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Menzinger said:
GMs often have to to go to their ownership boards or their representatives to get approval for major financial decisions.

Polie in Nashville for example needed to get approval before matching that Flyers offersheet on Weber a few years ago.

Id say firing a coach making 6 mil a year would qualify for that.
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Also keep in mind Shanny basically hired Babcock initially. Makes sense that he has the final call on his firing.
 
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Babcock looks REALLY bad in retrospect. I know there were certain complaints, but refusing to play Matthews and Marner together ever, scratching Holl for 2 seasons when a good RH D was our #1 Need, and style was play, Matthews playing so little when he was the NHLs best 5 on 5 scorer, looks so moronic. He might not get another sniff at coaching just because of how he coached, nothing to do with his stuff behind the scenes.
Babcock coached the team like it was a pre expansion Vegas team with 0 talent.
 
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rumman said:
Are you implying that this superstar GM cannot make team decisions without the president’s okay, and if so is he really a legit GM or just Shanahan’s puppet?
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Just because somebody doesn't come in and instantly fire an organizational hire signed for tens of millions of dollars over multiple years, right after their best season under the core, that does not make them a "puppet". :facepalm:
Hasn’t handled the goalie position well either, luck has nothing to do with it imo.
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He's handled the goalie position just fine. Hutchinson having the worst season of his career, and Andersen deteriorating has nothing to do with him.
 
rumman said:
GM’s usually hire their own coaches, why didn’t he replace Babcock earlier, it was obvious they weren’t on the same page? Hasn’t handled the goalie position well either, luck has nothing to do with it imo.
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Pretty clear his hands were tied with Babcock. He brought in Keefe to the Marlies for good reason.

Also I can't blame him for Fred's play falling off last year.

The backup goalies are a legit criticism...though tbh I still think sparks over McElhinney was the right choice at the time. And now of course he has a good one in Campbell.
 
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RogerR said:
I hate stuff like this. Look at the improvement in the prospect pool and team's performance. You can compliment him now. We are set up nicely for a long time
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Dubas has stick handled around the cap very nicely this year with the acquisitions of Simmonds, Bogo, Boyd, and Jumbo. If Leafs do not fall off a cliff he should be in the running with the Panthers GM.
 
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zeke said:
Pretty clear his hands were tied with Babcock. He brought in Keefe to the Marlies for good reason.

Also I can't blame him for Fred's play falling off last year.

The backup goalies are a legit criticism...though tbh I still think sparks over McElhinney was the right choice at the time. And now of course he has a good one in Campbell.
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I just look at it like if he had to make the choice again, he should still do it the same way. Binnington was the same age and was doing worse than Sparks in the AHL and look at what happened with him. McElhinney also fell back to earth fast, even though Sparks fell off hard at the end.

If Sparks had our current defense, or even last year's defense, he probably looks better than McElhinney has looked in Tampa and half of his Carolina stint.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
I just look at it like if he had to make the choice again, he should still do it the same way. Binnington was the same age and was doing worse than Sparks in the AHL and look at what happened with him. McElhinney also fell back to earth fast, even though Sparks fell off hard at the end.

If Sparks had our current defense, or even last year's defense, he probably looks better than McElhinney has looked in Tampa and half of his Carolina stint.
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I want a GM bet on youth in most times like this, especially guys developed by the team.

It ended up being the wrong call, and in turn Dubas does deserve some criticism for it. BUT those are the kinds of mistakes I dont mind seeing.
 
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It's arguable that the Leafs should have at least one series win under their belt under Dubas, but a stubborn and vindictive coach sabotaged the team in 2019, playing an injured Hyman on the PK, forcing the likes of Marleau and Brown onto the ice in the final minutes when down by a goal, underplaying our most prolific scorers. The pettiness and stupidity extended beforehand and afterwards too, but that's where it was it's most damaging. And as a result we have to keep hearing "hur dur haven't one a playoff round" from mouth breathers whose teams got through their first/opening round matchups facing butter soft matchups compared to us.
 
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Jimmy Firecracker said:
It's arguable that the Leafs should have at least one series win under their belt under Dubas, but a stubborn and vindictive coach sabotaged the team in 2019, playing an injured Hyman on the PK, forcing the likes of Marleau and Brown onto the ice in the final minutes of a tie game, underplaying our most prolific scorers. The pettiness and stupidity extended beforehand and afterwards too, but that's where it was it's most damaging. And as a result we have to keep hearing "hur dur haven't one a playoff round" from mouth breathers whose teams got through their first/opening round matchups facing butter soft matchups compared to us.
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I recall Hyman taking faceoffs when he was clearly hurt and getting easily beat by Bergeron and I recall overplaying Marleau and underplaying the stars but I do not recall which game was tied in the last minute.

Anyway sure Babs can be blamed for the 2019 loss to the Bruins, but he sure wasn't to blame for the loss to Torts. Please do not tell me we ran into a godlike goalie because that is what happens in the playoffs, goalies play well. The cream rises to the top but Elvis and Korpi are hardly cream material.
 
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ToneDog said:
I recall Hyman taking faceoffs when he was clearly hurt and getting easily beat by Bergeron and I recall overplaying Marleau and underplaying the stars but I do not recall which game was tied in the last minute.

Anyway sure Babs can be blamed for the 2019 loss to the Bruins, but he sure wasn't to blame for the loss to Torts. Please do not tell me we ran into a godlike goalie because that is what happens in the playoffs, goalies play well. The cream rises to the top but Elvis and Korpi are not exactly cream material.
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My bad, I misspoke. I meant "down by one in the final minutes."
 
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ToneDog said:
I recall Hyman taking faceoffs when he was clearly hurt and getting easily beat by Bergeron and I recall overplaying Marleau and underplaying the stars but I do not recall which game was tied in the last minute.

Anyway sure Babs can be blamed for the 2019 loss to the Bruins, but he sure wasn't to blame for the loss to Torts. Please do not tell me we ran into a godlike goalie because that is what happens in the playoffs, goalies play well. The cream rises to the top but Elvis and Korpi are hardly cream material.
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Well, the leafs outplayed the BJs.

So it's either that their goalie was super hot or our shooters choked or it was some extreme bad luck or maybe a combination of those.
 
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zeke said:
Well, the leafs outplayed the BJs.

So it's either that their goalie was super hot or our shooters choked or it was some extreme bad luck or maybe a combination of those.
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If you lose the series, you technically didn’t “outplay” the victor of the series...........
 
zeke said:
Well, the leafs outplayed the BJs.

So it's either that their goalie was super hot or our shooters choked or it was some extreme bad luck or maybe a combination of those.
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We lost because we weren’t ready yet to win in terms of hard work and commitment and not having the right mixture as I believe we do now with the exception of replacing 26 and 15
Not that they are the problem , but we desperately need a strong 3rd line centre
 
zeke said:
Well, the leafs outplayed the BJs.

So it's either that their goalie was super hot or our shooters choked or it was some extreme bad luck or maybe a combination of those.
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If there was anybody to blame I would say our shooters although Korpi did make a couple of unbelieveable saves. Other than Matty not many played above their pay grades. I don't even blame Andy for his faux pas because with our offence he should not have to pitch a shutout.
 
rumman said:
If you lose the series, you technically didn’t “outplay” the victor of the series...........
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Why do you have to be so intentionally difficult? It happens every week in the NHL where a team dominates their opponent and loses, happens every year in the playoffs as well. This isn’t some unique Leaf fan phenomenon.

The Leafs dominated everything but goaltending stats. CBJ won, but the Leafs were the better team. No, a moral victory doesn’t make it any better. But you don’t have to be controversial 100% of the time and can admit what was obvious to almost everyone.
 
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