Confirmed with Link: Dubas the new GM - TSN

[Cor]

Dubas starting strong

 

[BertCorbeau]

Not taking anything away from the kid. It's great what he's done.

But we're talking about the premiere GM job in the league. There's only a handful of better jobs in all of sports. It's not unreasonable to expect we get someone great in that position.

Look at the coaching position. We went with a proven winner, one of the best in the game. In three seasons we went from a joke to a 105 point team. And that was also with a legendary GM making deals. Would we have been better off with some rookie coach? I seriously doubt it. So my skepticism meter is ringing loudly on this hire. But like I said, won't take long to see what's what.

Two things:

1) The Leafs have gone with the "proven winner" type of hire previously, and it didn't work. I mean track record is great and all but it's not the end all be all IMO. Even the previous legendary GM was criticized on this board for being too old with the game growing past him at some points.

2) The legendary GM is still in the fold as an advisor. Despite Dubas having the official GM title, I would place my money on Shanny having a plan in place to ensure that Dubas has the proper support from guys like Lou Lam who can help him out when needed and provide some mentorship. I doubt Dubas is alone on a island, being told to "take this team to the next level" on his own.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Didnt discount. theres only one greatest, and it's Crosby.

Anyways this is unfair to the topic hijacking it so it's been a fun discussion. We all shall agree to disagree. Have a good weekend and Go Dubas

Evolution doesn't work that way. People born in 2000 aren't super humans compared to people born in 1900. The perfect example for this is the 100m race, this is all about how fast a human body can go.

The world record in 1912 was 10.6 seconds in 2017=8 the record is 9.58 seconds. This isn't the X-Men people don't evolve that quickly.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Gets you from last to 105 points. Can't wait to see what Dubas does

You're contradicting yourself.

You claim Dubas' success was largely due to Hunter drafting the quality players on the Marlies' roster ... But you're giving Lou Lam all the credit for turning the team from a last place finisher to a 105 point team, when in that transition time the Leafs added rookies like Matthews/Marner/Dermott (drafted by Hunter)

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Joey Hoser]

I don't think you understand how hockey ops works.

The Marlies are by and large acquired through the NHL drafting process, which is led by Hunter. So any success that team has is his credit, or those who drafted before him. But not Dubas.

Any development would be the work of coaches. I don't think Lou was on the ice with Matthews working on his snapshot. Likewise I don't think a guy who never played the game at a high level is helping to develop our AHL players.

His role with the Soo was acquired through nepotism and he was promoted because I'm sure he did a decent enough job and moreso because it's not a desirable location and hard to attract real talent. He never win anything there.

I don't mean to hate on the guy. I hope he crushes it. I just don't see why people think he's the best candidate outout th. Hopefully Shanny is right to see something in him. The good news is we don't have to speculate anymore. He'll be making moves and we can judge him accordingly. He inherited a 105 point team with back to back playoff appearances. Let's see what he adds to the group to make it even better and get to the ultimate goal of being a consistent Cup contender.

And if the Leafs win I'm sure the goalposts will shift and he'll have inherited Matthews and Marner, all the great scouting Hunter did, the culture Lou put in place, the plan Shanahan brought to the BOD, etc...

I don't know much about Dubas but he's climbed the entire ladder by the age of 31. Most people would consider that impressive and figure he must be doing something right, instead of trying to shit all over everything he's done to this point.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Lou said for Dubas to train properly is really take hold of the Marlies/players development, and run the team as he was running the leafs.

makes sense

 

[Daisy Jane]

And if the Leafs win I'm sure the goalposts will shift and he'll have inherited Matthews and Marner, all the great scouting Hunter did, the culture Lou put in place, the plan Shanahan brought to the BOD, etc...

I don't know much about Dubas but he's climbed the entire ladder by the age of 31. Most people would consider that impressive and figure he must be doing something right, instead of trying to **** all over everything he's done to this point.

that's what i don't get.
he might have had doors open for him, but he had to do something for him to keep climbing up.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

And if the Leafs win I'm sure the goalposts will shift and he'll have inherited Matthews and Marner, all the great scouting Hunter did, the culture Lou put in place, the plan Shanahan brought to the BOD, etc...

I don't know much about Dubas but he's climbed the entire ladder by the age of 31. Most people would consider that impressive and figure he must be doing something right, instead of trying to **** all over everything he's done to this point.

I think it's part of something I refer to as the "fanboy effect" keep in mind I actually hate this term and think it's childish and refuse to use it in general conversation but it's still the most apt word.

Constantly pumping someones tires, absolving them of blame and crediting them for things that they didn't do on their own causes a negative reaction from people. It makes you want to find fault because the tire pumpers are often obnoxious.

I'm very happy Dubas was picked as GM, I would have been fine with Hunter but Dubas was supposed to be the guy. That being said I've found it annoying how over the last few years some posters credit him with all the good stuff and any choice they didn't like well that must have been Dubas was overruled by Lou and Babcock. When you put someone on an insanely high pedestal don't be surprised if it makes people want to take a few swings.

 

[The CyNick]

Two things:

1) The Leafs have gone with the "proven winner" type of hire previously, and it didn't work. I mean track record is great and all but it's not the end all be all IMO. Even the previous legendary GM was criticized on this board for being too old with the game growing past him at some points.

2) The legendary GM is still in the fold as an advisor. Despite Dubas having the official GM title, I would place my money on Shanny having a plan in place to ensure that Dubas has the proper support from guys like Lou Lam who can help him out when needed and provide some mentorship. I doubt Dubas is alone on a island, being told to "take this team to the next level" on his own.

I don't think you understand how guys like Lou tick. He wanted to still be the GM. He's checked out already. He's looking for a new landing spot. He's not interested in being a babysitter. If Shanny told him look I need you to hold Kyle's hand while he makes his first year of moves, Lou would just say then I'm the GM and keep me in the role.

So it's completely different now. We have an inexperienced executive making key decisions about the future of this group. If I was a Coyotes or Soo fan, I would accept that. As a Leafs fan, I feel like there's better options.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Love it.

 

[saltming]

I don't think you understand how guys like Lou tick. He wanted to still be the GM. He's checked out already. He's looking for a new landing spot. He's not interested in being a babysitter. If Shanny told him look I need you to hold Kyle's hand while he makes his first year of moves, Lou would just say then I'm the GM and keep me in the role.

So it's completely different now. We have an inexperienced executive making key decisions about the future of this group. If I was a Coyotes or Soo fan, I would accept that. As a Leafs fan, I feel like there's better options.

“I made an agreement and a decision three years ago and it is my intent to honour that,” Lamoriello said. “There are no other thoughts in my mind at this point.
“It’s an unknown. I’ve never been in a situation like [senior adviser]. Like everything else in life, you wear it as you go and make the best of it.”

Lou seems to be a man of his word

 

[hamzarocks]

Good signing. Leaf nation was to peaceful for far too long. Dubas being appointed gm besides being a great move imo , will make for some good reads on this board. Dubas get the leafs a yanni gourde who plays defense

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

The number of reasonable posts in this thread replying to no one reassures me that my ignore list is on point.

Unfortunately this thread appears to qualify as the proverbial shit show.

 

[1specter]

that's what i don't get.
he might have had doors open for him, but he had to do something for him to keep climbing up.

Exactly. The fact that Shanahan didn’t really waste time in appointing him GM, and how he told Colorado to f*** off last summer and made sure Dubas didn’t go anywhere really speaks volumes to me. I don’t see Shanahan doing that for just any run of the mill AGM.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Good signing. Leaf nation was to peaceful for far too long. Dubas being appointed gm besides being a great move imo , will make for some good reads on this board. Dubas get the leafs a yanni gourde who plays defense

Holl is your guy

 

[Kiwi]

I'm in favour of this decision

Dubas is Shanahan's guy and as of now I've got no reason to think he's going to put the Leafs into a bad position

Dubas seems like a smart forward thinking person with a strong track record of developing players through lower levels of the organization and seems to work well with the other people throughout the organization

I'd be bloody disappointed if Hunter decides to leave but if he feels slighted it's probably better he goes, same goes for Lou

I just want Dubas in the best situation to succeed now he's the GM

 

[Joey Hoser]

The number of reasonable posts in this thread replying to no one reassures me that my ignore list is on point.

Unfortunately this thread appears to qualify as the proverbial **** show.

I've tried to avoid using the ignore list my whole time here, but I think I'm going to have to give up and start throwing people on there. Inexplicably, this place has turned into a f***ing shit show ever since we got good.

 

[MR4]

The number of reasonable posts in this thread replying to no one reassures me that my ignore list is on point.

Unfortunately this thread appears to qualify as the proverbial **** show.

same, just reading the posts replying to no one shows that my roster on the ignore list is perfect

 

[killer1980]

cool story. if you think people from the eras prior could even keep up with Crosby, then whats the point of arguing?

Anybody that dares to compare athletes from different eras is a moron. Are you telling me that Jesse Owens wasn't as great an athlete in his day as Usain Bolt is today? And if Jesse lived today with access to the same technological advances that Bolt was able to use, he would be just as good, if not better. In hockey, it's Gretzky, Orr, Richard, Jackson, take your pick. In 10 years it'll probably be McDavid.

 

[Warden of the North]

Holl is your guy

Holl is a 27 year old career AHL player.

 

[kesleaf]

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Dubas starting strong

lmao

 

[MR4]

Holl is a 27 year old career AHL player.

So far, that looked better than Polak & Carrick as Dermott's partner in the 2 games he got. Very small sample size but when the results in very small sample sizes are great you test them out until you prove them to be great or just a fluke. Expect Dubas to pull for Leivo getting more extended looks as well.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Holl is a 27 year old career AHL player.

Gourde was a 26 year old career ahler until this year

 

[Christ]

One question...can the players have facial hair now?

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

One question...can the players have facial hair now?

Just my opinion obviously but I'd think for at least this upcoming season no. I think they will want to look the same as last year and saying yes creates more drama than it saves.

It's the path of least resistance.