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93LEAFS said:
He spent more time in Toronto than Calgary since they hired him. I don't think he's been able to really fully work since around 2010. Personal tragedies can take their toll, and I don't think he was comfortable being away from his family all the time. He is very frequently seen around the Leaside community and lives in Bennington Heights.
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His reach from Toronto had the Flames deal an unprotected 1st. round pick for Hamonic. I know Treliving is GM, but he took his directions from Burke right?
 
MattySnipes said:
well..shanahan did say that if he's needed by Kyle he will BE there. But when he's not needed he doesn't mind being told to get out lol. had quite the laugh there when he said it.
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Shanny doesn't do many interviews and when he does he doesn't say much so i wouldn't be waiting for him to tell us how this change affects his influence in the day to day operations of the team .

it would be nice to know what goes on behind the scene but i doubt we'll ever know
 
ULF_55 said:
His reach from Toronto had the Flames deal an unprotected 1st. round pick for Hamonic. I know Treliving is GM, but he took his directions from Burke right?
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He may of put influence on certain things, but I don't think that deal was his. He resided mostly in Toronto, and was fairly hand-off. His last years with the Leafs he basically let Nonis run the day to day stuff.
 
Loosie said:
I know you need to do your own due diligence, but when Hunter and Dubas were first brought in as AGMs the thought was one of them would be Lou's successor. The fact the he went with one of them means his plan is still in place. Shanahan was pretty much in a no-win situation for some people.

I'm not trying to be harsh or critical of those that may have preferred Hunter over Dubas for clear reasons, but his choices were:

1) Dubas -> Those that prefer Hunter would be upset
2) Hunter -> Those that prefer Dubas would be upset.
3) Outsider -> Well what was the point of hiring Hunter/Dubas. What about the plan!

I just go back to Lou's hiring where he said if Dubas wasn't the GM in 3 years it would be Dubas' own fault.

Now Shanahan at least thought about looking outside and didn't just go with "It's either Hunter or Dubas". It seems he was obviously happy with how they were doing. And clearly Dubas did all the right things (Marlies and likely more we don't know about publically) to be the next GM.

I do get the not everyone will be happy with this hire, and the Dubas is still unproven at the NHL level (as is Hunter), and if there are slip ups the criticism will be huge. I like the move because it is going with the plan we've be told. That obviously could change.

I'm also not saying he just went with the 'safe path' by going with Dubas either. It really does seem he was thinking about this for a bit.
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that's fair. (heehe i feel you are kinda talking to me). and I'll admit, I am very methodical in my thinking. (no one can stand grocery shopping with me, because it takes forever).

I know for me (in several threads), i've stated my issues with Kyle were the following.
1: I didn't like how he ran the draft and his moves as interim GM. fair/not fair. this doesn't mean he can't do better (obviously) just. i didn't like what I saw. If he didn't have that, imo I'd probably be more receptive of the idea

2: I really liked Fenton/NSH angle. I know others liked Futa etc. so i wasn't banging the "Experience Old Guy" drum, I just felt that Fenton has had more connections he can draw on to (for example) build the scouting team should everyone goes. Does Dubas, we'll see right? :)

3: for me the key part of the "Plan" wasn't the "Plan" it's the Vision. The Vision stays constant - the Plan changes (ie: what if we lost Matthews - the plan changes, what if were Buffalo, plan changes again, what if we we were in the catbird seat, plan changes again). for me (and I'll drop it i swear haha), is Kyle part of the vision (ie: that was never changing). if so. why? (which is never going to be answered really) or if he was the plan, why not do more work to see. according to him, he did. so. move on

4: the Analytical + Youth angle - kinda bugs me. I am not gonna say that's all Kyle does that's not fair. and again him being young isn't just an issue however, fairly or unfairly, if you look at the two teams who wanted to Go YOUNG (Arizona) and Really go Analytical, (Florida) it severely blew up in their faces. and I think for Toronto especially because the team imo is still so fragile it could be kinda sketch. However, i also said 3 years ago that people have experiences in different avenues.

Dubas is gonna have a really tough summer ahead of him. Lou (and I gave him heck for it) was very passive. I don't think Dubas (or anyone else who had gotten the job) can afford to be passive anymore. there is a lot of choppy waters ahead and it will be interesting to see how he navigates it. However, as I've said - I'll totally be supportive until Kyle does a number of things to shake that support.
 
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ULF_55 said:
The more I think about it the happier I am.

I expect some changes and obviously the team needs some changes.

Leafs don't need some GM that was really good a decade ago.
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And arguably played things safe - didn't address key needs because it might have involved a fairly large trade(s)
 
ULF_55 said:
The more I think about it the happier I am.

I expect some changes and obviously the team needs some changes.

Leafs don't need some GM that was really good a decade ago.
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this belief makes no sense.
 
Dubas had a whole year watching Rosen play with the Marlies and was considered the Marlies best dman. Hope he gets a shot with the Leafs next year, I think he is better then half of the current Leafs dmen. Watched him play a few times live and to me was the best player on the ice.
 
I'm more surprised they made the announcement during the middle of a deep Marlies playoff run.

I'm fully confident in Dubas and this ownership group. He has proven he can GM in the AHL, and he has a lot of reliable people to rely upon as well. It's always been the plan, and there was a reason Dubas was chosen to be part of this plan.
 
ULF_55 said:
His reach from Toronto had the Flames deal an unprotected 1st. round pick for Hamonic. I know Treliving is GM, but he took his directions from Burke right?
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at the time of the trade he did take direction or from Burke but from creeping the Flames board i read that when he was re upped during the season they cut Burke out of the decision making process and had Treliving answering directly to the owners

it seems along the way Burke lost confidence of the owners and it could have been partly because of the trade among other things
 
MattySnipes said:
Shanahan in his time here has done a terrific job in getting the Leafs where they are. He is simply sticking to his original plan, I feel it was always Dubas' job to lose. It was clear he wanted him GM when he brought him on but he obviously wasn't ready at that time, as Dubas has been quoted saying. It was always Shanahan's plan to have Dubas learn from a legend in Lou and use that experience and valuable lessons learned in developing the team going forward. Shanahan feels Dubas is the right guy for the job. That is all that matters.

When listening to the conference you can hear the confidence in Dubas' tone. He also spouted off like 15 names within the organization I've never heard of. It's clear he knows a lot about the entire organization and has forged relationships which will be crucial going forward. Dubas admitted that he wants to keep everyone on board that has got the Leafs thus far and has no intention of letting anyone go (Hunter, Babcock, etc). He said he will be running interviews, talking to everyone within to see their vision and what they have to contribute to the Leafs in bringing a SC to Toronto, which has always been the main goal.

I guess some fans just wanted Shanahan to make sure he was 100% confident in promoting Dubas, which all fans should want for anyone within the organization. Some fans felt that Shanahan should have done extensive interviews with potential GM candidates outside the team to make sure he wasn't leaving anyone out, like Predators AGM Fenton and some other potential candidates.

Maybe Shanahan felt other candidates' vision wouldn't be a match here, or a number of other reasons. It was never confirmed that he never looked outside the organization. All he said was he did evaluate all options and felt going in-house was the best solution for the Leafs going forward, can't say I disagree.
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Lol @ thinking Dubas has the power to fire Babcock. More like the other way around.
 
I argued and debated that if it was between Hunter/Dubas, Shanahan would name a GM prior to the draft. His done that. I wasn't invested in either Hunter or Dubas, so I'm open minded overall with this choice. He has a clean slate as a GM, lets see how Kyle does.

He has lots of work ahead of him, hopefully he kicks ass.
 
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Keato said:
I'm more surprised they made the announcement during the middle of a deep Marlies playoff run.

I'm fully confident in Dubas and this ownership group. He has proven he can GM in the AHL, and he has a lot of reliable people to rely upon as well. It's always been the plan, and there was a reason Dubas was chosen to be part of this plan.
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My understanding was it was done for two reasons. One just to move on. Dubas was always going to be the guy, they wanted some space between firing Lou and hiring Dubas.

Second the belief is it will help motivate the AHL group. Like hey look the organization believes in promoting from within, so let's take this thing all the way so a bunch of Marlies can get promoted in the near term.
 
The CyNick said:
Lol @ thinking Dubas has the power to fire Babcock. More like the other way around.
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hmm..you think? will be interesting to see their dynamic together in the coming months and years.

I believe Shanahan has a lot of respect for both individuals and admires what they bring to the Leafs. If Dubas could legitimately make a case to fire Babcock and present it to Shanahan, you'd have to think he'd consider it and then discuss it with the BOD. This is all speculation anyway. From what I've seen over the years it seems Dubas & Babcock have great respect for what each other can do. Obviously, now that they are both working directly with each other it'll be interesting to see how their relationship unfolds.

IMO, I hope Babcock stays on to finish his contract but at the same time I want them to work together because there are a lot of ideas that Dubas can enlighten Babcock on, and vice versa. It would be interesting to see if Babcock evolves a bit more or changes some of his traditional ways going forward.
 
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