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As of today, the Leafs have the following players who have experience playing the following positions at F. Keefe is going to have a nightmare figuring this all out :laugh:. In no particular order...

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Left Wing[/TD][TD]Center[/TD][TD]Right Wing[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Nylander*[/TD][TD]Matthews*[/TD][TD]Marner*[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Hyman*[/TD]
[TD]Tavares*[/TD][TD]Nylander[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Mikheyev*[/TD][TD]Kerfoot*[/TD][TD]Simmonds**[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Kerfoot[/TD][TD]Engvall**[/TD][TD]Spezza**[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Galchenyuk*[/TD][TD]Foligno*[/TD][TD]Hyman[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Foligno[/TD][TD]Nash***[/TD][TD]Mikheyev[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Engvall[/TD][TD]Spezza[/TD][TD]Foligno[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Barabanov**[/TD][TD]Thornton**[/TD][TD]Galchenyuk[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Robertson**[/TD][TD]Galchenyuk[/TD][TD]Barabanov[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Thornton[/TD][TD] Nylander[/TD][TD] Nash[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

*Daily game players, Nylander/Foligno after they clear protocols.
**Load managed players or players moved in and out to find the most effective line-ups for the post season.
***Post season addition/injured.

We are literally 10 deep with players who are experienced at the NHL level at each F position. This is a deep/experienced/motivated/talented group.

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Left D[/TD][TD]Right D[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Rielly[/TD][TD]Brodie[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Muzzin[/TD][TD]Holl[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Dermott[/TD][TD]Bogosian[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Sandin*[/TD][TD]Liljegren*[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Marincin[/TD][TD]Duszak[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] ?[/TD][TD] ?[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

*I would encourage they be given a few games with appropriate partners to get up to NHL speed. Give Rielly a night off and put Sandin with Brodie in the 2nd D slot. The same with Liljegren replacing Holl. They need some NHL pace of play before the end of season.
?One more addition today, please Kyle. Hopefully one who has some experience playing both sides. Appropriate names have been suggested. Make it so.

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Goaltenders[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Campbell[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Rittich[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Hutchinson[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Andersen*[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

*Expected to return during the playoffs?

I don't think anyone can complain about the team that Dubas has constructed. Talent at every position, depth, experience, some jam. It's now up to the players and coaches, and the hockey gods.
 
meefer said:
[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Goaltenders[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Campbell[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Rittich[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Hutchinson[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Andersen*[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
*Expected to return during the playoffs?
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lol no
 
The day is not over and we may yet see another piece of the puzzle be added.
Even if the roster stays as is of right now, Dubas has given Keefe all the tools he needs to deliver us a Stanley Cup. Is our lineup the most stellar in the NHL? No, it is not. However, he do have a fighting chance and it´s up to the boys on the ice to make it happen.
I believe that now we are propper and not just namesake contenders for the Lord Stanley Cup.
 
Joey Hoser said:
I am. Just laughing at the idea that Andersen is going to come back and play in the playoffs after playing bad for 2 years and not playing at all for 2 months.
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Thanks for clarifying. Makes a lot more sense then 'lol no'. I'd see what he can do over playing Hutch, glad we've got Rittich, hope Campbell stays healthy.
 
Ashdown2 said:
playoff experience.. everyone is saying that ...
foligno has never shined in the playoffs. everyone remembers him for 1 good series against the leafs . who cares. the guy has like 2 non empty net goals in his last 5 or 6 playoff series. (last 4 years)..,,

this team would be alot better with grandlund and laughton. than just 1 foligno.
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So all player have to offer is goals? Good to know. And he has had other good series than just the Leafs. I don't think you watch Foligno play at all.
 
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Leafs1991 said:
So all player have to offer is goals? Good to know. And he has had other good series than just the Leafs. I don't think you watch Foligno play at all.
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im glad i need to keep repeating myself ..
foligno is FINE hes a good pickup but not worth that price .... in reality we picked up a checking 3rd liner for a first round pick which bad asset management.

how could would a 2 player upgrade at that price feel like ?
and yes there is more to hockey than scoring goals, but not for the assets we shipped back ... you should be getting an IMPACT player at that price. Foligno is not an impact player
 
Ashdown2 said:
im glad i need to keep repeating myself ..
foligno is FINE hes a good pickup but not worth that price .... in reality we picked up a checking 3rd liner for a first round pick which bad asset management.

how could would a 2 player upgrade at that price feel like ?
and yes there is more to hockey than scoring goals, but not for the assets we shipped back ... you should be getting an IMPACT player at that price. Foligno is not an impact player
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I haven't read everything in this thread. You shouldn't expect people to.

It's not bad asset management when those are the current prices to acquire players with big cap hits that are 2nd/3rd liners. Anyone higher than that and big-time prospects would have been given up. Considering Toronto wasn't the only team giving up firsts this year and last for the same type of deals, this isn't an overpayment given the cap situations. Any other years, I'd agree with you.
 
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Leafs1991 said:
I haven't read everything in this thread. You shouldn't expect people to.

It's not bad asset management when those are the current prices to acquire players with big cap hits that are 2nd/3rd liners. Anyone higher than that and big-time prospects would have been given up. Considering Toronto wasn't the only team giving up firsts this year and last for the same type of deals, this isn't an overpayment given the cap situations. Any other years, I'd agree with you.
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we will see what the other trade players are going for but so far its not looking great ... if foligno is the highest price paid for a player by a longshot then very clear an overpayment

in the end i still think getting multiple players would have fixed 2 issues in this lineup and would have been a better asset management move.
imagine laughton and grandlund for the same price we paid for only foligno ? its crazy pants the price foligno went for.
 
Ashdown2 said:
we will see what the other trade players are going for but so far its not looking great ... if foligno is the highest price paid for a player by a longshot then very clear an overpayment

in the end i still think getting multiple players would have fixed 2 issues in this lineup and would have been a better asset management move.
imagine laughton and grandlund for the same price we paid for only foligno ? its crazy pants the price foligno went for.
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Have you seen what Savard went price wise? It's very similar as well. Ideally, any other year that would be an overpayment but considering the circumstances with the cap space, it isn't.
 
Thank you thank you thank you
GM of year baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now finish it off and get us da big O ... don't worry about people who will be pissed with da overpay - who cares about them ... getter done baby
 
Leafs1991 said:
Have you seen what Savard went price wise? It's very similar as well. Ideally, any other year that would be an overpayment but considering the circumstances with the cap space, it isn't.
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well yeah ... the exact same price ... lol
i would table that a top 4 dman is worth more than and 3rd line winger and yet the price was identical.

its overpayment however you slice it ... adding the argument about eating cap still doesnt justify it when the player is really overpaid compared to his cap. in reality it makes it worse because hen a player is overpaid usually the compensation is less because of the cap implications.
 
Ashdown2 said:
playoff experience.. everyone is saying that ...
foligno has never shined in the playoffs. everyone remembers him for 1 good series against the leafs . who cares. the guy has like 2 non empty net goals in his last 5 or 6 playoff series. (last 4 years)..,,

this team would be alot better with grandlund and laughton. than just 1 foligno.
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Practically nobody agrees with this take likely.
 
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I think he’s addressed the needs pretty well.
We don’t need a hall, we have Matthews Marner nylander and Tavares what we need is depth and an element we lack for the playoffs; sandpaper
Added some sandpaper and a good defensive forward in foligno, think we overpaid a bit, but it is what it is, gotta go big or go home
Added depth, Rittich forces hutch to his rightful place at 4(3 with Andersen out for the season). ben Hutton is good 6/7 dman
Got a spot for Robertson with barabanov being gone
I think he’s done pretty well
 
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Well the next 2 drafts will only leave the Leafs with 3 picks each.Whats the scouting department going to do?
 
Shooter14 said:
Well the next 2 drafts will only leave the Leafs with 3 picks each.Whats the scouting department going to do?
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Bring a lot of coffee to the draft. A LOT.
They are going to need it.

As for Dubas, i have to praise him. It would seem he finally recognizes the need for sandpaper and leadership to gel with a talented roster and he has been delivering, slowly but surely. As for this TDL:
We needed a gritty experienced forward, check.
We needed a backup goalie, check.
We (sorda) needed some defensive depth, check. Is this Marincin´s swan song? Hope so.

The roster is looking better today than a few days ago. No glaring weaknesses, and alround solid choices for Keefe to work with. Dubas did his job well and gifted the team more tools to succeed.
It´s up to the coach and the boys on the ice to deliver the goods. This is the best chance we have had in decades. Make it count and make us proud!
 
I appreciate how ruthlessly efficient he is at plugging holes on this roster since losing in the bubble to now.

Offseason needs at the end of last season:

Top Four Defenseman: Check
Grit throughout the lineup: Check
Goaltending Depth: Check (even if waivers f***ed us)
Veteran Leadership: Check
Bolster Prospect Pool: Check

Trade Deadline Needs:

Middle 6 Forward: Check
Defensive Depth: Check
Goaltending Depth: Check
Defensive minded players: Check
More Grit: Check


His recognition and execution for this roster has been clinical. Canadian Division is ours to lose at this point.
 
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Well not the big swing I was expecting and hoping for.

But very well done by an asset management standpoint.

We got a true grit top 9 forward, goalie depth and defensive depth without giving up any prospects in the pipeline.

It's an A for Dubas.

The first was steep but that was the market, plus retaining such salary. The draft will be a crapshoot this year anyways.

We can compete for a cup with this roster, and the future prospects are still in the cupboards with Lil, Sandin, Amirov and Robertson.

Very well done.
 
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