Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VIII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[Bluenote13]

I'd like to trade him at next years deadline, but don't want to risk injury with Kreider.

Probably best to deal him at this draft if the price is somewhat right.

 

[True Blue]

The majority of 1st overall pick forwards do.

Just to make sure I got this, the majority of 1st round picks always come in and play on a top line immediately and create an instant impact?

 

[True Blue]

Yeah, but that's exactly the type of high risk, high return prospects we need. We have plenty of guys who will play on the second or third line (Butcher, Lias, Howden, Lemieux, Strome, maybe Chytil and Kravtsov, maybe Vinni or Gettinger can be third liners)

I do not disagree that the Rangers could use another home run swing in the first round, I do not agree that such a home run swing should be used on a player that is only good at one thing.

 

[True Blue]

When do you think they make the decision regarding Kreider? May meetings? Draft?

I think that they first need to identify which prospects they can realistically move up and trade for. If they want, for example, someone that is probably going top-5, then the decision is made for them. I do not think that Gorton trades Krieder at the draft just for the sake of trading him.

 

[Thirty One]

Just to make sure I got this, the majority of 1st round picks always come in and play on a top line immediately and create an instant impact?

Clearly not what he said. You missed a key word.

 

[Beacon]

I do not disagree that the Rangers could use another home run swing in the first round, I do not agree that such a home run swing should be used on a player that is only good at one thing.

What do you think a high risk, high return guy is? It is someone deeply flawed, but if he breaks out, he's a star. It's not going to be a well rounded player.

A player with many attributes, few flaws and a high ceiling goes in the top 2. Small flaws and high ceiling goes in the next 4-5. By the time you get to #20 or even #12, a good all-around player is just someone with a third line upside. At that spot, you choose 1) high ceiling + low floor, 2) low ceiling + high floor, 3) medium ceiling (second liner) + medium floor (AAAA minor leaguer).

Where the Rangers are today after acquiring Lias, Howden, Lemieux, Strome, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Pionk, Lundkvist, it seems like high ceiling, low floor is the way to go because we got plenty of young third line forwards and 4-6 defensemen.

 

[True Blue]

Clearly not what he said. You missed a key word.

What am I missing?

The majority of 1st overall pick forwards do.

 

[Thirty One]

What am I missing?

The majority of 1st overall pick forwards do.

I'm not going to give you the answer, I believe in you. You can't cheat this test.

 

[True Blue]

What do you think a high risk, high return guy is? It is someone deeply flawed, but if he breaks out, he's a star. It's not going to be a well rounded player.

Again, I understand your point. But to me, there are two players I stay away from in this draft....Laovie and Kayliev. I do not love complete one trick ponies like Kayliev. I can completely understand if someone falls in love with his shot and wants to draft him in the 12-15 range. If it were up to me, I would not do it. But it is not up to me.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

What am I missing?

The majority of 1st overall pick forwards do.

I'm not going to give you the answer, I believe in you. You can't cheat this test.

*overall*

 

[Thirty One]

*overall*

You just robbed him of an opportunity for growth.

 

[Bluenote13]

The top USA kids - Hughes, Turcotte, Zegras, Caufield, Boldy, York and Knight are all looking like the real deal, top 15 for all of them which leaves 8 spots for others - Kakko, Cozens, Dach, Byram, Podkolzin, Krebs, Broberg, Newhook. That should be your top 15 off the board, not sure what order though.

Brink looked fantastic offensively - passing, shooting, winning board battles - kid really upped his stock without looking like a freeloader on a stacked offensive unit.

Cam York is a really goodlooking blueliner. Forget that he's a terrific puck mover, the hit he threw on Podkolzin that knocked him on his butt was one of the highlights of the tourney. If we didn't already have a bunch of LHD and if he were within striking distance with the Jets pick I'd be drooling to get him. I think he's way closer to the top ten than where our 2nd first will be.

If we stay where we are with picks and no trades, Stars make the Conf finals, I think we possibly will have our pick of these players to chose from with those two spots: Brink, Heinola, Soderstrom, Rees, Seider, Nikolaev, Korczak, Bjornfot, Kolyachonok, Dorofeyev, Chystyakov, Spiridonov, Henriksson, Beecher, Foote, Marshall, Helleson, Legare, Fensmore , etc.​

 

[True Blue]

I'm not going to give you the answer, I believe in you. You can't cheat this test.

Considering that the original context was discussing Caufield coming in and being an impact player on McDavid's wing, not sure what I am missing? Is the point that Caufield now going to be chosen first overall? If not then why insert 1OA pick into a conversation that is not discussing such picks? Did we switch the discussion from Cauflied to players taken 1OA? If so, I clearly did not see the such a switch.

My response to the Caufield remark was to ask how may teenagers were able to come in right after being drafted and immediately make an impact on the top line. If the rebuttal is those that are taken first overall, then how is the relevant to Caufield?

You just robbed him of an opportunity for growth.

Mayhaps the growth should come to actually discussing things that are being discussed and not pivoting to what is not? There is a term for arguments like that.

 

[Edge]

I'd like to trade him at next years deadline, but don't want to risk injury with Kreider.

Probably best to deal him at this draft if the price is somewhat right.

If it's all the same, I'd prefer to not chance it or have to debate it on here for the next 10 months.

If we resign him this summer, fine. I'd just prefer to have it resolved one way or the other.

 

[Thirty One]

Considering that the original context was discussing Caufield coming in and being an impact player on McDavid's wing, not sure what I am missing? Is the point that Caufield now going to be chosen first overall? If not then why insert 1OA pick into a conversation that is not discussing such picks? Did we switch the discussion from Cauflied to players taken 1OA? If so, I clearly did not see the such a switch.

My response to the Caufield remark was to ask how may teenagers were able to come in right after being drafted and immediately make an impact on the top line. If the rebuttal is those that are taken first overall, then how is the relevant to Caufield?

Mayhaps the growth should come to actually discussing things that are being discussed and not pivoting to what is not? There is a term for arguments like that.

Upon further review, you are right. In context, my conclusion didn't make sense.

 

[Thirty One]

x2

 

[Thirty One]

If it's all the same, I'd prefer to not chance it or have to debate it on here for the next 10 months.

Just more time to debate Rick Nash and re-visit the McIlrath pick.

 

[Zil]

Just more time to debate Rick Nash and re-visit the McIlrath pick.

Everybody knows the Nash trade was really all about acquiring the pick to select good, American boy Pavel Buchnevich.

Also, still curious what people think about Söderström, especially given our system's dearth of right-defensemen.

 

[Edge]

Everybody knows the Nash trade was really all about acquiring the pick to select good, American boy Pavel Buchnevich.

Also, still curious what people think about Söderström, especially given our system's dearth of right-defensemen.

I like him in the 10-20 range, not as much as a top-10 kind of pick.

Not necessarily a guy who makes you sit on the edge of your seat if he has the puck on his stick. But he's incredibly smart and makes so many of the plays.

He knows how to move the puck, get it to the open made, and then get himself in position to support the play. In some ways, his strengths are almost the opposite of Broberg's. He transitions the puck well, can easily go back and forth between supporting the offense and playing tight defense.

Not the biggest guy in the world, and can be outmuscled, but his positioning is so good that I'll be damned if he doesn't end up coming away with the puck more often than not.

The knock might be that there's not that "wow" dream factor at work. He simply a smart, well-balanced game that doesn't lend itself to either a lot of mistakes, or a ton of highlight reel clips.

 

[True Blue]

I like him in the 10-20 range, not as much as a top-10 kind of pick.

I just cannot help feel that there will be better players that may fall to right around the Jets pick. I like Soddestrom but would not take him ahead of a Newhook for instance.

 

[Edge]

I just cannot help feel that there will be better players that may fall to right around the Jets pick. I like Soddestrom but would not take him ahead of a Newhook for instance.

I think I like him more in a fantasy scenario where the Rangers move up to 10 or 12 to take Zegras, and subsequently move up to 15 or 16 from the Jet's pick. In that scenario Soderstrom would have me feeling pretty completely with our draft approach for Day 1.

 

[Barnaby]

I feel like Cam York is the forgotten man I here. I wouldn't be shocked if he went top 10-12. I guess it's the combination of being a lefty, and moreso being on such a stacked squad that you're almost always looking for someone else.

I just find it interesting that his name rarely comes up, but Broberg, Soderstrom, Seider, and even Heinola pop up fairly often.

 

[Bluenote13]

I feel like Cam York is the forgotten man I here. I wouldn't be shocked if he went top 10-12. I guess it's the combination of being a lefty, and moreso being on such a stacked squad that you're almost always looking for someone else.

I just find it interesting that his name rarely comes up, but Broberg, Soderstrom, Seider, and even Heinola pop up fairly often.

Posts get buried in this thread a lot, but I mentioned a page or so ago how he had a fantastic U18's. He's in the top 15, maybe just inside the top ten.

 

[Edge]

I feel like Cam York is the forgotten man I here. I wouldn't be shocked if he went top 10-12. I guess it's the combination of being a lefty, and moreso being on such a stacked squad that you're almost always looking for someone else.

I just find it interesting that his name rarely comes up, but Broberg, Soderstrom, Seider, and even Heinola pop up fairly often.

We're at the stage where it comes in waves. Every week there's someone new who is pushing others out of the conversation.

Having said that, I think York has as good of a shot as just about anyone to be the second or third defenseman picked in the draft.

The question York faces, along with just about every defenseman not named Bowen Byram, is whether he can push through into the top 10.

 

[Thirty One]

McKenzie mentioned that defensemen might be pushed up a little bit by teams desperate to add to their blueline this year, like centers in last year's draft.