rather it started the minute he and Shanny first stared to talk.

again. you don't know that if you don't talk to them, that is, and always has been my issue.. but like i promised Loosie and Walshy, i'd let it go

 

[Liminality]

Lets see how long it takes him to go from hero to zero in Leaf land..

He's not a hero to anyone yet, or at least shouldn't be. I wouldn't be surprised if people already see him as a zero though.