Dubas appreciation thread

[zeke]

He also added Clifford just last season

Year 2 changes:

OUT: Gardiner, Hainsey
IN: Barrie, Ceci

OUT: Kadri, Brown, Marleau, Lindholm, Ennis
IN: Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Spezza, Clifford, Engvall


Year 3 Changes:

OUT: Barrie, Ceci
IN: Brodie, Bogosian, Lehtonen, Hutton

OUT: Kapanen, Johnsson, Clifford, Gauthier, Moore, Timashov
IN: Foligno, Galchenyuk, Simmonds, Thornton, Nash, Vesey, Boyd, Barabanov

 

[zeke]

Team Inherited -----> Team Dubas

* = ELC

Matthews* 20 ------> Matthews 23
Marner* 20 ---------> Marner 23
Nylander* 21 ------> Nylander 24

Kadri 30 -------------> Tavares 30
Hyman 25 ----------> Hyman 28
VanRiemsdyk 28 -> Galchenyuk 26

Bozak 31 ------------> Kerfoot 26
Marleau 38 --------> Foligno 33
Brown 23 -----------> Mikheyev 26

Plekanec 35 -------> Spezza 37
Kapanen* 21 --------> Robertson* 19
Johnsson* 23 ---------> Engvall 24

Gauthier* 22 ----> Nash 31
Komarov 31 ------> Simmonds 32
Moore 37 ----------> Thornton 41


Rielly 23 ----------------> Rielly 26
Hainsey 36 ------------> Brodie 30

Gardiner 27 -----------> Muzzin 31
Zaitsev 26 --------------> Holl 28

Dermott* 21 ------------> Dermott 24
Polak 31 -----------------> Bogosian 30

Carrick 23 --------------> Hutton 27
Borgman* 22 -----------> Sandin* 20


Andersen 28 -----------> Andersen 31
McElhinney 34 -------> Campbell 28
Pickard 25 --------------> Rittich 28

 

[Dough72]

wrong. Dubas initially surrounded his star players with shifty little offensive-minded players who were so similar in size and style it was sometimes hard to tell them apart. I know this happened because I vented about it on here all the time. That you need to surround your stars with complimentary types - veterans, truculence, size, etc.

 

[ShaneFalco]

wrong. Dubas initially surrounded his star players with shifty little offensive-minded players who were so similar in size and style it was sometimes hard to tell them apart. I know this happened because I vented about it on here all the time. That you need to surround your stars with complimentary types - veterans, truculence, size, etc. And now that Dubas himself has done it I suspect the same posters suddenly love the idea and think it is super intellectual.

Show your work then - as others have done. Petan, Malgin? Guys who were depth pieces?

 

[zeke]

wrong. Dubas initially surrounded his star players with shifty little offensive-minded players who were so similar in size and style it was sometimes hard to tell them apart. I know this happened because I vented about it on here all the time. That you need to surround your stars with complimentary types - veterans, truculence, size, etc.

I listed the names he added.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Riley Nash could be activated in a few more days going just off of cap space available. I know it was said he is out until playoffs with his injury. Would like to get a more definitive timeline on his injury when he gets here

 

[Antropovsky]

So Barrie has 11 more points than Kadri this year. Kerfoot has the same amount of even strength points as Kadri (actually 1 more goal).

Hardly the fleecing people once complained over. In fact, I would say the deal now is favorable to Dubas. He really got great value in that deal.

We will see if Kadri redeems himself with a postseason like he had last season.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So Barrie has 11 more points than Kadri this year. Kerfoot has the same amount of even strength points as Kadri (actually 1 more goal).

Hardly the fleecing people once complained over. In fact, I would say the deal now is favorable to Dubas. He really got great value in that deal.

We will see if Kadri redeems himself with a postseason like he had last season.

I doubt people would complain if Barrie was playing like he did under Keefe for the entire season. He was 12th in defensive scoring after November 19th, 2019 (when Babcock was fired) and was on pace for 56 points in a full 82 game season in that stretch.

People can question if a top 4 offensive defenseman RD was really the guy we needed (and it wasn't, as evident by the fact that Dubas wanted Brodie first), but value wise that was as good as Kadri was going to get and his value has only gone down even more since then. We have a younger, cheaper, and arguably comparable player in Kerfoot now and we even have Dubas' first choice in Brodie on our team now too.

Quite frankly, I have had no issues with any trade Dubas has made until the Foligno trade. I think that was a stupid and unnecessary overpayment, and those deals often do not help as much as people think. Only 3 out of the past 10 Cup winners have made large rental moves, and they were for Kaberle and Vermette type of players, not Foligno type of players. I think 5/10 did pretty much nothing at all outside of Hutton-type moves.

People like to complain and the media does not help. Very few respectable guys out there giving their opinions and they feed into stupidity with their even more stupid hot takes.

 

[Joey Hoser]

wrong. Dubas initially surrounded his star players with shifty little offensive-minded players

Jake Muzzin and John Tavares?

 

[DarkKnight]

I doubt people would complain if Barrie was playing like he did under Keefe for the entire season. He was 12th in defensive scoring after November 19th, 2019 (when Babcock was fired) and was on pace for 56 points in a full 82 game season in that stretch.

People can question if a top 4 offensive defenseman RD was really the guy we needed (and it wasn't, as evident by the fact that Dubas wanted Brodie first), but value wise that was as good as Kadri was going to get and his value has only gone down even more since then. We have a younger, cheaper, and arguably comparable player in Kerfoot now and we even have Dubas' first choice in Brodie on our team now too.

Quite frankly, I have had no issues with any trade Dubas has made until the Foligno trade. I think that was a stupid and unnecessary overpayment, and those deals often do not help as much as people think. Only 3 out of the past 10 Cup winners have made large rental moves, and they were for Kaberle and Vermette type of players, not Foligno type of players. I think 5/10 did pretty much nothing at all outside of Hutton-type moves.

People like to complain and the media does not help. Very few respectable guys out there giving their opinions and they feed into stupidity with their even more stupid hot takes.

Keefe ended up protecting him as well, a defensive zone start was as rare as a bigfoot sighting. Even when we had injuries, Keefe was afraid to match him up and it was funny to see the vet relegated to the bench when we needed to close out a lead. Barrie looked great for 3 games after the coaching change, in the end Keefe used him exactly as the bad man did. It was like Hyman in reverse, Barrie was nobody's son.

And just to add, him dining off McDavid doesn't make me miss that marshmallow one bit, just look at our own defence this year. Barrie out, Brodie in, massive upgrade.

Last point, there wasn't a SOUL on this board arguing for a rover, one dimensional D man in the period before we got Barrie, in fact that type of player wasn't even on the radar for team needs. Then we get him and people bend over backwards to make the trade look good. To be fair though, Dubas did go after Brodie first and got his man in the end, so it's all good.

Kyle Dubas, the first perfect GM in league history apparently. And, I like the guy.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Keefe ended up protecting him as well, a defensive zone start was as rare as a bigfoot sighting. Even when we had injuries, Keefe was afraid to match him up and it was funny to see the vet relegated to the bench when we needed to close out a lead. Barrie looked great for 3 games after the coaching change, in the end Keefe used him exactly as the bad man did. It was like Hyman in reverse, Barrie was nobody's son.

And just to add, him dining off McDavid doesn't make me miss that marshmallow one bit, just look at our own defence this year. Barrie out, Brodie in, massive upgrade.

Last point, there wasn't a SOUL on this board arguing for a rover, one dimensional D man in the period before we got Barrie, in fact that type of player wasn't even on the radar for team needs. Then we get him and people bend over backwards to make the trade look good. To be fair though, Dubas did go after Brodie first and got his man in the end, so it's all good.

Kyle Dubas, the first perfect GM in league history apparently. And, I like the guy.

Definitely fair criticism. In terms of a fit based on team needs, Barrie wasn't a great one. Sure he added puck moving and mobility that the top 4 lacked on the right side but defensively was a miss.

However, one of the biggest criticisms of this trade has been the value overall of moving Kadri for Barrie/Kerfoot .. And to @SeaOfBlue's point, the value isn't as bad as was initially perceived.

Funny enough Brodie was Dubas' initially target but Kadri refused to wave for Calgary. And the Leafs still ended up with Brodie for multiple years at a reasonable cap hit.

It's definitely best that Barrie had his struggles because that allowed Dubas to get his preferred guy in the top 4 which has shown a lot of positive change in the defense. Had Barrie done well off the hop, he probably re-signs and defensively the team still is lacking.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Keefe ended up protecting him as well, a defensive zone start was as rare as a bigfoot sighting. Even when we had injuries, Keefe was afraid to match him up and it was funny to see the vet relegated to the bench when we needed to close out a lead. Barrie looked great for 3 games after the coaching change, in the end Keefe used him exactly as the bad man did. It was like Hyman in reverse, Barrie was nobody's son.

I am not disputing that, and as I said the questionable part of the deal was whether we really needed that kind of defenseman (that is the kind of defenseman he was literally in his entire career). People were saying the value was bad though and that is what made me scratch my head; the value was about as good as Kadri was getting at the time (and likely since then too).

Under Keefe, Barrie ended up playing about as well as he did in Colorado. He was always that sheltered guy who put up big numbers. Don't see why people are surprised he wasn't a defensive guy here.

 

[egd27]

So Barrie has 11 more points than Kadri this year. Kerfoot has the same amount of even strength points as Kadri (actually 1 more goal).

Hardly the fleecing people once complained over. In fact, I would say the deal now is favorable to Dubas. He really got great value in that deal.

We will see if Kadri redeems himself with a postseason like he had last season.

If it were that good a deal, Barrie wouldn't be getting points in Edmonton.

 

[Mess]

Over 1000 Dubas appreciation posts so this thread is all full, & so no more room for any more praise.

/Closed