Dubas appreciation thread

[sparxx87]

Yes, GM’s are just chomping at the bit for a guy with 0 goals and 4 points in 22 games... at $3M cap hit. For sure.

Having a 4th liner who’s producing like an AHLer, but is getting top line minutes, says a lot about the Islanders for all the wrong reasons.

Did you read the article? How many Islanders games have you actually watched this year?

The stat they’re interested in is zero, as in zero es goals surrendered in 8 games.

They value Komorov. It doesn’t matter what you think.

 

[ACC1224]

I wouldn’t give two shits about Lou if certain fans on here didn’t act like he was God’s gift to the franchise.

I guess I’ve missed those posts.
I’ve only seen the Dubas brigade being him up as a way to prop up his accomplishments. IMO, He can stand on his own, he’s done a decent enough job.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

But it means he is because you say so? What about what Barry Trotz thinks? He sees value in Komorov’s ability to move up and down the lineup, and has taken advantage of it since their captain went down.

You don’t have to see the value in him. They do, and it’s working for them.

Barry Trotz and Lou think he is overpaid for what he brings. It's not because I say so, it's proven in the fact that they waived him. And then no one wanted him for free. Because he isn't valuable. He is an overpaid replacement-level player. QED

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Calgary and Vancouver were playoff teams before, and actually have won rounds when they were in their original division. Now that they're stuck in a much better division in the North they aren't even qualifying.

Anyone remember "the Atlantic is weak, Toronto would get eaten alive in the West"?

Toronto gets in a division with the West "yeah well their division sucks, how would they do in a division with Tampa and Boston"?

Herpity derpity derp....

 

[Twine Tickler]

when looking at the strength of division and how easy is it to accumulate points. I look at the 2 bottom place teams in each division to determine what division has the most amount of "easy games"

Central:
CBJ (14-18-8)
DET (13-22-5)

East:
NJ (13-17-6)
BUF (8-23-6)

North:
CGY (16-21-3)
OTT (13-22-4)

West:
LA (14-17-6)
ANA (11-21-7)

I'd rather the Leafs play 8 games each against any of those bottom feeder teams over CGY and OTT. The North division might be the only Division in Hockey that has no guaranteed wins. COL can play their C+ game and still beat ANA. WSH could be up all night and be hung titty on game day and still wax BUF any day of the week. We are a very good team, in a good division.

 

[sparxx87]

Barry Trotz and Lou think he is overpaid for what he brings. It's not because I say so, it's proven in the fact that they waived him. And then no one wanted him for free. Because he isn't valuable. He is an overpaid replacement-level player. QED

Is Jason Spezza overpaid for what he brings? He was on waivers as a cap maneuver.

Komorov is valuable enough to be on the top line of the 7th place team. I wouldn’t expect someone with ‘replacement level’ in their vocabulary to understand. It just won’t compute with you.

 

[Bloomberg]

If the Leafs came out of the North, the two teams I'd least want to meet are the Islanders and the Canes.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Is Jason Spezza overpaid for what he brings?

I knew you were going to compare Komarov to Spezza Show me where Komarov said he was going to retire if claimed.

This is such a weird hill to die on, man. If this is where you end up while trying to credit Lou and criticize Dubas, then what a great job Dubas is doing. Not gonna spend any more time trying to get someone to understand that a $3m fringe-roster guy who cleared waivers is a bad contract

 

[sparxx87]

I knew you were going to compare Komarov to Spezza Show me where Komarov said he was going to retire if claimed.

This is such a weird hill to die on, man. If this is where you end up while trying to credit Lou and criticize Dubas, then what a great job Dubas is doing. Not gonna spend any more time trying to get someone to understand that a $3m fringe-roster guy who cleared waivers is a bad contract

I’m not dying on any hill, I’m just refuting that idea that Komorov is the worthless player some have painted him as. Decaying was the word, specifically.

I haven’t given an opinion on his cap hit, I don’t like it either... but Lamoriello and the Islanders are fine with it because they signed it. Right now, he’s spent 8 games on their top line. That’s not a worthless player. He’s someone they value, even if nobody else does. They don’t care what you or I, or any other team thinks. He’s working for them. They had at least 9 other forwards to promote when Lee went down. They chose him. That tells you all you need to know about their perspective on Leo Komorov.

 

[zeke]

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Lamoriello and the Islanders are fine with it because they signed it.

It's even worse to consider that if Lou could go back in time, he'd sign him to it again. So happy that's not my GM, or a player that would make my team anymore.

By the way: Invaluable replacement-level players play on top lines all the time, coaches do this to try and spread offence to other lines. That doesn't make the filler a better hockey player than if they played on the 4th with players that are more of their ilk.

 

[Twine Tickler]

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can you put up COL and TB as a reference as well? Just seems like some on here are a little dickhard about those 2 teams. Might be a good reference point

 

[Bomber0104]

can you put up COL and TB as a reference as well? Just seems like some on here are a little dickhard about those 2 teams. Might be a good reference point

It's actually a meaningless reference point.

There's 4 divisions operating in complete isolation from each other.

You may as well be comparing the Leafs to KHL teams.

 

[Twine Tickler]

It's actually a meaningless reference point.

There's 4 divisions operating in complete isolation from each other.

You may as well be comparing the Leafs to KHL teams.

I totally recognize that, I don't find the data to be useful at all myself. I am saying because most seem to think we cannot compete with these teams, that maybe some sort of reference. Albeit inaccurate. Its definitely not like comparing NHL to KHL, but I understand what you're saying. I have said the same things to people on here as well. Comparing stats outside of the division is mostly useless, but at the end of the day each of the 31 teams faces NHL talent every night. Not the same NHL talent, but NHL talent nonetheless.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You may as well be comparing the Leafs to KHL teams.

Man, the wild exaggerations for a fairly negligible difference have reached a whole new level.

 

[sparxx87]

It's even worse to consider that if Lou could go back in time, he'd sign him to it again. So happy that's not my GM, or a player that would make my team anymore.

By the way: Invaluable replacement-level players play on top lines all the time, coaches do this to try and spread offence to other lines. That doesn't make the filler a better hockey player than if they played on the 4th with players that are more of their ilk.

Except Lou went to the final 4 last year and won GM of the year, so what does that say about your ability to assess value? His decisions have played out well on the ice while you’re just a fan on the internet with an opinion not supported in reality.

You’re too focused on the cap hit and dismiss why they paid him that in the first place. Again, this stuff just won’t compute with you, I get it.

Good day.

 

[ACC1224]

If the Leafs came out of the North, the two teams I'd least want to meet are the Islanders and the Canes.

Will the Isles even make the playoffs? I was told Lou was driving them into the ground.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Except Lou went to the final 4 last year and won GM of the year, so what does that say about your ability to assess value? His decisions have played out well on the ice while you’re just a fan on the internet with an opinion not supported in reality.

You’re too focused on the cap hit and dismiss why they paid him that in the first place. Again, this stuff just won’t compute with you, I get it.

Good day.

Ah yes, appeal to the popularity club. The cry of the clueless.

 

[zeke]

can you put up COL and TB as a reference as well? Just seems like some on here are a little dickhard about those 2 teams. Might be a good reference point

Avs are legit scary.

TBay a bit flawed but should be back up with kucherov back.

Dubas is gonna have to use this deadline to improve to match up.

 

[sparxx87]

Ah yes, appeal to the popularity club. The cry of the clueless.

popularity has nothing to do with winning in the playoffs. You can’t argue success, but there will be some ‘clueless’ enough to try.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

popularity has nothing to do with winning in the playoffs. You can’t argue success, but there will be some ‘clueless’ enough to try.

What a world to live in. A world where every GM whose team wins each year is the new best GM because you can't argue success. Every year there is a new best GM. Such interesting insight from such a knowledgable fan.

 

[Twine Tickler]

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Avs are legit scary.

TBay a bit flawed but should be back up with kucherov back.

Dubas is gonna have to use this deadline to improve to match up.

ya the Avs are no joke. But anything can happen in a 7 game series. If I were a betting man they'd obviously be my pick. But you'd have to consider the Leafs a top 4 contender this year. Hopefully we catch lightning in a bottle

 

[sparxx87]

What a world to live in. A world where every GM whose team wins each year is the new best GM because you can't argue success. Every year there is a new best GM. Such interesting insight from such a knowledgable fan.

Nobody said that, and the Islanders didn’t win so what are you talking about?

Knowledgeable fan? Don’t get ahead of yourself - you’re still confused as to why some players get paid more than their stats may suggest they should.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Nobody said that, and the Islanders didn’t win so what are you talking about?

Knowledgeable fan? Don’t get ahead of yourself - you’re still confused as to why some players get paid more than their stats may suggest they should.

And so are you, you can't even explain it. All you can offer is "Well Lou won GM of the year". Very interesting!

 

[Menzinger]

Only you would think that’s a good thing. He wasted two years moving out most of the leadership and intensity only to miss the playoffs last year, then come out to the media and acknowledge his team is lacking those things and that he’s still learning the basics.

The previous leadership group didn't exactly lead the team anywhere in the postseason. Seems logical to want to try out some new people in that role.

When things aren't working, you need to fix them