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Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VIII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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the run on dmen will be in the 20's byrum goes top 6 then broberg 6-10 range

byrum
broberg
york
harley
seider
bjornfot (NYR)
heinola
thomson

something like that.

all 1st rounders in my book.
 
Let me ask this question: I know that teams preach best available over need, but I think deep down that need factor is always there. What do the other top 10 teams need?
 
Offdacrossbar- I think the general opinion on Krebs is a bit puzzling.

I’ve seen around a handful of people after the U18s say that they liked him and thought that he played well, but that he doesn’t have the highest upside as a top 2 line center.

He doesn’t have high upside at all, how many thinks that he can become as good as RNH? That is a real stretch. There is some myth that he is super smart, that is BS compared to the top guys in this draft. His playmaking ability is actually pretty average for a tweener. Much more Stepan like than like someone like Zegras who really find the lanes and create chances with his passing game.

Canada wasn’t very good at the U18s, Cozen and Newhook were the driver on the top line, and when Canada faced the better teams Krebs became a passenger.

His skating is pretty average, he isn’t that strong on the puck and so forth.

I think that he gets a ton of cred for playing a big role for Canada, but really, who did he beat out for that spot? Connor Zary was the 2nd best C for Canada, he is underaged. Tomasino is bound to be a 2nd round pick. It’s not like that is a guarantee for him having quality.

I gather that he was seen as some kind of wunder kid when he was 14-15, but since that hasn’t translated it just worries me more since it seemed that he was really early developed. I wouldn’t even be that excited if we got him around 25. Spiridonov is more talented than him, much better speed and size, his shot is better and Krebs playmaking doesn’t change much for me. Nikolayev’s skating is on par with Krebs, but I think Niko is more clutch and competes a little harder. About the same playmaking ability, Niko with the slight edge.

Talking about Krebs as a top 10 pick is just puzzling for me. I know some will chip in and call me out for having an opinion that nobody else and that Krebs is a fantastic play maker that skates extremely well etc. I just disagree. Time will tell.
 
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Berserk said:
Let me ask this question: I know that teams preach best available over need, but I think deep down that need factor is always there. What do the other top 10 teams need?
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I don't think "need" comes into play much, if at all. Most of them are at least 2 years away from playing in the NHL and needs can change. A team could be thin in defense prospects and then 1 or 2 breakthrough over the course of the year, they trade for one, sign one or two, etc. It is not like the NFL where you expect your 1st and 2nd rounders to come in and start immediately.
 
Ola said:
Offdacrossbar- I think the general opinion on Krebs is a bit puzzling.

I’ve seen around a handful of people after the U18s say that they liked him and thought that he played well, but that he doesn’t have the highest upside as a top 2 line center.

He doesn’t have high upside at all, how many thinks that he can become as good as RNH? That is a real stretch. There is some myth that he is super smart, that is BS compared to the top guys in this draft. His playmaking ability is actually pretty average for a tweener. Much more Stepan like than like someone like Zegras who really find the lanes and create chances with his passing game.

Canada wasn’t very good at the U18s, Cozen and Newhook were the driver on the top line, and when Canada faced the better teams Krebs became a passenger.

His skating is pretty average, he isn’t that strong on the puck and so forth.

I think that he gets a ton of cred for playing a big role for Canada, but really, who did he beat out for that spot? Connor Zary was the 2nd best C for Canada, he is underaged. Tomasino is bound to be a 2nd round pick. It’s not like that is a guarantee for him having quality.

I gather that he was seen as some kind of wunder kid when he was 14-15, but since that hasn’t translated it just worries me more since it seemed that he was really early developed. I wouldn’t even be that excited if we got him around 25. Spiridonov is more talented than him, much better speed and size, his shot is better and Krebs playmaking doesn’t change much for me. Nikolayev’s skating is on par with Krebs, but I think Niko is more clutch and competes a little harder. About the same playmaking ability, Niko with the slight edge.

Talking about Krebs as a top 10 pick is just puzzling for me. I know some will chip in and call me out for having an opinion that nobody else and that Krebs is a fantastic play maker that skates extremely well etc. I just disagree. Time will tell.
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I don’t think I have ever read one of your posts that I would disagree with more then this one. Like you said...Time will tell!
 
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Let me ask this question: I know that teams preach best available over need, but I think deep down that need factor is always there. What do the other top 10 teams need?
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I think part of the challenge is perception.

The separation between "need" and "best" isn't always clear, and is subjective.

Players can be ranked close, with depth being a factor that is weighed into calculations. Additionally, different teams might project guys differently. So while a team might feel Soderstrom is more complete than Broberg at this time, they like the latter over the long haul (just using them as an example).
 
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Love reading these updates from our more knowledgeable posters, especially since I haven't had as much time to research as I would like. One thing that's funny, however, is how everyone mentioned is either helping himself into the top 10 or is already comfortably ensconced there due to play over the year.

So, to me, the more interesting question at this point is... who's falling in people's minds?

I mean, if the top ten going into the tournament were some combination of:

Hughes
Kakko
Podkolzin
Cozens
Byram
Dach
Turcotte
Krebs
Zegras
Söderström

But Caufield, Newhook, Broberg, Boldy, and York all seem to be playing themselves up....

Then, who's falling?
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Love reading these updates from our more knowledgeable posters, especially since I haven't had as much time to research as I would like. One thing that's funny, however, is how everyone mentioned is either helping himself into the top 10 or is already comfortably ensconced there due to play over the year.

So, to me, the more interesting question at this point is... who's falling in people's minds?

I mean, if the top ten going into the tournament were some combination of:

Hughes
Kakko
Podkolzin
Cozens
Byram
Dach
Turcotte
Krebs
Zegras
Söderström

But Caufield, Newhook, Broberg, Boldy, and York all seem to be playing themselves up....

Then, who's falling?
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Podkolzin, Zegras, Dach
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Love reading these updates from our more knowledgeable posters, especially since I haven't had as much time to research as I would like. One thing that's funny, however, is how everyone mentioned is either helping himself into the top 10 or is already comfortably ensconced there due to play over the year.

So, to me, the more interesting question at this point is... who's falling in people's minds?

I mean, if the top ten going into the tournament were some combination of:

Hughes
Kakko
Podkolzin
Cozens
Byram
Dach
Turcotte
Krebs
Zegras
Söderström

But Caufield, Newhook, Broberg, Boldy, and York all seem to be playing themselves up....

Then, who's falling?
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I'm always very hesitant to get into the falling/rising debate, especially this far out. There's always a lot of recency bias, and kind of like we do with our own prospects, there's a tendency to have them rise and fall a bit more dramatically than they often are.

Three weeks ago, Zegras, Turcotte and Dach were soaring. Now they're on the backburner because everyone is focused on different names with more recent accomplishments.

Of all those names, I think Caufield has the best shot to sneak into the top 10. But there's a lot of variables.
 
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Edge said:
I'm always very hesitant to get into the falling/rising debate, especially this far out. There's always a lot of recency bias, and kind of like we do with our own prospects, there's a tendency to have them rise and fall a bit more dramatically than they often are.

Three weeks ago, Zegras, Turcotte and Dach were soaring. Now they're on the backburner because everyone is focused on different names with more recent accomplishments.

Of all those names, I think Caufield has the best shot to sneak into the top 10. But there's a lot of variables.
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If names like Broberg, Caufield, Söderström, I would jump for joy. At that point, the Rangers could be looking at one of the forwards we discussed within striking distance of the Jets pick. I can't even begin to imagine the possibility of emerging with not only Kakko but a Zegras or Dach as well. That is too much to hope fore. But Kakko and Newhook?

Like you, I am also hoping that someone takes Podkolzin in the top 10. We talked about the hated "I have to make that pick" pick. If Podkolzin is somehow there at the Jets pick, you pretty much need to take him, right? But what if both him and Newhook are there?
 
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Where does York fit in all of this? Sounds like he might be there at the Jets pick, does he project to be better than our top D prospects?
 
True Blue said:
If names like Broberg, Caufield, Söderström, I would jump for joy. At that point, the Rangers could be looking at one of the forwards we discussed within striking distance of the Jets pick. I can't even begin to imagine the possibility of emerging with not only Kakko but a Zegras or Dach as well. That is too much to hope fore. But Kakko and Newhook?

Like you, I am also hoping that someone takes Podkolzin in the top 10. We talked about the hated "I have to make that pick" pick. If Podkolzin is somehow there at the Jets pick, you pretty much need to take him, right? But what if both him and Newhook are there?
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And that's the thing, let's say Caufield, Broberg, Soderstrom, York and even Boldy make a push, that's potentially beneficial to the Rangers --- especially if indeed they really liked some of the young centers in this draft. Suddenly you could have a kid sitting there at 12 or 13 who the Rangers would've taken at 6 or 7.

Getting there from 18 is doable, though costly and with longer odds. But getting there from 14? Very doable.
 
This is going to be the most interesting draft I can remember as a NYR fan and we already know who we're taking (for the most part) with our 1st.

Just wild with opportunity. DAL pick, WPG, trading Kreider... packaging to move up... so many options.

I've already read more on this draft than any other one and it's April.

I need to take that day off from work!
 
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Would Arizona move from 14 to 19 for help alleviating some of their cap/payroll issues so that they could bring in a guy like Kessel?
 
Berserk said:
Let me ask this question: I know that teams preach best available over need, but I think deep down that need factor is always there. What do the other top 10 teams need?
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Oilers and Buffalo need speed/secondary scoring. KREIDER
 
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