Confirmed with Link: Draisaitl re-signs 8y 8.5M AAV

[Cawz]

He could get better and be a consistent ppg player on his own line. He had better do exactly that because he is being paid to do that.






I think a bridge deal was in fact a better risk. I think that McDavid is more of an influence on Draisaitls game that the contract justifies.

2016-17: Draisaitl with McDavid 5×5... 2.23/60
2016-17: Draisaitl w/o McDavid 5×5.... 1.79/60.

I need to see more.

Where are those stats from (not doubting them, I was just curious and couldnt find them)?

 

[McTrashBoat]

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Surprisingly there are still people out there that are furious about it. Not so much on here but twitter goes crazy whenever its brought up.

To your point though, I think a Stanley Cup would make even Chias toughest critics forgive every questionable move he has made.

"yeah, in 6 games"


these people will always find something to ***** about

 

[Konami McDavid]

Do you guys remember at the beginning of the summer when we were being told on the mains that McD was going to cost Edmonton $14m AAV, and Drai was going to be $10m+ AAV? I feel Drai is a bit high, but I am glad that HF does not collectively negotiate contracts.

Here is to hoping that the cap goes up a fair amount in the next couple years.

 

[joestevens29]

Wow. 27 million for Lucic, Drai and McDavid. (227 pts)

That's the same price as Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Hamilton and Brodie. (258 pts)

Oilers are going to be good, especially if Pool Party shows up. But things could get tricky.

Took this from the main board. Some interesting context there. Anyway to quickly just do a top 3 paid forwards per team analysis of total points?

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Wow. 27 million for Lucic, Drai and McDavid. (227 pts)

That's the same price as Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Hamilton and Brodie. (258 pts)

Oilers are going to be good, especially if Pool Party shows up. But things could get tricky.

Took this from the main board. Some interesting context there. Anyway to quickly just do a top 3 paid forwards per team analysis of total points?

Would you trade those three for those five? Especially when you can throw some elcs' for an extra two mil and outscore them by at least 40 or 50 points.

 

[guymez]

Only 19 players got 70 points last season. Out of those 19 players only McDavid and Pastrnak are younger than Drai. Only 8 players did it in both of the last 2 seasons. I think its safe to say that IF Drai does have another 70 point season, his cap hit would be higher than what it is now.

If you want to lock up one of the leagues most productive players for his entire prime, there is a premium to pay.

I get that its a small sample size but unfortunately that was the hand that was dealt to us because of MacT and the strange way he handled him in his rookie season. That extra year of ELC would have been perfect to determine his actually value. However a decision had to be made this summer and they paid the guy who was top 10 in league and playoff scoring as a 21 year old. I think Chias hands were tied.

I appreciate the thoughtful post.

In terms of Draisaitls contract there is no guarantee how it would shake out if in fact he was to put up another couple of 70 point seasons.
I guess what it comes down to for me is that McDavids contract set the bar and then we obviously determine the pecking order below that number. The issue becomes how to slot the tiers of players that follow. I would suggest that Laine, Eichel and Matthews are in the next tier. That IMO would be the $10M+ tier. So really the question becomes is Draisaitl in this tier moving forward?

Did Chiarelli do the right thing by signing Draisaitl to this contract?
I think that your statement about there being a premium to pay is reasonable.
In keeping with that...did Draisaitl give up enough of his FA years to warrant the existing contract?

I also think that your point about how MacT handles Draisiaitl is a point worth mentioning. It really did make more of a mess of things and that is a mess Chairelli had to deal with.

The bottom line...I am not upset about the deal. I just see question marks around it? These 2 deals (McDavid and Draisaitl) guarantee that the Oilers will now have to do the same thing the Hawks have done regarding filling out the roster with value contracts.
I am especially concerned about Chiarellis ability to navigate the difficulties of a revolving roster next season and beyond and produce these value contracts. He struggles with this.
The Russell contract is just one example of why I think that concern is justified.

 

[Cawz]

Wow. 27 million for Lucic, Drai and McDavid. (227 pts)

That's the same price as Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Hamilton and Brodie. (258 pts)

Oilers are going to be good, especially if Pool Party shows up. But things could get tricky.

Took this from the main board. Some interesting context there. Anyway to quickly just do a top 3 paid forwards per team analysis of total points?

Sure. 18.275 million and 227 points for the top 3 Oiler scorers (minus Ebs).

 

[guymez]

Wow. 27 million for Lucic, Drai and McDavid. (227 pts)

That's the same price as Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Hamilton and Brodie. (258 pts)

Oilers are going to be good, especially if Pool Party shows up. But things could get tricky.

Took this from the main board. Some interesting context there. Anyway to quickly just do a top 3 paid forwards per team analysis of total points?

The bolded is exactly what I am talking about. This isnt an easy progression to a Stanley Cup.
The revolving roster door is the formula the Hawks have had to try and follow but they had at least 1 cup under their belt before this started to play out. The Oilers are having to do this already and they havent won yet.
A lot of value contracts and overachieving 1st and 2nd year players need to happen starting this season. Thats why I see RNH being shown the door this year.

 

[FlameChampion]

I wonder if LD pulled the Olympic card at any point.

I doubt it but I wouldnt be surprised if used offersheets as leverage (even though he wouldnt sign it).

 

[guymez]

Where are those stats from (not doubting them, I was just curious and couldnt find them)?

I think the sample size is too small but the numbers show a trend. I would like to see more to see how these stats really shake down.

Regarding where I got these numbers...I thought at first that it was a Copper and Blue article but I am pretty sure it was an ON article.
I read and jot down notes...read a ton lately but I think this might have been the article...

https://oilersnation.com/2017/07/11/how-do-mcdavid-and-draisaitl-compare-to-crosby-and-malkin/

 

[FlameChampion]

I appreciate the thoughtful post.

In terms of Draisaitls contract there is no guarantee how it would shake out if in fact he was to put up another couple of 70 point seasons.
I guess what it comes down to for me is that McDavids contract set the bar and then we obviously determine the pecking order below that number. The issue becomes how to slot the tiers of players that follow. I would suggest that Laine, Eichel and Matthews are in the next tier. That IMO would be the $10M+ tier. So really the question becomes is Draisaitl in this tier moving forward?

Did Chiarelli do the right thing by signing Draisaitl to this contract?
I think that your statement about there being a premium to pay is reasonable.
In keeping with that...did Draisaitl give up enough of his FA years to warrant the existing contract?

I also think that your point about how MacT handles Draisiaitl is a point worth mentioning. It really did make more of a mess of things and that is a mess Chairelli had to deal with.

The bottom line...I am not upset about the deal. I just see question marks around it? These 2 deals (McDavid and Draisaitl) guarantee that the Oilers will now have to do the same thing the Hawks have done regarding filling out the roster with value contracts.
I am especially concerned about Chiarellis ability to navigate the difficulties of a revolving roster next season and beyond and produce these value contracts. He struggles with this.
The Russell contract is just one example of why I think that concern is justified.

Is a good point. Its really hard to know at this point. Its hard to know because we dont truly know what Draitsaitl is at this point nor do we know what Matthews, Eichel and Laine are capable of. We dont know how much more upside each of them have.

I think Draitsaitl is closer to being in that tier than not at this point. I personally think Matthews is probably the best out of the four. I think Matthews is the most consistent (in terms of impact) and has a clutchness to him. Eichel is kinda a polarizing player, sometimes he isnt noticeable and sometimes he looks incredibly but generally speaking he still produces at a good clip. I think Drai is pretty similar (though they are different players), but personally I like Drai's personality and attitude better. Laine is awesome but Drai is much more versatile than him I think (different players for sure).

 

[Cawz]

I think the sample size is too small but the numbers show a trend. I would like to see more to see how these stats really shake down.

Regarding where I got these numbers...I thought at first that it was a Copper and Blue article but I am pretty sure it was an ON article.
I read and jot down notes...read a ton lately but I think this might have been the article...

https://oilersnation.com/2017/07/11/how-do-mcdavid-and-draisaitl-compare-to-crosby-and-malkin/

Ah. I was hoping for more numbers to look at. Drai had a bad stretch early in the season and then picked it up. It would be interesting to see if thats when he was moved up with McDavid, or if he was moved up becasue of it. It would also be interesting to see who he played with before McDavid, what his numbers were away from McDavid after he was paired with him (I seem to recall they were separated and he excelled, but that just going by memory), how did the other players perform (maybe its not that Drai cant drive a line like the article says, but maybe he cant drive a line with anchors on it) etc. I prefer to look at number instead of someone's presentation of the numbers.

But whatever. Thats last year anyways. 6.5 weeks and we'll see.

 

[Fourier]

Leon seemed to suggest that the number was pretty much agreed upon early but that there were "details" to iron out. Judging by the structure of the deal these details may well have been around the structure of the bonuses. His deal is very carefully structured to be lock-out proof.

The Oilers put a lot of money on the line with McDavid and Draisaitl should a lockout happen. If half a season is lost the team will be on the hook for $10M for these two to sit.

 

[Spawn]

Leon seemed to suggest that the number was pretty much agreed upon early but that there were "details" to iron out. Judging by the structure of the deal these details may well have been around the structure of the bonuses. His deal is very carefully structured to be lock-out proof.

The Oilers put a lot of money on the line with McDavid and Draisaitl should a lockout happen. If half a season is lost the team will be on the hook for $10M for these two to sit.

Do you think if enough of these lock-out proof contracts are signed around the league it will have any sort of impact on whether or not owners are willing to have a prolonged lockout during the 2020-21 season?

I'd be very interested in seeing a running tally on the amount dollars in bonuses that are going to be paid out on July 1 in 2020 before a potential lockout. Just looking at the Oilers they are going to owe: Draisaitl 7M, McDavid 12M, Lucic 3M, and Russell 1M. Twenty three million dollars is a lot of money to spend only to have a lockout.

 

[McDNicks17]

Do you think if enough of these lock-out proof contracts are signed around the league it will have any sort of impact on whether or not owners are willing to have a prolonged lockout during the 2020-21 season?

I'd be very interested in seeing a running tally on the amount dollars in bonuses that are going to be paid out on July 1 in 2020 before a potential lockout. Just looking at the Oilers they are going to owe: Draisaitl 7M, McDavid 12M, Lucic 3M, and Russell 1M. Twenty three million dollars is a lot of money to spend only to have a lockout.

I feel like I heard a lot of the UFAs around the league that signed this offseason did the same.

 

[joestevens29]

Leon seemed to suggest that the number was pretty much agreed upon early but that there were "details" to iron out. Judging by the structure of the deal these details may well have been around the structure of the bonuses. His deal is very carefully structured to be lock-out proof.

The Oilers put a lot of money on the line with McDavid and Draisaitl should a lockout happen. If half a season is lost the team will be on the hook for $10M for these two to sit.

Meh is that really a bad thing? If you have the owner to pay for it now do it now. If an owner dies in a few years and the new owner doesn't spend the money isn't it better for the fans if the costs are paid now? We are probably okay, but as a fan I rather pay as much of a contract now while the ownership is willing to. Who knows what tomorrow holds.

 

[Fourier]

Do you think if enough of these lock-out proof contracts are signed around the league it will have any sort of impact on whether or not owners are willing to have a prolonged lockout during the 2020-21 season?

I'd be very interested in seeing a running tally on the amount dollars in bonuses that are going to be paid out on July 1 in 2020 before a potential lockout. Just looking at the Oilers they are going to owe: Draisaitl 7M, McDavid 12M, Lucic 3M, and Russell 1M. Twenty three million dollars is a lot of money to spend only to have a lockout.

Its a big advantage for rich teams. And it will be another wedge issue between rich vs poor teams I am sure. You can bet that the Leafs will look to do the same. Frankly, it is a good investment for Katz if it means the team is successful.

 

[Fourier]

Meh is that really a bad thing? If you have the owner to pay for it now do it now. If an owner dies in a few years and the new owner doesn't spend the money isn't it better for the fans if the costs are paid now? We are probably okay, but as a fan I rather pay as much of a contract now while the ownership is willing to. Who knows what tomorrow holds.

Honestly, I have no interest in saving Katz money. I am 100% fine with every Oiler player having a lockout proof deal if it means a better chance of them winning.

 

[NeverForget06]

Honestly, I have no interest in saving Katz money. I am 100% fine with every Oiler player having a lockout proof deal if it means a better chance of them winning.

lockout proofing contracts = more winning (theoretically) = more playoffs! = more $$ for Katz

 

[nabob]

Wouldn't Tarasenko be the guy that set the standard?

He's the best goal scorer in the league and got $7.5M. He also is an incredibly strong 2 way player. He set the standard at $7.5, Drai eclipsed that by a decent margin.

 

[nabob]

So Draisaitl was more productive playing along side the best player in the league(world)? What amazing insight.

You act as if he produced at twice or three times the rate with McDavid v. without.

That's a 25% higher rate. It's a substantial increase. The difference between a 65 point player and a Ppg.

 

[nabob]

There's a rule in hockey and basketball.

Overpay the elites, don't overpay the middle class.

Even if one thinks this is an over payment, Draisatl is elite.

Hockey and Basketball don't have even remotely similar salary structures. Basketball is essentially a 3 man team for the most part. Hockey requires at least 15 solid contributors every game.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

That's a 25% higher rate. It's a substantial increase. The difference between a 65 point player and a Ppg.

You mean the amount you would expect from playing with the best player in the league?

I again, I understand, but I fail to see how it's an indictment on Draisaitl v. proof the McDavid is just the best and he and Draisaitl have significant chemistry.

 

[rboomercat90]

Do you think if enough of these lock-out proof contracts are signed around the league it will have any sort of impact on whether or not owners are willing to have a prolonged lockout during the 2020-21 season?

I'd be very interested in seeing a running tally on the amount dollars in bonuses that are going to be paid out on July 1 in 2020 before a potential lockout. Just looking at the Oilers they are going to owe: Draisaitl 7M, McDavid 12M, Lucic 3M, and Russell 1M. Twenty three million dollars is a lot of money to spend only to have a lockout.

That is a pretty interesting question. Something that wasn't really in play that much the last time. We'll find out in a few years, I guess.

 

[oilinger]

Ah. I was hoping for more numbers to look at. Drai had a bad stretch early in the season and then picked it up. It would be interesting to see if thats when he was moved up with McDavid, or if he was moved up becasue of it.

Drai was moved to the McDavid line in January not because of his own numbers but because of McDavid's numbers.

McDavid in December: 1-5-6 in 14 games at even strength, with 0 even strength points at home.

Drai's 'slump' was in early November playing with a revolving door of wingers like Pouliot, PJ, Caggiula (when he came back) with little chance to develop chemistry.

That's why his numbers without McD last year are a bit misleading. Quality & consistency of linemates matters.