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zeke said:
Its hilarious.

Gardiner ---> Brodie
Hainsey -----> Muzzin
Zaitsev -------> Holl
Polak ---------> Bogosian

just a gargantuan upgrade on the blueline, for approximately the same price as a percentage of cap.

And even funnier when you realize that people praise LOU for knowing how to improve a team defensively, and criticize DUBAS for not understanding the importance of defense and toughness.
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Just wanted to check the pricetags:

Gardiner/Hainsey/zaitsev/Polak: $12.65m (16.9%)
Muzzin/Brodie/Holl/Bogosian: $13.625m (16.7%)

Lol a lower cap percentage even though Dubas got screwed by the flat cap.
 
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I for one am SHOCKED to see our core players playing better at 23 than they did at 19 Who could have seen that coming? Dubas must be a borderline wizard to accomplish the impossible. 23 years olds being better than they were at 19? It’s a flat out MIRACLE!!!!

Hyperbole aside, despite his very clear shortcomings from previous seasons, Dubas has the leafs looking great this year. Kudos.

Hope it keeps up, and most especially, into the playoffs. I don’t care of the leafs win the Presidents trophy if they still lose in the first round.
 
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Throw More Waffles said:
I for one am SHOCKED to see our core players playing better at 23 than they did at 18. Who could have seen that coming? Dubas must be a borderline wizard to accomplish the impossible. 23 years olds being better than they were at 18? It’s a flat out MIRACLE!!!!

Hyperbole aside, despite his very clear shortcomings from previous seasons, Dubas has the leafs looking great this year. Kudos.

Hope it keeps up, and most especially, into the playoffs. I don’t care of the leafs win the Presidents trophy if they still lose in the first round.
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None of our core players played at age 18.
 
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zeke said:
They were REALLY REALLY GOOD at age 19.

REALLY good.
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Everyone of them has FAR better stats this year thus far then they did at 19. What a surprise. People are making a pretty silly argument here.

I just hope the winning continues into the playoffs. Dubas himself has admitted that he’s “learning as he goes”. When he was making all those very VERY stupid mistakes, people like me called him out.
Looks like maybe he really has finally learned, adjusted, and put a team together thats getting results. Hopefully it continues, especially into the playoffs.
 
CantLoseWithMatthews said:
not really. Having stars on ELCs is much easier for a GM to work with than having them be a bit older but on real contracts
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Not when those stars were putting up 60 points, as opposed to pacing for 74 goals in one instance, and 135 points in another.

Are we really arguing that it’s rare for players to improve from 19-23?
 
I will give the guy credit, so far he has addressed many of the needs on this club, specifically with relation to quality NHL depth. I will appreciate him when he brings success in the playoffs, not a second before.
 
Throw More Waffles said:
Not when those stars were putting up 60 points, as opposed to pacing for 74 goals in one instance, and 135 points in another.

Are we really arguing that it’s rare for players to improve from 19-23?
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no, we are arguing that star players are on their ELCs are better value than star players not on their ELCs. Unless you're trying to say Dubas signed such amazing contracts that the players are even more valuable now than when they were making almost no money
 
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Throw More Waffles said:
Everyone of them has FAR better stats this year thus far then they did at 19. What a surprise. People are making a pretty silly argument here.

I just hope the winning continues into the playoffs. Dubas himself has admitted that he’s “learning as he goes”. When he was making all those very VERY stupid mistakes, people like me called him out.
Looks like maybe he really has finally learned, adjusted, and put a team together thats getting results. Hopefully it continues, especially into the playoffs.
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A big reason for their better stats is firing that coach that severely underplayed them or they would have had betters tats than they showed in years 19-23
 
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Throw More Waffles said:
Everyone of them has FAR better stats this year thus far then they did at 19. What a surprise. People are making a pretty silly argument here.

I just hope the winning continues into the playoffs. Dubas himself has admitted that he’s “learning as he goes”. When he was making all those very VERY stupid mistakes, people like me called him out.
Looks like maybe he really has finally learned, adjusted, and put a team together thats getting results. Hopefully it continues, especially into the playoffs.
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The funny thing is the babs and lou show made sure those kids stats were as bad as possible by completely underutilizing them.

Lou had the best collection of ELC talent in all of hockey while he was here. Making excuses for his epic mismanagement of the acres of capspace he had is a joke.
 
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Dubas has been good at finding valuable players in general with its through UFA, drafting, other leagues etc. His trades are little underwhelming especially the Barrie one.

But I feel his asset retention is not one of his strength imo.
- Losing JVR, Bozak , Gardiner, Mchilliney among others for nothing hurts.
- Marner, Matthews def not taking any discounts hurts.

His approach regarding Andersen and Morgan Reilly is a huge point for our team and the fact that Dubas and mgmt haven't already made a decision on them is concerning.
 
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ChickenMcNugget said:
Dubas has been good at finding valuable players in general with its through UFA, drafting, other leagues etc. His trades are little underwhelming especially the Barrie one.

But I feel his asset retention is not one of his strength imo.
- Losing JVR, Bozak , Gardiner, Mchilliney among others for nothing hurts.
- Marner, Matthews def not taking any discounts hurts.

His approach regarding Andersen and Morgan Reilly is a huge point for our team and the fact that Dubas and mgmt haven't already made a decision on them is concerning.
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Lou was GM for JVR, Bozak. And in fairness to both guys, it's tough to sell of strong upcoming UFAs for futures when you are a playoff team.
And I feel his trades aside from the Kadri deal are very strong. Hyman, Kapnanen, Muzzin, Sandin
 
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ChickenMcNugget said:
Dubas has been good at finding valuable players in general with its through UFA, drafting, other leagues etc. His trades are little underwhelming especially the Barrie one.

But I feel his asset retention is not one of his strength imo.
- Losing JVR, Bozak , Gardiner, Mchilliney among others for nothing hurts.
- Marner, Matthews def not taking any discounts hurts.

His approach regarding Andersen and Morgan Reilly is a huge point for our team and the fact that Dubas and mgmt haven't already made a decision on them is concerning.
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He's never going to be selling at any deadline in the foreseeable future.
 
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ChickenMcNugget said:
Dubas has been good at finding valuable players in general with its through UFA, drafting, other leagues etc. His trades are little underwhelming especially the Barrie one.

But I feel his asset retention is not one of his strength imo.
- Losing JVR, Bozak , Gardiner, Mchilliney among others for nothing hurts.
- Marner, Matthews def not taking any discounts hurts.

His approach regarding Andersen and Morgan Reilly is a huge point for our team and the fact that Dubas and mgmt haven't already made a decision on them is concerning.
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Lou was the GM during JVR and Bozak.
Also good teams don't sell their FA's at the deadline. Also Dubas is a good trader. One questionable trade which wasn't even that bad doesn't hide that. The Hyman, Muzzin, Kapanen trades were fantastic.
 
The fact that we have thread titles on this board called "why isn't Sandin getting a better shot" is a testament to the depth that KD has orchestrated. And we aren't even talking about Lilly much to boot. when was the last time we even had a burning desire to get our 7-9th defensemen minutes? I can recall almost 20 years where we didn't even have 6 NHL defensemen on our roster.
 
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stickty111 said:
Lou was the GM during JVR and Bozak.
Also good teams don't sell their FA's at the deadline. Also Dubas is a good trader. One questionable trade which wasn't even that bad doesn't hide that. The Hyman, Muzzin, Kapanen trades were fantastic.
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If you look at this from just the positions they play, Dubas ended up replacing Bozak at Centre with Tavares. So I think everyone will agree that was an upgrade.
 
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LeafsNation75 said:
If you look at this from just the positions they play, Dubas ended up replacing Bozak at Centre with Tavares. So I think everyone will agree that was an upgrade.
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And Bozak was 100% staying it seems if Tavares did not sign. Bozak pretty much admitted that on the radio right after he left.
 
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