Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VIII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[NYR Viper]

McKenzie mentioned that defensemen might be pushed up a little bit by teams desperate to add to their blueline this year, like centers in last year's draft.

I was thinking if this would happen. Every year there seems to be teams looking or leaning towards a certain positional need in lieu of another.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

McKenzie mentioned that defensemen might be pushed up a little bit by teams desperate to add to their blueline this year, like centers in last year's draft.

Where did he mention this?

 

[Thirty One]

Where did he mention this?

I want to say it was the last Bobcast.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

McKenzie mentioned that defensemen might be pushed up a little bit by teams desperate to add to their blueline this year, like centers in last year's draft.

I had a feeling something like this would happen.

This isn’t a great defensive class, either, so we could definitely see some serious reaches in the top 10. Maybe Broberg, York, and Soderstrom all sneak in.

 

[Thirty One]

I had a feeling something like this would happen.

This isn’t a great defensive class, either, so we could definitely see some serious reaches in the top 10. Maybe Broberg, York, and Soderstrom all sneak in.

To be clear, he didn't say that there are a ton of teams itching to take a defenseman, but because of the scarcity of them in the top half of the first round, he could see some teams who would like a defenseman reaching on one higher than their projected slot.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

To be clear, he didn't say that there are a ton of teams itching to take a defenseman, but because of the scarcity of them in the top half of the first round, he could see some teams who would like a defenseman reaching on one higher than their projected slot.

Yeah I could see one, MAYBE two of those go in that range depending on how the draft falls.

Personally, I’d place a large bet on Broberg being the Hayton of this draft. There’s a lot of projection that can be done with him.

 

[Kovalev27]

Byram and Broberg are the only 2 that should be top 10. York and Soderstrom 15 to 20 range imo.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[I Eat Crow]

Edmonton.

 

[Joey Bones]

How bout this kid caulfield. It says a lot that as your name was picking up traction, you then go and just tear up the net at this tournament right now. Do any of you draft guys get the feeling like I do, that this might push he into the top10?

Yes, even before the U18's he was playing and scoring at a pace that beat out Kessel's USNTDP record!!

 

[Joey Bones]

McKenzie mentioned that defensemen might be pushed up a little bit by teams desperate to add to their blueline this year, like centers in last year's draft.

 

[Ola]

What's the deal with Victor Söderström? Is he someone to keep an eye on? He's one of the few highly rated, right-shooting defense prospects in this draft.

He missed time during the tournament, maybe he was injured? Didn’t impress me a ton. He has been more impressive when I’ve seen him in the SHL.

For us, I would probably be more interested in Kaedan Korczak. He is a 6’3 resolute RD, but he is certainly not without skill. Can be pretty nifty when handling the puck. Getting players like him is and will be so hard, I am certainly not against looking at him with the Winnipeg pick.

You never know with some defenders supposedly on the rise, but even if I don’t think he will last that long, Jamieson Rees is a player I can’t stop dreaming of with the Pegs pick right now. He would fit — perfectly — with the rest of the forward group that we have that seem to be here long term. He is a sleeper due to his CHL stats, but how do you score a bit more than a point per game hockey? There is room for 1-2 guys like that on a NHL team, we wouldn’t be drafting him to get someone who can lead the way offensively. He skates really well and can play with the puck in traffic. He is like Ryan Callahan type without the puck and gives you a touch of Marner with it.

Of course Newhook is a pipe dream, some kind of trade up. The scouts in McKenzies polling have had him so low — but that can’t last on draft day can it? Think we would have to trade up and I don’t think that will be easy at all.

If we could get Kakko at 2, Rees at 19-20, Korczak in the mid 20s after a trade up with Dallas 1st and Tampa’s 2nd and Karl Henriksson with our 2nd I think we reeeeaaally will have filled out some depth holes that we have long term.

 

[Ola]

I feel like Cam York is the forgotten man I here. I wouldn't be shocked if he went top 10-12. I guess it's the combination of being a lefty, and moreso being on such a stacked squad that you're almost always looking for someone else.

I just find it interesting that his name rarely comes up, but Broberg, Soderstrom, Seider, and even Heinola pop up fairly often.

Yeah, I had him fairly low in my ranking but he is a perfectly solid D prospect. Definitely not as far behind Byram as one might think.

If Byram, Broberg, Soderstrom, York and Seider goes top 15 — there will be some really good forwards available with Winnipeg’s 1st.

However, I am pretty sceptical about Heinola. I don’t quite see what supposedly is so unique in his game, and it’s not hard to envision some defensive issues he might have at the NHL level.

 

[Ola]

If we get Dallas 1st, that is certainly a pick I would love to see Gorton be able to trade up with. I don’t think it will be easy, and certainly pretty expensive, but with quality making so much more sense than quantity for us — I just think the kids in the 20-25 range will be so much more attractive to us than the kids in the 28-31 range...

 

[TheBloodyNine]

How far has Caufield pushed himself up the list here? Is he a potential top 5 pick at this point?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How far has Caufield pushed himself up the list here? Is he a potential top 5 pick at this point?

Top 10 for sure.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Yea if Hayes got a 1 then Kreider will

Really depends if they love a kid at this draft and that team wants Kreider

I’ Ok with a 2020 1st round pick from Buffalo or Edmonton because there’s no guarantee they’re any better next year.

 

[Edge]

How far has Caufield pushed himself up the list here? Is he a potential top 5 pick at this point?

I think he’s in top 10 consideration for sure.

I think you can make an argument that he and Newhook definitely at least pushed their way into consideration when in the same conversations with names like Dach, Cozens, Turcotte, and Zegras.

My gut tells me that Byram is set for the top 5. Podkolzin is still a mystery at this point. So depending on how scouts feel, that could leave only one slot in the top 5 to grab.

But let’s assume Podkolzin doesn’t slide out of the top 6, I think anything from 7 on is a good possibility.

I think Buffalo and Edmonton would have particularly keen interests.

 

[wafflepadsave]

St. Louis wins tonight and takes a 2-1 lead.

 

[Matz03]

If we could get Kakko at 2, Rees at 19-20, Korczak in the mid 20s after a trade up with Dallas 1st and Tampa’s 2nd and Karl Henriksson with our 2nd I think we reeeeaaally will have filled out some depth holes that we have long term.

That seems too high for these guys, great targets once you’re into the second round but not with the firsts. With the he Wpg pick you have to grab that falling player or go for that upside, Suzuki? He could be there with that 19-20ish pick. Would love Reese, Farinacci, but just later. maybe Tomasino if he’s there late in the first and we have another pick.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Likely will have to trade up a little bit to get Newhook at this point.

yep.

the cats out of the bag

 

[Ola]

How far has Caufield pushed himself up the list here? Is he a potential top 5 pick at this point?

Its very hard to know, and I would assume that individual scouts are all over the place with him — but my best bet is that he still will go a bit lower. Wouldn’t rule out 10-15 either.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I think he’s in top 10 consideration for sure.

I think you can make an argument that he and Newhook definitely at least pushed their way into consideration when in the same conversations with names like Dach, Cozens, Turcotte, and Zegras.

My gut tells me that Byram is set for the top 5. Podkolzin is still a mystery at this point. So depending on how scouts feel, that could leave only one slot in the top 5 to grab.

But let’s assume Podkolzin doesn’t slide out of the top 6, I think anything from 7 on is a good possibility.

I think Buffalo and Edmonton would have particularly keen interests.

You look at what a kid like Miro is doing with Dallas right now and it's hard not to want that for us with a young highly drafted D-man. I would do insane things to trade up to grab Byram. Getting that high quality high upside Dman in the fold now will be beneficial later and sooner.

The draft really starts with the Hawks. I know their fans are high on Byram, so it would not surprise me to see them take him there. I think Podkolzin is a later half of of the top 10 at least now. I think one of the top american centers not named Hughes goes in the top 5. I think there will be another Dman taken in the 5-10 range. And I think there is no way that the Oilers draft an American going to the NCAA. I also wonder, is Cozens a faller? Dach is getting the most hype of those two lately. And by faller I mean not a huge drop but that he goes after Dach.

 

[offdacrossbar]

You look at what a kid like Miro is doing with Dallas right now and it's hard not to want that for us with a young highly drafted D-man. I would do insane things to trade up to grab Byram. Getting that high quality high upside Dman in the fold now will be beneficial later and sooner.

The draft really starts with the Hawks. I know their fans are high on Byram, so it would not surprise me to see them take him there. I think Podkolzin is a later half of of the top 10 at least now. I think one of the top american centers not named Hughes goes in the top 5. I think there will be another Dman taken in the 5-10 range. And I think there is no way that the Oilers draft an American going to the NCAA. I also wonder, is Cozens a faller? Dach is getting the most hype of those two lately. And by faller I mean not a huge drop but that he goes after Dach.

dach being hurt for the u18's doesn't help or hurt him. push for the tourny. hes still a top 10 easy.

newhook looked more comfortable on the edge where dylan cozens seemed to struggle. cozens- whom i really like, is at his best at speed. hes a horse with power and speed but he didn't use it enough. cozens was an overall - for the u18 tourny.

meanwhile, alex newhook showed off his considerable skill and playmaking ability adapting to the wall and using that to showcase his solid 2 way skills and scoring touch. other than hughes, newhook is the best skater in this draft. he played the pp1 with poise seemingly always making the right pass or going to the right spot. + for the tourny.

payton krebs helped his value playing the PP1 and captaining the canadians. krebs quietly showing why hes on everyones list to go top 10. + tourny.

podkolzin showed little till the last game. per his usual, some brilliance with too many long stretches of blah. hes going to be a very good defensive forward and he has a high floor that's a given, my problem continues to be the ceiling. hes got skill but offensively does it translate into points often enough for me to consider him in the top 8 or so. my gut says pass. overall - for the tourny.

caufield went off and showed that shot. hes a riser for sure. ++ for the tourny on his ability to finish

trevor zigras and turcotte both look like solid 2C upside pro pivots. i like zegras' passing and ability to see the play develop better than Turcotte but i like turcottes over all game better. both those guys were a + for the tourny.