Amazing Kreiderman
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Draft and UDFA Thread: Part IV
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Even if we had 5, I’d be shocked if we used more than 3.
However, what I do think you’d see is an attempt to get the second and third pick higher.
But in general, no, an insane amount of picks wouldn’t phase me. I like the odds it gives me of getting the right components.
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......Unless you trade with Ottawa
I remember saying that while Tkachuk is a great prospect, there was going to be hell to pay if this year’s pick turned out to be number one.
Low and behold...
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Tkachuk was not going to make them a better team. And they were trading Karlsson which they knew on draft day. I was shocked. I was in the arena in Dallas, and could hear several people go "What? They are keeping it?"
offdacrossbar
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jack hughes, no matter what kakko is doing, is the top pick. period.
kid is absolutely head and shoulders better than anyone else on the ice, especially on the other team, any of the other guys- who are even close, are his teammates and those guys are still in the rear view mirror. way back.
hughes is faster, more skilled, wayyyy smarter and by waaaay i mean an enormous gap in terms of iq and hockey sense, and hughes doesnt just do every thing better, he does everything better FASTER.
when you look at jack huges and his skating, it is near perfect. theres him and everyone else in this draft when it comes to blades on ice. the closest next skater ?? alex newhook.
hughes is blinding speed and a pure hockey mind. together. hes a dynamic playmaker who makes everyone he plays with better. the measure of a difference maker is exactly that. he makes other players better.
hes the top guy. no question.
kid is absolutely head and shoulders better than anyone else on the ice, especially on the other team, any of the other guys- who are even close, are his teammates and those guys are still in the rear view mirror. way back.
hughes is faster, more skilled, wayyyy smarter and by waaaay i mean an enormous gap in terms of iq and hockey sense, and hughes doesnt just do every thing better, he does everything better FASTER.
when you look at jack huges and his skating, it is near perfect. theres him and everyone else in this draft when it comes to blades on ice. the closest next skater ?? alex newhook.
hughes is blinding speed and a pure hockey mind. together. hes a dynamic playmaker who makes everyone he plays with better. the measure of a difference maker is exactly that. he makes other players better.
hes the top guy. no question.
It made no sense and just reeked of incompetence.
Why wouldn’t you want to wash your hands clean or all that turmoil and start anew?
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Their best case scenario is that their pick ends up also 4th overall. It's crazy.
The last time a pick this high was owned by a different team was in 2010 (2nd overall)
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Bergeron should get drafted. Smart two-way defenseman and can QB a power play. Very calm under pressure. Sometimes will have a clunker or two (who doesn't?) but his overall passing and decision making are solid. Rangers have enough in the system like him but we all know how they like overagers.
Beaucage isn't very quick but generates a lot of offense because he's good along the wall and an excellent playmaker for a bigger forward. Comes across as a player taking advantage of smaller competition and might struggle keeping up with the pace of the AHL or NHL.
I would draft Bergeron before I took Beaucage.
I’d be ecstatic, i have Kakko #1
If the Rangers are trading Chris Kreider at the draft or in July when the new league year begins, Jeff Gorton should look into trading Mika Zibanejad.
I look at the Ducks and they are currently 5th. Anaheim has a soon to be 34 year old Ryan Getzlaf as their top center. Ryan Kesler is on his last legs. His hip issues are a major issue. His career might come to an end sooner rather than later. Adam Henrique is a 3rd line center at best. The Ducks have a lot of long term money invested. Bob Murray believes they can be very good next season. They have many young players in their system in San Diego ready to play. Sam Steel. Max Jones. Maxime Comtois made their team this season and was sent back to junior.
Zibanejad has a good solid contract. He fits the Ducks budget. They have a need for a top center.
The Rangers get the Ducks 1st round pick as part of the trade. The Ducks also are owed a 1st round pick from Buffalo for Brandon Montour. It's either the Blues or Sharks 1st rounder.
Ducks trade Brandon Montour to Sabres for a first-round pick and a prospect
The Ducks have two #1's. They can afford to trade their own first.
The Rangers can select two top young players in this draft. #5 & #6 as of right now. The lottery results could change that. The teams have games left to be played.
The Rangers strip the team down and still have Zibanejad. Where are they going as a team in the next 2-3 years? Nowhere. That's where. Zibanejad has three years left on his contract. Is Gorton re-signing him in 2-3 years from now? His NMC begins this July. The Rangers hands will be tied. Gorton gets another high end impact player for his rebuild. He said the success of the rebuild will be based on good drafting. Those were his words. Not mine. Gorton has traded a roster player for a top pick.
Assuming the Rangers & Ducks don't win the lottery, the Rangers could come away with two of the following players:Zegras, Turcotte, Cozens, Dach, Byram, Boldy, Podkolzin. That would be so bad? No it wouldn't.
I look at the Ducks and they are currently 5th. Anaheim has a soon to be 34 year old Ryan Getzlaf as their top center. Ryan Kesler is on his last legs. His hip issues are a major issue. His career might come to an end sooner rather than later. Adam Henrique is a 3rd line center at best. The Ducks have a lot of long term money invested. Bob Murray believes they can be very good next season. They have many young players in their system in San Diego ready to play. Sam Steel. Max Jones. Maxime Comtois made their team this season and was sent back to junior.
Zibanejad has a good solid contract. He fits the Ducks budget. They have a need for a top center.
The Rangers get the Ducks 1st round pick as part of the trade. The Ducks also are owed a 1st round pick from Buffalo for Brandon Montour. It's either the Blues or Sharks 1st rounder.
Ducks trade Brandon Montour to Sabres for a first-round pick and a prospect
The Ducks have two #1's. They can afford to trade their own first.
The Rangers can select two top young players in this draft. #5 & #6 as of right now. The lottery results could change that. The teams have games left to be played.
The Rangers strip the team down and still have Zibanejad. Where are they going as a team in the next 2-3 years? Nowhere. That's where. Zibanejad has three years left on his contract. Is Gorton re-signing him in 2-3 years from now? His NMC begins this July. The Rangers hands will be tied. Gorton gets another high end impact player for his rebuild. He said the success of the rebuild will be based on good drafting. Those were his words. Not mine. Gorton has traded a roster player for a top pick.
Assuming the Rangers & Ducks don't win the lottery, the Rangers could come away with two of the following players:Zegras, Turcotte, Cozens, Dach, Byram, Boldy, Podkolzin. That would be so bad? No it wouldn't.
There is no reason to trade Mika.
This team needs more than 1 center. Mika would be a dream as a #2 option.
This team needs more than 1 center. Mika would be a dream as a #2 option.
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Yeah, I think long term it’s up for debate (as it is for literately everyone on the team or in the system) but for short term, it doesn’t really make all that much sense to trade him for a pick
you keep trading good veteran players and you end up like edmonton or buffalo. say we get lucky and get hughes or kakko. we trade zibanejad after already trading hayes and were running something like hughes/kakko, chytil, strome down the middle next year. thats not a good environment to develop anyone.
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TheBloodyNine
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Buffalo and Edmonton had plenty of vets. They had the wrong vets but they had them.
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I'd be curious to see how location on our board determines whether a poster has Hughes first or Kakko second, just as a social exercise.
I think it's possible, if not probable, that North American posters generally favor North American prospects and European posters generally favor European prospects. That makes sense because people gravitate towards what they tend to see with greater frequency.
But I also get the sense that our North American posters are a little more open and receptive to European prospects, than our European posters are receptive to North American prospects.
It could just a perception thing, but I've noticed it for the past couple of years.
I think it's possible, if not probable, that North American posters generally favor North American prospects and European posters generally favor European prospects. That makes sense because people gravitate towards what they tend to see with greater frequency.
But I also get the sense that our North American posters are a little more open and receptive to European prospects, than our European posters are receptive to North American prospects.
It could just a perception thing, but I've noticed it for the past couple of years.
Broberg strikes me as the kind of guy who could be really high on the Rangers board:
- He's got a big size / skating combo like Kreider, Skjei, K'Andre, or Chytil.
- He already has pro experience like Andersson, Kravtsov, Chytil, or Lundkvist.
- He's a late birthday like Chytil and Lundkvist.
In general he seems to tick a lot of boxes the Rangers go for.
It seems like a lot of people here want Byram, but I would understand the case for Broberg over Byram. Broberg has a much better physical toolset and it seems like he could have more upside than Byram based on that. He hasn't stood out as much during the regular season, but it's a lot tougher to stand out in a pro league than a junior league and Broberg has been just as good, if not better, than Byram on the international stage. I like Byram too and would concede that he's a smarter player with better offensive sense, but it seems to me like Broberg might have higher upside because of his superior physical abilities and I wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers had him ranked above Byram based on their recent draft picks.
- He's got a big size / skating combo like Kreider, Skjei, K'Andre, or Chytil.
- He already has pro experience like Andersson, Kravtsov, Chytil, or Lundkvist.
- He's a late birthday like Chytil and Lundkvist.
In general he seems to tick a lot of boxes the Rangers go for.
It seems like a lot of people here want Byram, but I would understand the case for Broberg over Byram. Broberg has a much better physical toolset and it seems like he could have more upside than Byram based on that. He hasn't stood out as much during the regular season, but it's a lot tougher to stand out in a pro league than a junior league and Broberg has been just as good, if not better, than Byram on the international stage. I like Byram too and would concede that he's a smarter player with better offensive sense, but it seems to me like Broberg might have higher upside because of his superior physical abilities and I wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers had him ranked above Byram based on their recent draft picks.
Sorry, but there is no way that Broberg has a higher upside than Byram. Byram's upside is a legit, top pairing defenseman who is looking at Norris contention. That is NOT Broberg. Any GM who would take Broberg ahead of Byram should never work in the NHL again.
Reached out to check on Trouba and was told Winnipeg is going to do everything possible to sign him to a long term contract. They will probably have to let Tyler Myers walk but worst case, they will keep Trouba another year. Even with all of their payroll pressure, they see him as an integral piece going forward.
And as for Kreider, I would assume anyone trading for him (Florida, Colorado, Boston ?) will want to get some assurance they can sign him. Perhaps even agree on a contract pre trade. That will raise the price considerably from a straight first.
And as for Kreider, I would assume anyone trading for him (Florida, Colorado, Boston ?) will want to get some assurance they can sign him. Perhaps even agree on a contract pre trade. That will raise the price considerably from a straight first.
TheBloodyNine
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The point is, the reason those teams were/are bad is because management poorly managed the team, not because they didn't have veteran players. I'm not for moving Mika, but not having him isn't going to make or break the long term success of this team. Kane and Toews had nobody when they started out there for the most part and I think Chicago fared pretty well.
Edit: There's also the fact that the majority of their first round picks don't have problems developing, it's that these teams couldn't pick a player outside of the first round if their life depended on it.
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TheBloodyNine
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The only case to be made for selecting Broberg over Byram is if Byram has already been drafted before your pick.
What is your rationale for thinking that though?
Do you disagree that Broberg was just as good as Byram at the Hlinka? If so, why? Do you not agree that Broberg is a bigger, better skater and that has some correlation with upside?
They were pretty close in McKenzie's scouting poll, so it seems like NHL scouts actually do think it's pretty close.
I like Byram too and, as I said before, I think he has better hockey sense, but I also think Broberg has more physical ability and I don't think it's nearly as clear cut as you're making it out to be.
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