Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VIII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[cwede]

So if the Canes go to the ECF, Jets pick moves to 20 right? Jackets too then 19?

Yup, and if Colorado advances past the Sharks, it goes to 18 (I think).

Correct. Each of COL, CAR and CLB can move the WPG pick up 1 spot by reaching the next round

the correct answers are C,C,C and D
['Canes, CBJ, Colorado and Dallas]

it's such an odd playoffs to watch w NYR out,
but with a NYR-based reasoning to root for a particular team in all of the 4 current series

and then, after rooting for Dallas in first 2 rounds,
sorta rooting against them so their pick stays at ~29,
but also wont mind rooting for Zucc in a Final

 

[True Blue]

If Byram falls out of the top 5, I'd hope the Rangers move up somehow!! Same goes with Zegras and Cozens if they fall out of the top 10.

You and me both. Am hoping against hope that the Jets pick is 18 and the Dallas pick becomes a 1st. I think those two bullets give the best chance for Gorton to nab someone if the slide to the 12-15 range. Not necessarily the picks by themselves, but some sort of a package.

Sadly, I do not see a way to get into the 6-8 range where the possibilities of a Byram exist. I don't think the makes it past 5, but have given up dreaming about him anchoring the top pairing. Kakko is not a bad consolation prize however.

 

[Gardner McKay]

You and me both. Am hoping against hope that the Jets pick is 18 and the Dallas pick becomes a 1st. I think those two bullets give the best chance for Gorton to nab someone if the slide to the 12-15 range. Not necessarily the picks by themselves, but some sort of a package.

Sadly, I do not see a way to get into the 6-8 range where the possibilities of a Byram exist. I don't think the makes it past 5, but have given up dreaming about him anchoring the top pairing. Kakko is not a bad consolation prize however.

Is there anyone between 8-15 that really needs to restock their prospect pool? If we have the 18th pick, it will only take a 2nd to move up to 15.

But a team that has 8-12 and badly needs to replenish their system, they may be willing to make the deal. Minnesota, or Edmonton maybe? Obviously it may take a bit more than 18 and 27 to get to top 10 but I think they will at least be willing to entertain the thought of moving back.

 

[True Blue]

But a team that has 8-12 and badly needs to replenish their system, they may be willing to make the deal. Minnesota, or Edmonton maybe? Obviously it may take a bit more than 18 and 27 to get to top 10 but I think they will at least be willing to entertain the thought of moving back.

That is an interesting analysis. One will become more intriguing when we see the final order of teams drafting and where our picks slot in.

 

[Ola]

the correct answers are C,C,C and D
['Canes, CBJ, Colorado and Dallas]

it's such an odd playoffs to watch w NYR out,
but with a NYR-based reasoning to root for a particular team in all of the 4 current series

and then, after rooting for Dallas in first 2 rounds,
sorta rooting against them so their pick stays at ~29,
but also wont mind rooting for Zucc in a Final

Haha, I just pictured some die hard NYR fan living in Texas going to the AAC rooting his rear off for Dallas and drawing some attention from the seats around his and making a lot of friends — that will turn and root for SJ/Colorado in the WCF making everyone scratching their heads.

 

[pblawr]

Honestly, I would be happy to draft at 31 instead of 28 if it means Zucc gets a cup and we get Dallas's 1st next year too.

 

[Ola]

Honestly, I would be happy to draft at 31 instead of 28 if it means Zucc gets a cup and we get Dallas's 1st next year too.

Zucc has given them some depth scoring, 9 pts in 10 games unless I am mistaken. His market price should be around 5m per for 3-4 years. Maybe a bit more, Statsny got 6.5m and is a couple of years older.

I could see Dallas keeping an ear on the ground in relation to Panarin. Think they are a bit of a dark-horse on him, they have room for him with Spezza and Zuccs money. But they could probably not get him. Zucc is probably the best option for them, don't think someone like Skinner or Eberle makes a ton of sense, need someone that can carry the offense more than just finish plays. Eberle is a better fit than Skinner. Duchene could also be an option for them, but many teams will be in on him too and the price could go nuts.

I also think Zucc likes it in Dallas. I think its probable that he is staying there.

 

[QJL]

I don’t think we get both Dallas 1sts, regardless of whether there is a cup or not. They’d have to move another player for a 1st to justify keeping Zucc. He just isn’t worth that much.

 

[Fugazy]

Honestly, I would be happy to draft at 31 instead of 28 if it means Zucc gets a cup and we get Dallas's 1st next year too.

Part of me thinks they’re re-signing Zucc no matter what the end result turns out to be.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I don’t think we get both Dallas 1sts, regardless of whether there is a cup or not. They’d have to move another player for a 1st to justify keeping Zucc. He just isn’t worth that much.

Yeah I mean it’s not like his teammates love him, the GM loves him, the fans love him and he gives Dallas the secondary scoring they so badly need. Other than that, no reason to keep him.

 

[MetalJaws]

I don’t think we get both Dallas 1sts, regardless of whether there is a cup or not. They’d have to move another player for a 1st to justify keeping Zucc. He just isn’t worth that much.

leading his team in PO points says otherwise. Lovejoy and Spezza both come off the books, that's 10mil not including the cap increase. I bet he signs a 3 year deal in Dallas. Zucc is a loyal Labrador and a player that can contribute up and down the lineup. If he gets a full season with Benn or Seguin he might very well have his best seasons in front of him.

 

[Levitate]

I also think Zucc likes it in Dallas. I think its probable that he is staying there.

I'm not sure they're up for giving away two first round picks...if they make it to the WCF and owe the Rangers a pick, part of me thinks that makes it less likely the re-sign Zucc. It's tough to give away two firsts like that. But maybe getting that far convinces them that they have a contending window and they're comfortable going all in. Hard to say. Coming away with two firsts from the Zucc trade would be pretty great even if they're late firsts

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I'm not sure they're up for giving away two first round picks...if they make it to the WCF and owe the Rangers a pick, part of me thinks that makes it less likely the re-sign Zucc. It's tough to give away two firsts like that. But maybe getting that far convinces them that they have a contending window and they're comfortable going all in. Hard to say. Coming away with two firsts from the Zucc trade would be pretty great even if they're late firsts

If Management and the players really like him and see him as a key contributor I don't think they'd care about giving up another first

 

[Levitate]

If Management and the players really like him and see him as a key contributor I don't think they'd care about giving up another first

Maybe...like I said maybe it comes down to whether this year convinces them that they have a Cup window and should keep going all in.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If the Stars aren’t interested in giving up 2 first round picks why did they agree to a deal when that was a possibility? Why not just one conditional?

Dallas ain’t a rebuilding team. They are a win now team. If they cared that much about their first round picks then they wouldn’t have agreed to these conditions, and further Gorton wouldn’t have accepted a deal if he didn’t think it was a distinct possibility.

 

[cwede]

I'm not sure they're up for giving away two first round picks...if they make it to the WCF and owe the Rangers a pick, part of me thinks that makes it less likely the re-sign Zucc. It's tough to give away two firsts like that. But maybe getting that far convinces them that they have a contending window and they're comfortable going all in. Hard to say. Coming away with two firsts from the Zucc trade would be pretty great even if they're late firsts

the main costs are already spent (or not, if St Lou wins this series),
it comes down whether its worth it, at the simple cost of next year's first while reclaiming their '20 3rd

with Seguin, Radulov, Klingberg and Bishop in their prime, they would probably feel its worth it, especially if Spezza walks

 

[Leetch3]

if they make the conference finals because of zuke, how do they sell to their fans letting him walk cause its not worth giving up another 1st...considering they'll probably end up trading the pick at the deadline for another player since they don't have zuke anymore

 

[Lays]

I think Dallas 100% will want to re-sign Zucc. There’s been a lot of talk that Nill doesn’t care about the 2020 first and neither do the fans. Zucc has also helped Hintz a ton. Before the playoffs, Nill was on the hot seat. If he doesn’t re-sign Zucc and Dallas misses the playoffs next year or get bounced in round 1 I can see him getting fired. I’m just afraid of Zucc not wanting to sign there

 

[True Blue]

I don’t think we get both Dallas 1sts, regardless of whether there is a cup or not. They’d have to move another player for a 1st to justify keeping Zucc. He just isn’t worth that much.

So if he is performing well in a playoff run and fits into the locker room and is wanted there, Dallas, who has further deep playoff run aspirations, is simply going to refuse to resign him just to get out of a deal with the Rangers?

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I think if the Stars make the WCF the fans will be all over the team to resign Zucc.

 

[Ola]

I'm not sure they're up for giving away two first round picks...if they make it to the WCF and owe the Rangers a pick, part of me thinks that makes it less likely the re-sign Zucc. It's tough to give away two firsts like that. But maybe getting that far convinces them that they have a contending window and they're comfortable going all in. Hard to say. Coming away with two firsts from the Zucc trade would be pretty great even if they're late firsts

Yeah, it’s a legit factor. One thing though, it doesn’t really cost them a 1st to resign him, its basically a 1st for their 2nd (that they get to keep instead).

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah, it’s a legit factor. One thing though, it doesn’t really cost them a 1st to resign him, its basically a 1st for their 2nd (that they get to keep instead).

The 2020 pick is a 3rd/1st.

 

[QJL]

So if he is performing well in a playoff run and fits into the locker room and is wanted there, Dallas, who has further deep playoff run aspirations, is simply going to refuse to resign him just to get out of a deal with the Rangers?

Yes, exactly. Unless they can bring back a 1st with another asset.

I hope I’m wrong and we get two 1sts out of this.

 

[Fireonk]

if they make the conference finals because of zuke, how do they sell to their fans letting him walk cause its not worth giving up another 1st...considering they'll probably end up trading the pick at the deadline for another player since they don't have zuke anymore

This is an excellent point. Would they rather use their first to lock up someone they know fits in with the team and provides the secondary scoring they were desperately looking for or risk trying to find a better fill in next year for it? When framed that way it seems like a no brainer for Dallas since they would likely be using it next year for another upcoming UFA and putting themselves in the exact same position.

 

[bl02]

Just listening to Chris peters on Sirius regarding the draft and feels like it’s hughes-kakko tier 1 then 3-9/10 tier 2 then around 10ish to 20 next tier so the Winnipeg pick should put us in a nice place. He also likes the depth of the first round where hopefully the Dallas comes into play.