Draft and UDFA Thread: Part IV

[Edge]

What is your rationale for thinking that though?

Do you disagree that Broberg was just as good as Byram at the Hlinka? If so, why? Do you not agree that Broberg is a bigger, better skater and that has some correlation with upside?

They were pretty close in McKenzie's scouting poll, so it seems like NHL scouts actually do think it's pretty close.

I like Byram too and, as I said before, I think he has better hockey sense, but I also think Broberg has more physical ability and I don't think it's nearly as clear cut as you're making it out to be.

I'm going to back some of what is being said here.

Personally, I have a gap between Byram and Broberg. But I don't think they are as far apart on most lists as some might think. Broberg has a legit shot at being a top 10 pick in this draft and I can't say I would be shocked if a team grabbed him before Byram.

Would I do that? No, I wouldn't. But that's where I take into account my opinion isn't inherently the prevailing opinion among others.

Guys like Broberg, Podkolzin, Dach and others are very much in the broader conversation, even if they're not really on this board's short list.

 

[pblawr]

What is your rationale for thinking that though?

Do you disagree that Broberg was just as good as Byram at the Hlinka? If so, why? Do you not agree that Broberg is a bigger, better skater and that has some correlation with upside?

They were pretty close in McKenzie's scouting poll, so it seems like NHL scouts actually do think it's pretty close.

I like Byram too and, as I said before, I think he has better hockey sense, but I also think Broberg has more physical ability and I don't think it's nearly as clear cut as you're making it out to be.

Just adding here, the only U18 defensemen who have ever scored more points than Broberg in the Allsvenskan are OEL and Rasmus Andersson. Broberg has more than doubled Hampus Lindholm's pre-draft point total. Two of those guys are all stars who have received Norris votes and the 3rd established himself on the 2nd best team in the NHL as a 22 year old.

Again, I get why people like Byram too. I just think don't think it's totally cut and dry.

 

[MetalJaws]

Well, if the Rangers go 2-7 in the last 9 it pretty much makes us a lock at 5 or 6. With some Lottery Luck we might be in play for a top talent which would be incredible.

Byram may very well be on the board still. Broberg def will. However I hope the team doesn't go off the board. This draft looks pretty cut and dry.

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Podkolzin
4. Byram/Dach/Cozens
5. Byram/Dach/Cozens

I think we can all agree we want that 5 spot badly to ensure the best odds at one of these players. Draft gets a little murky after these 5.

Let's hope Anaheim pulls off some W's while we maintain a solid losing steak.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Well, if the Rangers go 2-7 in the last 9 it pretty much makes us a lock at 5 or 6. With some Lottery Luck we might be in play for a top talent which would be incredible.

Byram may very well be on the board still. Broberg def will. However I hope the team doesn't go off the board. This draft looks pretty cut and dry.

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Podkolzin
4. Byram/Dach/Cozens
5. Byram/Dach/Cozens

I think we can all agree we want that 5 spot badly to ensure the best odds at one of these players. Draft gets a little murky after these 5.

Let's hope Anaheim pulls off some W's while we maintain a solid losing steak.

Just to protect you on draft day, 3-10 is not that cut and dry

 

[broadwayblue]

Well, if the Rangers go 2-7 in the last 9 it pretty much makes us a lock at 5 or 6. With some Lottery Luck we might be in play for a top talent which would be incredible.

Byram may very well be on the board still. Broberg def will. However I hope the team doesn't go off the board. This draft looks pretty cut and dry.

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Podkolzin
4. Byram/Dach/Cozens
5. Byram/Dach/Cozens

I think we can all agree we want that 5 spot badly to ensure the best odds at one of these players. Draft gets a little murky after these 5.

Let's hope Anaheim pulls off some W's while we maintain a solid losing steak.

Shouldn't that include the top 6 spots?

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Podkolzin
4. Byram/Dach/Cozens
5. Byram/Dach/Cozens
6. Byram/Dach/Cozens

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Well, if the Rangers go 2-7 in the last 9 it pretty much makes us a lock at 5 or 6. With some Lottery Luck we might be in play for a top talent which would be incredible.

Byram may very well be on the board still. Broberg def will. However I hope the team doesn't go off the board. This draft looks pretty cut and dry.

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Podkolzin
4. Byram/Dach/Cozens
5. Byram/Dach/Cozens

I think we can all agree we want that 5 spot badly to ensure the best odds at one of these players. Draft gets a little murky after these 5.

Let's hope Anaheim pulls off some W's while we maintain a solid losing steak.

Podkolzin shouldn't be a top 10 pick, let alone top 3

 

[True Blue]

What is your rationale for thinking that though?

Do you disagree that Broberg was just as good as Byram at the Hlinka? If so, why? Do you not agree that Broberg is a bigger, better skater and that has some correlation with upside?

They were pretty close in McKenzie's scouting poll, so it seems like NHL scouts actually do think it's pretty close.

I like Byram too and, as I said before, I think he has better hockey sense, but I also think Broberg has more physical ability and I don't think it's nearly as clear cut as you're making it out to be.

I believe Byram to be the better package. More offensive upside, more compete level. Better defensive acumen.

Yes, Brobergis bigger and a better skater. But it is not like he puts his size to better use than Byram puts his.

Some scouts may see them as close, but I do not. I think Byram is the only defenseman who is top 10. I have him as the 3OA. Broberg, not so much.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

And while i can see NYR having Broberg high on their list if they pick him over Byram we definitely riot… I can see the argument for Broberg as the #2 D-man in this draft, there's no legit argument to have him ahead of Byram.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

And while i can see NYR having Broberg high on their list if they pick him over Byram we definitely riot… I can see the argument for Broberg as the #2 D-man in this draft, there's no legit argument to have him ahead of Byram.

Byram should be the consensus #3 pick by now

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Byram should be the consensus #3 pick by now

Consensus top 5, Turcotte is sick.

 

[Don Chytil]

Byram should be the consensus #3 pick by now

I'd put him ahead of Podkolzin for the 3 spot but I'm curious as to why you'd have Podkolzin out of the Top 10? That's a pretty hot take.

 

[duhmetreE]

This team has been talent starved at the forward position for so long.. It'd almost hurt to take a defender.

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Dach
4. Cozens
5. Byram
6. Turcotte

I'd be happy with a choice of any of those.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Broberg over Byram would be classic Rangers.

 

[True Blue]

Broberg over Byram would be classic Rangers.

A Clark cutie. No. They cannot mess this pick up. Far too important.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I'd put him ahead of Podkolzin for the 3 spot but I'm curious as to why you'd have Podkolzin out of the Top 10? That's a pretty hot take.

It's the lack of production, he's shown some flashes that he can be really good but he just hasn't put it together. It is def a hot take and one that could make me look foolish but I think he's being ranked way too high. He's prob just outside of my top 10 atm if I had to make a list

 

[bl02]

This team has been talent starved at the forward position for so long.. It'd almost hurt to take a defender.

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Dach
4. Cozens
5. Byram
6. Turcotte

I'd be happy with a choice of any of those.

That's how I have it too but switching Dach and Cozens. Podkolzin is obviously a top 10 guy but I would be disappointed if let's say we get 6 overall and take him if Byram/Cozens/Turcotte are on the board.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think this is the most torn I’ve ever been on a group of prospects

I really can’t decide which of Byram/Cozens/Dach/Zegras/Turcotte I particularly want at this point. All I know is that regardless of who we get out of that cluster, I’ll be satisfied.

 

[apoptygma]

Reached out to check on Trouba and was told Winnipeg is going to do everything possible to sign him to a long term contract. They will probably have to let Tyler Myers walk but worst case, they will keep Trouba another year. Even with all of their payroll pressure, they see him as an integral piece going forward.

And as for Kreider, I would assume anyone trading for him (Florida, Colorado, Boston ?) will want to get some assurance they can sign him. Perhaps even agree on a contract pre trade. That will raise the price considerably from a straight first.

Sounds like the best plan for all sides regarding Kreider. Makes the trade less of a gamble for the recieving team, should give us better asset.
The timetable for a Kreider trade will shift to summer then instead of at the draft. I guess the Max Pac trade would be a comperable trade?

 

[bl02]

If we are gonna select Broberg than trade down. I know its not easy trading down a top 5/6 pick with someone who lets say is at 9/10/11/12 but we just can't take Broberg if we are sitting at the 5/6 spot.

 

[bobbop]

I don’t see enough of the draft eligible players to form a defenseable list but I do know that historically you need to find offense higher in the draft than defense. If Bynam is a great no debate first pair defenseman that’s certainly part of the conversation but I lean offense early and get that defenseman a little later. Maybe that’s where Broberg comes in.

 

[bobbop]

Sounds like the best plan for all sides regarding Kreider. Makes the trade less of a gamble for the recieving team, should give us better asset.
The timetable for a Kreider trade will shift to summer then instead of at the draft. I guess the Max Pac trade would be a comperable trade?

I would think it can still happen at the draft. Even though he couldn’t sign the actual contract before July 1, the parameters of a deal could already be in place with either the Rangers or someone else.

 

[bl02]

I think this is the most torn I’ve ever been on a group of prospects

I really can’t decide which of Byram/Cozens/Dach/Zegras/Turcotte I particularly want at this point. All I know is that regardless of who we get out of that cluster, I’ll be satisfied.

Yeah but Everytime I see Tankathon they have us picking Krebs
For me its Cozens/Byram/Turcotte/Dach/Zegras If we are not picking top 3. I know we need a potential superstar forward (hopefully Chytil/Kravtsov can become that as well) but Byram seems like a sure shot top pairing guy

 

[bl02]

I don’t see enough of the draft eligible players to form a defenseable list but I do know that historically you need to find offense higher in the draft than defense. If Bynam is a great no debate first pair defenseman that’s certainly part of the conversation but I lean offense early and get that defenseman a little later. Maybe that’s where Broberg comes in.

Broberg will not be lasting past the top 15 I would think.

 

[Mikos87]

Broberg over Byram would be classic Rangers.

I don't think Broberg would be a bad pick, but not over Byram. The thing that impresses me the most about Byram is just how he's improved. Around December the knock on him was two things. A weak shot, and lapses where he gets beat wide. He's gotten sharper about his shot selection, and is close to 30 goals as a defenseman after a slow start and some criticism. Getting beat wide? Doesn't happen often.

Kid's a total gamer. There is a compete level that is on another level, and hockey IQ to go alongside his ability to read the game. On a pure impact basis, I see him as a franchise defenseman that's going to play in all situations. If Byram ends up in LA, he'd look great next to Doughty. That would be a top pair on a Canadian best on best team within 2 years.

 

[Edge]

I think the most likely pick, out of this board's favorites, is either Cozens or Turcotte.