Salary Cap: Dr Dubas Cap Thread: He wants the Nurse

[WheresRamziAbid]

Tbh, I'm a little surprised that 50% off Hathaway got so little back. He's playoff size ZAR with maximum sandpaper. Feel like a bunch of teams want that. Hell, I'd have done that, if you're selling at the playoffs you easily get more for him.

I know some will say who wants ZAR but look around the NHL and see how many GMs love their low event fourth line forwards.

Especially since you can bury the full cap in the ahl at 1.25

 

[Borgir]

I know it's their thing going back to 96 or whatever but how many rats do you need in one organization? Florida takes the ice and it looks all NIMH up in here.

I love the layout of their roster.

 

[Peat]

I know it's their thing going back to 96 or whatever but how many rats do you need in one organization? Florida takes the ice and it looks all NIMH up in here.

Goddamnit I wish I'd thought of that.

The answer is of course all of them.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I love the layout of their roster.

12 forwards and 6 defensemen?

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

12 forwards and 6 defensemen?

AND 0 goalies.

 

[Borgir]

12 forwards and 6 defensemen?

NMIH

 

[Deport Ogie]

Florida is definitely landscape. Oilers are portrait.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I know it's their thing going back to 96 or whatever but how many rats do you need in one organization? Florida takes the ice and it looks all NIMH up in here.

 

[Borgir]

AND 0 goalies.

Most teams have no goaltending.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Seravalli just now on Nurse: Nurse only gave them 3 teams to work with, but he's a "tertiary" option for those teams. They're trying to make other things happen first, and if that doesn't work out, they'll circle back to Nurse.

Makes me wonder if Dubas is going after Nikishin first, but then will circle back to Nurse as a fallback option if Nikishin doesn't work out.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Only 3 teams and they only have passing interest?

B...b...but I thought any Nurse trade is gonna be a HOCKEY trade though? With value?

 

[Koivunsons]

How does this roster have significant upside? Basically everyone had career or resurgence years last season. No chance everyone's gonna do that again next season. and even if they do, what is that gonna get them? They'll be lucky to fight for a wild card spot.

I mean I said it in the next sentence.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Only 3 teams and they only have passing interest?

B...b...but I thought any Nurse trade is gonna be a HOCKEY trade though? With value?

IMO I think there are more than 3 teams interested in Nurse, but it doesn't matter if they have interest if Nurse won't waive to go there.

There was also this report too that I think backs up Seravalli's claim:



The Flyers haven't really discussed it much according to this Athletic article, which I think aligns with "he's a backup plan" that Seravalli said.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I mean I think it's obvious that Darnell Nurse and his ridiculous contract to go along with his generally crappy play are going to very much be a "we MIGHT think about it but it has to make sense for us" kind of option which is already very limiting to how many teams would take a sniff. Regardless of what Stan Bow... err... some national outlets are reporting.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Also FWIW, the unverified rumor going around Twitter with Nikishin is that he's being shopped because he's asking for way more money than Carolina wants to pay him and isn't interested in giving Carolina a discount.

Hm, I wonder if there was a LD needy team with a ton of cap space to pay Nikishin and a desire to acquire mid-20s players with upside? I can't think of a good fit for that.

 

[Peat]

IMO I think there are more than 3 teams interested in Nurse, but it doesn't matter if they have interest if Nurse won't waive to go there.

There was also this report too that I think backs up Seravalli's claim:



The Flyers haven't really discussed it much according to this Athletic article, which I think aligns with "he's a backup plan" that Seravalli said.

Not sure I believe that any more than I believe the Oilers being willing to keep him. All this media stuff feels like a ton of posturing from both sides.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Oh, I don’t think we are beyond a playoff team, but I don’t think we are top 10 draft pick without significant injury and I think you’re overrating how bad the D is.

Also we will be adding some cap at some point.

Agree. Which is why I’d set more of a classic “rebuild/tank” direction. But I’m not GM.

And while I’m not GM, I get why you don’t or can’t go that route. Cap is jumping significantly to your point which really complicates things and it’s very easy for us to say “go lose”.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Also FWIW, the unverified rumor going around Twitter with Nikishin is that he's being shopped because he's asking for way more money than Carolina wants to pay him and isn't interested in giving Carolina a discount.

Hm, I wonder if there was a LD needy team with a ton of cap space to pay Nikishin and a desire to acquire mid-20s players with upside? I can't think of a good fit for that.

It still feels risky af both trading with Carolina in general** as well as potentially trading for a player Carolina has decided it does not want. I'm certainly intrigued but it gives me pause.

**please for the love of God do not take this as a prompt to relitigate the Guentzel trade.

 

[Koivunsons]

Also FWIW, the unverified rumor going around Twitter with Nikishin is that he's being shopped because he's asking for way more money than Carolina wants to pay him and isn't interested in giving Carolina a discount.

Hm, I wonder if there was a LD needy team with a ton of cap space to pay Nikishin and a desire to acquire mid-20s players with upside? I can't think of a good fit for that.

I mean Carolina is cap conscious and have a ton of LHD. Makes sense why they are moving him. Not sure how we have anything we could package for him regardless.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not sure I believe that any more than I believe the Oilers being willing to keep him. All this media stuff feels like a ton of posturing from both sides.

Both reports kinda align with the idea that the Oilers aren't getting offered much or aren't getting much interest in Nurse, no? The Oilers report is "we're not getting offered enough, so we might just keep him if you don't pay what we wants". The Seravalli and Kruz reports are kinda "teams aren't that interested in Nurse and mostly view him as a fallback option".

I feel like the "swaying the media" angle here supports that there isn't much interest in Nurse and the Oilers are trying to put pressure on other teams to up their interest/offer for him.

 

[TojoP]

Uh this is a weird one. Why is Florida spending what little cap space it has left on Hathaway making $2.4 million?



Explains it, only $1.2 million so that makes it better.

Florida is going all in on size like the Pens did on speed 10 years ago. Screw balance. Hard to say it won't work either.

 

[TojoP]

Seravalli just now on Nurse: Nurse only gave them 3 teams to work with, but he's a "tertiary" option for those teams. They're trying to make other things happen first, and if that doesn't work out, they'll circle back to Nurse.

Makes me wonder if Dubas is going after Nikishin first, but then will circle back to Nurse as a fallback option if Nikishin doesn't work out.

Why do I have an image of GMs telling Bowman "sure we'd be interested in Nurse, let me get back to you" Then hanging up the phone and laughing while Bowman thinks he's got multiple suitors for Nurse.

 

[SEALBound]

Also FWIW, the unverified rumor going around Twitter with Nikishin is that he's being shopped because he's asking for way more money than Carolina wants to pay him and isn't interested in giving Carolina a discount.

Hm, I wonder if there was a LD needy team with a ton of cap space to pay Nikishin and a desire to acquire mid-20s players with upside? I can't think of a good fit for that.

It's a reasonable shot in the dark if nothing else. But I guess if all you do is stockpile prospects, you can afford to do this. I would assume his asking price will be shared with all teams. It will be interesting to see if that ends up limiting the number of legitimate suitors and thus lowers the price tag a bit.

Like if he asked for $15mil...we could technically do that. I might not be willing to pay a ton for the privilege to do so but we could.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Florida is going all in on size like the Pens did on speed 10 years ago. Screw balance. Hard to say it won't work either.

I sure think it will. Did you see the Pens scoring dry up once playoff hockey hit this year?

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's a reasonable shot in the dark if nothing else. But I guess if all you do is stockpile prospects, you can afford to do this. I would assume his asking price will be shared with all teams. It will be interesting to see if that ends up limiting the number of legitimate suitors and thus lowers the price tag a bit.

Like if he asked for $15mil...we could technically do that. I might not be willing to pay a ton for the privilege to do so but we could.

I think "asking for way more money than Carolina is willing to pay" is probably something like "asking for a long-term deal at $8 million a year".