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zeke said:
Just wanted to check the pricetags:

Gardiner/Hainsey/zaitsev/Polak: $12.65m (16.9%)
Muzzin/Brodie/Holl/Bogosian: $13.625m (16.7%)

Lol a lower cap percentage even though Dubas got screwed by the flat cap.
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Are ya sure about these numbers there bro? The larger number usually coincides with the larger number. Oh never mind. Thats cap% today. I caught myself :)
 
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Throw More Waffles said:
Everyone of them has FAR better stats this year thus far then they did at 19. What a surprise. People are making a pretty silly argument here.

I just hope the winning continues into the playoffs. Dubas himself has admitted that he’s “learning as he goes”. When he was making all those very VERY stupid mistakes, people like me called him out.
Looks like maybe he really has finally learned, adjusted, and put a team together thats getting results. Hopefully it continues, especially into the playoffs.
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Gee maybe they have better stats because they're getting 21 minutes a night and top PP minutes instead of 16 and second unit scraps?
 
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zeke said:
Just wanted to check the pricetags:

Gardiner/Hainsey/zaitsev/Polak: $12.65m (16.9%)
Muzzin/Brodie/Holl/Bogosian: $13.625m (16.7%)

Lol a lower cap percentage even though Dubas got screwed by the flat cap.
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I’d argue he got said players on such good deals because of the flat cap not in spite of the flat cap.........
 
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rumman said:
I’d argue he got said players on such good deals because of the flat cap not in spite of the flat cap.........
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I think all the deals were fair market value at the time and nothing had to do with flat cap. Maybe Spezza Simmonds Thornton were because of flat cap.
 
I liked his off-season which I believe I stated already. The team on the ice is performing quite well.

Some tweaks need to be made.

For example, I think Dubas is a man of efficiency and likely looks at Engvall's contract, even the 175k of it that hangs on our cap if demoted as a waste. I see him addressing it between now and the off-season.

I don't think Kerfoot or the 3rd line as a whole has really done much. Soup contributes on the PK and doesn't make an incredibly large amount, it's forgivable. Kerfoot at $3.5M is likely not providing ROI that Dubas would like.

Our 4th line is exceeding expectations and our top 6 was looking deadly with Simmonds in it.

Andersen slowly finding his groove. Defense hasn't been a massive problem like year's past, our right side is much improved.

This is as much praise as I have ever put onto Dubas so no one say I am not objective :)

He deserved the backlash for the team he assembled last year that fell to the Jackets but he seems to be learning as evidenced by the most recent off-season.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
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He deserved the backlash for the team he assembled last year that fell to the Jackets but he seems to be learning as evidenced by the most recent off-season.
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Meh.

Three biggest issues last year:

1. Babcock
2. Goaltending
3. Injuries

Only one of those was under his control, and even then only partly.
 
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zeke said:
Meh.

Three biggest issues last year:

1. Babcock
2. Goaltending
3. Injuries

Only one of those was under his control, and even then only partly.
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1. He could have fired him sooner...although I get the speculation there that maybe he was blocked. So debatable?
2. Goaltending was self inflicted but he again learned from that. He got Campbell. Love him as our back up
3. Injuries. Yes they suck but all teams deal with them, we were pretty much all healthy. Muzzin went down in the playoffs but it shouldn't be the difference in a series if 1 guy goes down.

Again, I don't want to switch lanes and go back to bashing. For now, I will re-iterate I like this team, I think Dubas will continue to modify things.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
1. He could have fired him sooner...although I get the speculation there that maybe he was blocked. So debatable?
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Wasn't his coach, wasn't allowed to fire him.

2. Goaltending was self inflicted but he again learned from that. He got Campbell. Love him as our back up
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Partly. Andersen's poor play wasn't on Dubas. Bad backup goaltending was but he did fix it before the year was through


3. Injuries. Yes they suck but all teams deal with them, we were pretty much all healthy. Muzzin went down in the playoffs but it shouldn't be the difference in a series if 1 guy goes down.
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Top 5 most significant injuries during the year. Real tough.
 
Spirit of 67 said:
One thing I've never figured out about fans is why they think GM's are so childish.
Like they'll get petty and screw themselves just to "get even" with another franchise.
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Fans tend to project their personal feelings onto management.

Sure Theres a handful of times where a GM has made a move to piss off a competitor (Burke threatening to fist fight one for starters lol),but those are few and far between.

GMs are peers and don't like to burn bridges
 
I think one of TO's greatest problems going forward is the draft, 3 wasted years with Hunter in charge (15,16 &17, 27 picks) so TO's prospects, the major potential source of cheap quality depth, is slim. Not sure if Dubie's years in charge is any more promising, Hunter pretty well removed the incumbent drafting department when he took over but it might necessary for Dubie to do the same, with hopefully better results.
 
zeke said:
Wasn't his coach, wasn't allowed to fire him.



Partly. Andersen's poor play wasn't on Dubas. Bad backup goaltending was but he did fix it before the year was through




Top 5 most significant injuries during the year. Real tough.
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Except he did fire him...so he was allowed.

Injuries didn't play a part in the playoffs though and let's be honest. I sign on to a series with Columbus before I sign on to a series with Boston. We did bad there.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Injuries didn't play a part in the playoffs though
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You could argue the impact, but I'm not sure you can really say it "didn't play a part" when we lost our most important defenseman for the majority of the series. Not to even mention Johnsson being out, or playing an elimination game with 5 defensemen.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Except he did fire him...so he was allowed.

Injuries didn't play a part in the playoffs though and let's be honest. I sign on to a series with Columbus before I sign on to a series with Boston. We did bad there.
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You seriously think Shanny/MLSE weren't the ones making the final call?
 
Dekes For Days said:
You could argue the impact, but I'm not sure you can really say it "didn't play a part" when we lost our most important defenseman for the majority of the series. Not to even mention Johnsson being out, or playing an elimination game with 5 defensemen.
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Johnsson played in that game.

Tampa won a cup without a forward that would have been maybe our 3rd best?

This is the frustrating aspect of this side of the fan base, can’t criticize Dubas at all.

IPS said:
You seriously think Shanny/MLSE weren't the ones making the final call?
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I don’t know. Do you have anything that says he didn’t have the autonomy to do it?
 
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Dekes For Days said:
He played in one game.

It has nothing to do with that. I even said you could argue the extent. It's just wrong to say that it played no part.
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Let’s just refer back to my first post in this recent little thread. I like what Dubas has been doing as of the most recent off season. I hope he keeps it up.
 
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