They inherited programs that were mostly built. You’re technically right but much context is required and I know you know this, even if you’re not interested in being completely honest about it right now.
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Ladd and Boychuk (who Lamoriello didn’t sign) cost them Toews. Most seem to agree he did well to sustain the team with the Garth Snow inflicted cap crunch he experienced this offseason.
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His narrative seems to be "time will tell", seems reasonable to me. Perhaps you misread his post?
Is it also worth noting that NYI is in a virtual tie with us near the top of the standings, even after losing their best player to us without getting anything in return?
Much context, like literally being hired by Yzerman to be his right hand within weeks of starting the job and playing a huge role in building his "inheritance" for the 8 years prior.
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Ladd and Boychuk, not Komarov and Martin? He knew he had Ladd and Boychuk when he chose to sign decaying 4th liners to long-term deals.
Without knowing his specific contribution it’s hard to give credit, no? I mean, life of an assistant can vary dramatically. Yzerman was the decision maker so unless I have more to go on, I give him credit for building the house that Brisebois finished off.
Decaying 4th liners? Matt Martin has more goals than half the Leaf forwards, and Komorov brings value in intangible qualities that are tough to quantify on any stat sheet you just googled. He’s certainly making a lot for what he brings, but those contributions were deemed important to his team that made it all the way to the conference finals.
Theory is great, but success on the ice is what really matters... even if it doesn’t make sense on your spreadsheet.
Sought him out directly and hired him away from another organization, organization excelled at his areas of expertise and responsibility, the moves his finger prints are undeniably on were excellent, long talked about about a potential GM hire, handed the key's without a second thought towards going outside the org:
"Without being in the room I have to assume that he just pased canapes and looked after Stevie's social schedule"
Hahaha and you call me dishonest.
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Ok that's why Komarov was a healthy scratch in the playoffs, makes sense.
Why don't they need his intangibles this year? They seem to be doing ok without them. Maybe he's bringing 3.5 mil worth of intangibles from the pressbox that my silly little spreadsheet can't account for.
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Komarov has also been waived three times this season alone, and is a likely buyout candidate (again) unless Lou ponies up and entices Seattle with picks and prospects. Great situation!
Which are?
I called you dishonest for twisting what I said into something I wasn’t saying. You just did it again by suggesting I see Brisebois as Yzerman’s secretary. I didn’t say that, nor did I imply it but here you are writing it anyway. Do you have a better word than dishonesty for it?
He wasn’t, actually. He was wearing a birdcage due to injury but was never healthy scratched in the playoffs.
Don’t make things up.
once you catch these guys flat out lying in a back and forth on here, just walk away
Cap maneuvering with a contract they know is unlikely to get claimed.
At least two of the times he was on waivers he was in the lineup the next night.
Does anyone here actually watch the Islanders? Seems like most just look at the box score and headlines.
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I don't think it's fair to compare Dubas with Lou. They clearly have very different philosophies on how to build a hockey team. Players like Matt Martin and Leo Komarov who we let go are now contributing on Lou's team. Martin has 6 goals already this year, lol. Lou created a 105 point Leafs team and is now creating a contender with the Islanders, so I don't see how you can argue with the results.
I think Dubas is still figuring things out. The first year, he created a highly offensive, but soft team and it didn't work well. This year, he bought in Simmonds, Brodie, Bogosian, Thorton and it's a step in the right direction. Dubas is still evolving as a rookie GM, but he was handed a very good team to start, so mistakes are very glaring. So far, I'd say he's been average, I didn't like the contracts he signed the big 3 to, I didn't like the Kadri trade and I'm not sure if the "draft for skill, trade for size" will work out, but I do like the Muzzin trade, getting Campbell, stealing Robertson, signing Brodie. I think this season and next season will define him as a GM. What he'll do at this deadline, what happens to Hyman and Rielly's contract and what he does in the offseason.
I think Dubas is still figuring things out. The first year, he created a highly offensive, but soft team and it didn't work well. This year, he bought in Simmonds, Brodie, Bogosian, Thorton and it's a step in the right direction. Dubas is still evolving as a rookie GM, but he was handed a very good team to start, so mistakes are very glaring. So far, I'd say he's been average, I didn't like the contracts he signed the big 3 to, I didn't like the Kadri trade and I'm not sure if the "draft for skill, trade for size" will work out, but I do like the Muzzin trade, getting Campbell, stealing Robertson, signing Brodie. I think this season and next season will define him as a GM. What he'll do at this deadline, what happens to Hyman and Rielly's contract and what he does in the offseason.
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so does the Dubas fan club in here have him already a HOF GM yet?
Nah, that's a bit of a lofty expectation.
Being just a little bit better than the former Leafs GM / current Islanders GM is apparently the benchmark.
Their internal cap structure and maneuvering has been excellent. The minor league affiliates and player development have been fantastic. Yanni Gourde. Everything public about their working relationships speaks to how close it was and how much influence JBB has had over the last decade.
Haha so what were you implying?
You're not discrediting him, but also he get's no credit. Which is it?
You didn't see him as a secretary, but assume that he played no major role in building the team over the last decade. What did he do for 8 years?
What have I twisted? Did you or did you not throw out an open challenge to name ONE successful general manager that didn't at least play CHL (implied, you actually said Junior) or NCAA?
Did I or did I not provide 3? (4 if you don't count Doug Armstrong's pedestrian Tier II career as "higher level hockey") (5 if you allow NHL legend, hall of famer and 9 time cup champion Sam pollock)
Have you or have you not been trying to explain how recent cup winning GM's are not in fact "successful"?
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Komarov has done f*** all to the point to where he's been a buyout candidate the past two seasons and waiver fodder for this one, and again - Dubas didn't inherit shit when his tenure with the Leafs organization predates Lou's, and the latter did nothing to address the blueline issues, unless you want to call Hainsey and Zaitsev long-term solutions.
Lou oversaw a consensus first overall pick in Matthews, the Andersen trade, two first round exits, and some mediocre drafts. Praise him I guess.
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Komarov putting on the hits for Islanders
Here is the actual story - Trotz had him in the top 12 fwds but injury limited his camp coming back from COVID stoppage.
Komarov putting on the hits for Islanders
Here is the actual story - Trotz had him in the top 12 fwds but injury limited his camp coming back from COVID stoppage.
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That’s all great, without knowing his position on transactions and personnel decisions, it’s hard to evaluate anyone but the guy who made the decisions. Everyone in the organization deserves credit for a championship, I just don’t know how to cut and portion the cake without knowing specific roles in specific and pivotal decisions. I’m not sure why that’s so difficult to understand? That seems like common sense to me.
I never said yes or no, I said I don’t know, and neither do you, really.
I expected that you and others would connect the dots that I was referring to building a program, not taking the wheel on the last lap.
I find those with marginal success like Armstrong to sometimes be the best suited because they got there/stayed there with their brain and work ethic, they weren’t there on natural talent.
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Lou also locked Kadri and Rielly in for 6 years at 4.5M and 5M, respectively. For the drafts, I'm not sure who had the call in those. It felt like a combination of Dubas and Hunter. I'm not sure about the trading back strategy... we traded back to get Dermott, but missed out on Konecny, and when Dubas was the GM, we traded back to get Sandin, missing out on Dominik Bokk, Jacob Bernard Docker, and Nils Lundkvist. I really like Sandin, but I like the other players I mentioned too. We'll see in the future how well Dubas' drafting is.
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And people hate Lou for various dumb reasons. Life as a Leaf fan.Someone once literally said they "hate the way he adjusts his glasses for dramatic effect".
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