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Draft and UDFA Thread: Part IV

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McSauer said:
Do we think Hughes jumps right into the NHL? I have heard he may join a Men's League (Swiss) post-Draft to spend next year.

Hey, win the lotto this year; have Hughes develop in another men's league while we tank (again, but much worse) next year; get another lotto pick. Then in 2020-21 the next regime takes over...
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I think it could go either way. I don’t think anyone should expect Hughes to make a giant impact in his rookie year though, he’ll probably be in a sheltered role and show flashes of what he can be, but mostly be inconsistent
 
McSauer said:
Do we think Hughes jumps right into the NHL? I have heard he may join a Men's League (Swiss) post-Draft to spend next year.

Hey, win the lotto this year; have Hughes develop in another men's league while we tank (again, but much worse) next year; get another lotto pick. Then in 2020-21 the next regime takes over...
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I’d bet on him playing pro hockey in the NHL.
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
I’m with @Edge, it’s Hughes, then a gap, then Kakko, then another gap, then the rest, similar to Dahlin, Svechnikov and the rest last year. It feels like Hughes was so far ahead at the beginning of the season people think his progression this season is less impressive than others because they’ve taken relatively bigger steps.

I will say I think Kakko might be more ready to make a bigger impact in the NHL next season, but I think Hughes will be the better player long-term
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I'm reminded of the 1997 draft.

Most people don't remember that Marleau outscored Thornton the first two years of their NHL careers, and Thornton didn't overtake him in career points until sometime near the end of both players' fourth season.
 
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Hughes, Kakko, Podkolzin and Byram will prob be NHL ready.

I'd say the rest 5-10 are prob a year out. Maybe 2 for the D-men. Sure, someone drafted in the teens will shock us all, but If we draft 1 or 2 we will surely be putting them into the lineup. Hopefully 3rd line minutes if it's Kakko or Hughes and if it's Byram prob a start in the AHL and coming up from an injury and never turning back.
 
MetalJaws said:
Hughes, Kakko, Podkolzin and Byram will prob be NHL ready.

I'd say the rest 5-10 are prob a year out. Maybe 2 for the D-men. Sure, someone drafted in the teens will shock us all, but If we draft 1 or 2 we will surely be putting them into the lineup. Hopefully 3rd line minutes if it's Kakko or Hughes and if it's Byram prob a start in the AHL and coming up from an injury and never turning back.
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Don't think that's allowed coming out of the CHL.
 
4 of the top 5 guys in 2018 played in the NHL immediately and stuck.
3 of the 5 in 2017
3 of the 5 in 2016
4 of the 5 in 2015

It's safe to say the same for this draft. If the Rangers draft a top 3 player, people are gonna want to watch him in the NHL. If we draft Hughes or Kakko, I'd be ecstatic and can't wait to finally see a top 3 pick in a Rangers uniform. f*** waiting.
 
Berserk said:
Can you elaborate on that a bit?
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I feel that they are overrated mainly because they have the "NHL-Frame" that scouts love to see. As if the fact that you're not 6"4 at 18 makes you any less of a talent. I think they are good players that belong top-15 but I think the names a mentioned have more raw talent and higher ceilings.
 
TheKingsCourt said:
I feel that they are overrated mainly because they have the "NHL-Frame" that scouts love to see. As if the fact that you're not 6"4 at 18 makes you any less of a talent. I think they are good players that belong top-15 but I think the names a mentioned have more raw talent and higher ceilings.
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The size thing was an issue for many years. But ironically enough, I don't think it's the size or frame aspects that give Cozens or Dach brownie points in 2019.

I think there's still at least a slight preference for a lot of the Canadian kids from the CHL. The U.S. program and some European leagues have vaulted themselves into the conversations, but the CHL is still viewed as the time-tested route by a lot of decision makers, and is viewed by many as having the most balanced array of talent across the junior-aged level.

So when you talk to a lot of people, you'll still hear comments like, "So and so is doing well, but how would they do if they were in the OHL/WHL?" and things of that nature.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
Oh it’s going to be ready and loaded with or without him.
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Rangers are on track to be a bottom 3 least talented team itl next year.
Ottawa - Tkachuk and Chabot (decent farm too)
LA - Kopitar and Doughty (apocolypse. might take a decade to fix this)
Detroit - Larkin, Athanasiou, Zadina, lotta B prospect guys
NJ - Hischier, Hall, uhhh Bratt? Yikes
New York - Zibanejad, ADA, Chytil (?). Good not great pipeline.
Anaheim - Rakell, Lindholm, Old Man Getzlaf
Edmonton - McDavid, Draisaitl, Klefbom
Buffalo - Eichel, Dahlin, Reinhart
Vancouver - Petterson, Boeser, Horvat
Chicago - Kane, Toews, DeBrincat, Strome

LA and New Jersey are the clear 1-2 horror shows but NYR will be fighting it out with Ottawa for worst record itl suckpremacy IMO.
 
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So, @Edge...going back to a conversation about trading Kreider at the draft for a high teens 1st, I have to admit that if things fell into place with Dallas and TB, the idea of potentially five 1sts in the upcoming draft had definitely given me second thoughts about my initial hesitation. I would assume the Rangers would would use one of the late 1sts to move the Jets’ pick into the teens. But you could add three high end forwards and a quality D prospect and really put this rebuild in high gear.
 
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So, @Edge...going back to a conversation about trading Kreider at the draft for a high teens 1st, I have to admit that if things fell into place with Dallas and TB, the idea of potentially five 1sts in the upcoming draft had definitely given me second thoughts about my initial hesitation. I would assume the Rangers would would use one of the late 1sts to move the Jets’ pick into the teens. But you could add three high end forwards and a quality D prospect and really put this rebuild in high gear.
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I think unless you 10000000% have a guy you want to take at a certain spot, I'd rather take a 2020 pick.
 
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jas said:
So, @Edge...going back to a conversation about trading Kreider at the draft for a high teens 1st, I have to admit that if things fell into place with Dallas and TB, the idea of potentially five 1sts in the upcoming draft had definitely given me second thoughts about my initial hesitation. I would assume the Rangers would would use one of the late 1sts to move the Jets’ pick into the teens. But you could add three high end forwards and a quality D prospect and really put this rebuild in high gear.
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That's kind of the process I went through, and I didn't even factor in Dallas.

At the very least I saw a situation where we'd have something like 5, 13, 28, and 31. Getting a pick from Dallas is the cherry on top, but that would still give us potentially four first round picks.

At the very least, you'd head into the draft with something in the neighborhood of 5, 13, 28, 36, and 48 and 62.

If everything fell into place, and we get a little lucky with Dallas and Tampa, you'd maybe have something like 5, 13, 28, 29, 31 and 36. Literally 1/6th of the top of the top 36 picks in the draft, before you'd even attempt to make moves or be aggressive.

I mean the potential is certainly there, and it looks sweeter if you you're talking about having two picks in say the top 15, before you even factor in working with an additional four picks scattered over the first and second round.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I think unless you 10000000% have a guy you want to take at a certain spot, I'd rather take a 2020 pick.
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I think I'd push for 2019 for a couple of reasons.

If you're looking for a pick in the teens, you're doing so because you feel there are going to be players you really like in that spot. You might not know exactly who, but if there are 17 players your scouts rate an 80 or higher, and you're picking 15th, you're going to get one of them. So there's no mystery if that's the approach.

The team your trading with is highly likely to make significant improvement with their new acquisition --- that's why they agreed to the trade in the first place. So the odds are not great that a 2020 pick would be in the teens, or in a better slot.
 
Edge said:
I think I'd push for 2019 for a couple of reasons.

If you're looking for a pick in the teens, you're doing so because you feel there are going to be players you really like in that spot. You might not know exactly who, but if there are 17 players your scouts rate an 80 or higher, and you're picking 15th, you're going to get one of them. So there's no mystery if that's the approach.

The team your trading with is highly likely to make significant improvement with their new acquisition --- that's why they agreed to the trade in the first place. So the odds are not great that a 2020 pick would be in the teens, or in a better slot.
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I get all of this, for me it’s more about spacing out the picks.

We have 2 for sure and may have as many as 4. If 2 stays at 2, then yeah by all means take the pick this year.

Do we really need 5 picks in the 1st this year? Even if you package 2 together, 4 is still kind of excessive.

But again if someone super high on your board is sitting there and you’re confident in their ability to become an impact player , then go for it.
 
A couple of dark horses to note this year that aren't getting a lot of hype are some potential growers in the late 1st and mid rounds.

Billy Constantinou has had a hard time adjusting to a terrible team where he's -58. But prior to him being moved there, he was tracking to be a potential late 1st round pick. This is a situation where he's playing on a very poor team, and hasn't adjusted. Some team might take him with a 2nd, but he should be there with a 3rd round pick. If he is, and the Rangers pick him, it's best to orchestrate a junior trade where he ends up on a better team. The talent is there.

There's a trio of players from the Q that are not getting any love, but have developed very nicely. Pelletier, Poulin, and Legare. The former two should be there with a late first, and the latter with a 2nd but may slide and be a good value pickup with a later pick from what I've heard.

I know of Pelletier, he plays for a good program in Moncton. IMO Pelletier is going to be a good pro hockey player, whether it's in the NHL or Switzerland remains to be seen. Small player, with crafty hands, but a very high hockey IQ, and a sharp two-way game. I see him as a safer bet for a 3rd line player that's going to score 15-20 goals a year, be a pesky forechecker, and kill penalties if he rounds out. He plays a very pro-style game with a strong cycle game, and funnels everything towards the net. Good wheels and motor, but with very little fanfare.
 
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ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I get all of this, for me it’s more about spacing out the picks.

We have 2 for sure and may have as many as 4. If 2 stays at 2, then yeah by all means take the pick this year.

Do we really need 5 picks in the 1st this year? Even if you package 2 together, 4 is still kind of excessive.

But again if someone super high on your board is sitting there and you’re confident in their ability to become an impact player , then go for it.
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Looking back on the 15 last drafts no real trend of at what pick the best player selected in the 16-30 range is drafted. It could be at 15 like Tarasenko (2010) or at 30 like Rakell (2011). On the other side its a decent % chance to get a NHL-player between 16-30, but not much higher when picking 16 compared to 30.
The Miller trade looks very good at the moment, and it only costed us a second. I don't think 28+31 will get us close to 10-12, so I would rather they kept the picks
and got 2 lottery tickets instead of 1.

Same applies to round 4-7, if someone would give us an extra pick if we trade back a bit I would leap at the opertunity to grab some more lottery tickets.
If we used a 7. rounder on Fagemo or Leasson last year it would look like a steal this year. Every round every year provides atleast 1 decent NHL'er.
Get a couple of thjose, and they can in the future become parts for deal where we trade cost controlled quantity for quality. Like we did for Nash, or recieved for Gaborik.
 
Shifting trough names on eliteprospects draft-center page, I'm wondering about these 2 guys:

Justin Bergeron, LD, playing for Huskies in the QMHJL, was born of the last day to be allowed to be drafted in 2018 (he wasn't).
This year he has 57 points in 65 games with average size. Justin Bergeron at eliteprospects.com

Alex Beaucage, RW/LW also playing for Huskies in the QMHJL , a July 2001 birthday, so young side of the draft class.
Good size, 79 points in 68 games this year. Alex Beaucage at eliteprospects.com

Watching CHl from Europe isn't the easiest thing, and I do not know enough hockey to sww what highlights are transferable to NHL and what just
is "junior play".

Anyone have any input on these 2 guys?
 
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