Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VIII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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It seems like Gorton's MO. They tried to trade up for Keller in 2016, then Makar / Pettersson in 2017, then they traded up for Miller in 2018. As long as they pick the right guys (which so far they have), I think it's great. I do think that it's tough to do though and the fact that we've been able to do it only once out of the 3 times is indicative of that. So while I'd be pleasantly be surprised if we can trade up for someone they love, I think it's more likely than not that we won't be able to.

Perhaps, but I also think the amount of ammo they've had the last two years, as well as the depth they've accrued, is a conversation changer for them. The Rangers are also in a very different mindset than they were in 2016 or 2017.

The question is how would the board respond.

Are they okay coming away with Zegras at 10 or 12 and a kid like Ty Emberson, for what amounts to Kreider, Pionk, the Yotes pick at 14, and the Jets pick at 21?

Because the price, after a couple of separate transactions, could look close to that.
 
So, in a nutshell, there is a belief that the Rangers spent an extensive amount of time looking at guys that might be available in the 4-10 range and that they are very high on one or several. Almost immediately after the lottery, the idea was floated that the Rangers would like to find a way back into the top 10 to grab a player they originally had on their short list. This coincided with the widely held belief that the Rangers planned to be more aggressive in this draft and wanted to come away with "their guys." To some extent, I think we're already starting to see this approach manifest itself in the Fox deal.

With regards to this belief, I've talked to about 3 or 4 people, independent of each other, who basically said the same thing: the Rangers would love to find their way into another top 10 pick. A few days later, this belief also made its way into a Larry Brooks article.

Having said that, it's one thing to want to work your way into a top 10 pick, and another to actually find a partner and the right price. I think there is more interest out there than some may realize, but there's also a lot of moving parts right now. For starters, the Rangers are still trying to finalize the position of two picks they hold in the top 60.

No one knows for sure who the Rangers are theoretically interested in, though there were reports they were particularly high on Zegras and liked Cozens. That's why you tend to see those names pop up more, but it's pure speculation.

I remember seeing something with Cozens, but i don't remember reported the interest in these two? Steve K maybe?
 
Of the teams that are listed 4-10:
Detroit is clearly in a rebuilding phase, so bank on them keeping that pick.
You have a bunch of teams who didn't think they were going to be as bad as they were in Kings, Sabres, Oilers and Ducks.
You have a team playing with house money that is looking real good in round 2 right now even though they are down a game.
You have the host team Vancouver who will either keep the pick or look to move up.

What am I saying? Target the delusional teams.

Oilers are one non-playoff season away from having "McDavid is frustrated" go to "McDavid is angry". Whoever they pick at 8 is not going to placate that feeling.

Ducks are still holding onto Getzlaf and Perry for dear life. They should have fired their coach halfway through that huge losing streak but decided to keep him on well past that. They wanna get back to the playoffs sooner rather than later.

Sabres thought they'd for sure be a playoff team this year and ended up in a huge spiral. They have Eichel who hasn't played a playoff game yet in his career. Possible McDavid situation.

Kings went out and got Kovalchuk because they thought they'd be a competitive team this past season. No reason to think they won't try to be competitive next.

None of these four teams are publicly rebuilding and each one has a design on being way better next year.

Long shot would be to try to trade with the Avs to give them pieces to help them win now. But we'd for sure already need to be in the top 10 already to make that happen.
 
I remember seeing something with Cozens, but i don't remember reported the interest in these two? Steve K maybe?

Zegras is a name that's floated out there as well, and also with some speculation that the Rangers might have been the team that ranked him fourth when chatting with Bob McKenzie.
 
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Zegras is a name that's floated out there as well, and also with some speculation that the Rangers might have been the team that ranked him fourth when chatting with Bob McKenzie.
I'd be very happy with Zegras but if he's the guy they want I don't know if we'll have to go too far up. Hopefully haha.
 
I'd be ecstatic with one of Byram, Cozens or Dach.

Me too...well for the most part.
1) as long as it wasn't at the expense of the #2 pick!
2) I don't like Dach like most of the board does. If he fell somehow, and was taken in the teens that would be great value. If they traded up like they did with the Stepan deal, id be dissapointed if Dach was the guy.
 
what we do know already. facts.

1. either hughes or kakko pull on the nyr sweater at the beginning of the draft. thats a given. fact.

*either of those guys will mostly likely have spot out of camp next fall. changes the landscape dramatically. ++

2. we have a new right handed dman named adam fox already signed to his ELC. fact.

* this kid has been compared to makar- not saying hes cale makar just compared to with a similar skill set and style of play. he will help the defense dramatically. remove neal pionk. add adam fox. ++

*now we go something like this on the right side. ADA/shatty/fox- pretty solid.

3. kravtsov will be in camp. fact.

*his skill adds another dimension to this team. please remember, this kid is tall. 6'4 or 6'2 ? split the difference hes 6'3 185 lbs. hes a load and hes another injection of pure skill into al lineup that was severely lacking skill last season. zuc and hayes gone. kravtsov in.

4. this defense still sucks. fact.

*marc staal playing top pair minutes. brendan smith playing any minutes. and the rest of the defense is playing one pair too high. this D still needs at least one true TOP PAIR DMAN. minimum. fox helps, but rather than address a real need, he adds to an already strength. right side PMD. we have 3 now.

enter someone like jake trouba. not sure how it gets done- might involve shatty and $$ retained or skjei but hes a guy who would help even though hes also a righty. remember though, 77 can play the left side and doesn't mind it at all....

skjei/trouba
hajek/ADA
staal/fox

shatty moved

or

ADA/trouba
hajek/shatty
staal/fox

skjei moved
 
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Me too...well for the most part.
1) as long as it wasn't at the expense of the #2 pick!
2) I don't like Dach like most of the board does. If he fell somehow, and was taken in the teens that would be great value. If they traded up like they did with the Stepan deal, id be dissapointed if Dach was the guy.
I really liked the way he played in the playoffs. Big body with skill. I think Dach is a lock for a top 5-6 pick.
 
Why does he seem that?

They profile similarly.

Both are smallish, “high IQ” forwards with little to no dynamic physical attributes.

With Krebs, you could make the argument that his team dragged him down - Kootenay was awful. I understand what people see in him, but I question how effectively his offensive skillset translates to the NHL. I think he’ll be useful on a PP at the very least, but I’m wary of how impactful he’ll be at ES.
 
It's going to be interesting to see people's ranking and tiers.

I'll try to make my own, yet this draft to me so far, sure seems like both the Ranking and tiers are going to be difficult as currently I have Byram along with like 8 or 9 forwards in all in the same tier past the 2nd overall pick. Probably going to come down to favorites in my Rangers centric draft ideas, yet I'm not too sure there is all that much separation between them.
 
what we do know already. facts.

1. either hughes or kakko pull on the nyr sweater at the beginning of the draft. thats a given. fact.

*either of those guys will mostly likely have spot out of camp next fall. changes the landscape dramatically. ++

2. we have a new right handed dman named adam fox already signed to his ELC. fact.

* this kid has been compared to makar- not saying hes cale makar just compared to with a similar skill set and style of play. he will help the defense dramatically. remove neal pionk. add adam fox. ++

*now we go something like this on the right side. ADA/shatty/fox- pretty solid.

3. kravtsov will be in camp. fact.

*his skill adds another dimension to this team. please remember, this kid is tall. 6'4 or 6'2 ? split the difference hes 6'3 185 lbs. hes a load and hes another injection of pure skill into al lineup that was severely lacking skill last season. zuc and hayes gone. kravtsov in.

4. this defense still sucks. fact.

*marc staal playing top pair minutes. brendan smith playing any minutes. and the rest of the defense is playing one pair too high. this D still needs at least one true TOP PAIR DMAN. minimum. fox helps, but rather than address a real need, he adds to an already strength. right side PMD. we have 3 now.

enter someone like jake trouba. not sure how it gets done- might involve shatty and $$ retained or skjei but hes a guy who would help even though hes also a righty. remember though, 77 can play the left side and doesn't mind it at all....

skjei/trouba
hajek/ADA
staal/fox

shatty moved

or

ADA/trouba
hajek/shatty
staal/fox

skjei moved

Skjei on the top pairing hurts my eyes and soul.
 
*his skill adds another dimension to this team. please remember, this kid is tall. 6'4 or 6'2 ? split the difference hes 6'3 185 lbs. hes a load and hes another injection of pure skill into al lineup that was severely lacking skill last season. zuc and hayes gone. kravtsov in.

Bringing in the 6'2" 190 (at 18) Kakko with Kravstov, Chytil and Mika is gonna instantly change the make up of this team up front. Kreider if hes still here. Buch is 6'3 (but needs to bulk up). Howden 6'3. Lemieux is a tank. Talk about bigger forwards with skill. Thats a lot to deal with. If Barron makes a push hes 6'2 210 too.
 
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I'd be very happy with Zegras but if he's the guy they want I don't know if we'll have to go too far up. Hopefully haha.

And if he is a guy the Rangers had high, and he slips outside the top 10, I think the Rangers will definitely press the issue and be aggressive.

The thought was the Rangers would have to trade back into the top 10 to get a shot at one of the guys they previously liked. While we don't know which player or players that interest includes, I'm sure the Rangers would love for one of them to slip a little and for the price to be lower.
 
Zegras is a name that's floated out there as well, and also with some speculation that the Rangers might have been the team that ranked him fourth when chatting with Bob McKenzie.

If NYR were able to come out of this draft with both Kakko and Zegras, I'd be more than satisfied even if it took every remaining pick in the draft to move up to that top 10 spot.
 
21. Rangers (via Winnipeg) - Victor Soderstrom, D, SHL

The Rangers got the forward their rebuild needed in Kakko. Now it's time to nab a defenseman. Soderstrom played in the top Swedish league this season, and his seven points were the most for any U18 player who appeared in the league this year. His elite skating allows him to pivot quickly and transition from offense to defense - crucial in today's NHL. His vision and puck skills are also high end.

 
Skjei on the top pairing hurts my eyes and soul.

well i see what you are saying. dont disagree.

brady on the top pair with the clowns we've had with him is tough but add trouba to his other side and suddenly thats a pretty good pair.

ideally, brady would be on the left side of the 2nd pair and he would thrive there.
 
This. His motor and leadership are overrated and his trash team is actually helping his stock. I'd be surprised if he became a 60+ player

If the Motor was overrated was it just a fluke that he consistently made plays largely due to hustle at the U-18'S? A tourney held late in the season after he's already played a full season of hockey? He had alot in the tank still.
 
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