Salary Cap: Dr Dubas Cap Thread: He wants the Nurse

[CheckingLineCenter]

feels like no major moves this summer for us if we don’t see them today or tomorrow tbh.

What constitutes as major

 

[Koivunsons]

What constitutes as major

Big pieces out or in. Maybe we get a summer deal or something right after UFA, but historically it seems like all the trades for the most part are wrapped up by July 1 with maybe a few drizzling through right after.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Big pieces out or in. Maybe we get a summer deal or something right after UFA, but historically it seems like all the trades for the most part are wrapped up by July 1 with maybe a few drizzling through right after.

Like is a Chinakov trade or another Girard Kulak deal major?

Because I don’t think we’re doing anything beyond that regardless of timing.

 

[K Fleur]

Hate to break it to you; If you gotta ask if your piece is big, it’s not.

 

[Pancakes]

feels like no major moves this summer for us if we don’t see them today or tomorrow tbh.

Yep that's what I said earlier. Once it gets to tomorrow teams will have cold feet about dealing those top 10 picks.

It's now or never imo.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

This place: "I want this team to get younger and acquire low cost players to build value up for"
Also this place: "trading for Zary is just wanting to do something for the sake of doing something"

Not sure about others but that's not my position on Zary.
We're dealing from a position of strength (2nd rounders) for a guy we might be able to pump up his value and ultimately trade him.

 

[Koivunsons]

Like is a Chinakov trade or another Girard Kulak deal major?

Because I don’t think we’re doing anything beyond that regardless of timing.

No. I’m talking about moving up in the draft, bringing in a player like EP, or moving Karlsson.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

No. I’m talking about moving up in the draft, bringing in a player like EP, or moving Karlsson.

Well none of that is happening.

If they move up it’ll be like a few spots.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I’ve been involved in hockey, ice and street. Football. Boxing. I only have a handful of VPs reporting to me now but I’ve overseen hundreds of people during my career.

The yelling at people, treating them harshly, has never been an effective way to motivate people.

There's tons of research to this.
Yelling at people achieves SHORT term results.
Getting buy in, holding others accountable produces LONG term results.

Also, this is a different generation. They do not respond well to the old Bobby Knight days of getting grabbed by their jersey.

 

[Lust for Life]

No. I’m talking about moving up in the draft, bringing in a player like EP, or moving Karlsson.

Not to be mister negative, but don't think any of the above happens. Would not at all be surprised if they:

a) move down the draft ("We tried to move up but there weren't any deal that made sense, so we moved down and added another pick")
b) Re-sign Mantha ("Anthony had a great season with us last year and really fit well into our core group (plus we need to reach the cap floor but we can't say that out loud)")

 

[deakka]

Not sure about others but that's not my position on Zary.
We're dealing from a position of strength (2nd rounders) for a guy we might be able to pump up his value and ultimately trade him.

I dont see that Zary will produce much more than Koivunen or McGroarty for example.
Unless they think he has some untapped offensive potential

 

[Koivunsons]

Well none of that is happening.

If they move up it’ll be like a few spots.

Feels like we are truly the only team in the mushy middle at this point.

 

[Ulf5]

Sure.

I need to make a sign to tap but like I said it is a function of the price

All things are.

Like I don’t think of Nikishin like you do but I’d do it for 22OA straight up.

If Kent only takes 54OA, I’d do it.

Their board said KJ skipped off-season workouts, coming into camp out of shape last year. Since Columbus sorta has a win now roster, would they do Rakell straight up?

 

[Koivunsons]

Not to be mister negative, but don't think any of the above happens. Would not at all be surprised if they:

a) move down the draft ("We tried to move up but there weren't any deal that made sense, so we moved down and added another pick")
b) Re-sign Mantha ("Anthony had a great season with us last year and really fit well into our core group (plus we need to reach the cap floor but we can't say that out loud)")

Not sure we realistically have a spot for Mantha.

 

[deakka]

Feels like we are truly the only team in the mushy middle at this point.

Its because this season was an anomaly. We will get our share of top picks soon enough

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I dont see that Zary will produce much more than Koivunen or McGroarty for example.
Unless they think he has some untapped offensive potential

That's certainly a risk, but you have to take a swing.
ANd that's part of my philosophy with this: you have a ton of 2nds. It's not about using it on Zary necessarily but use one of those picks on a guy like this.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Feels like we are truly the only team in the mushy middle at this point.

We will see. Hard to argue with the last 372 days of Dubas so I gotta trust it. But I have said many times I think we should go harder at a full tank/strip down for a few years so I don’t necessarily disagree on direction.

There will be some minor moves though. They will have to move some bodies out if they want to sign/pick up literally any NHL F.

 

[deakka]

That's certainly a risk, but you have to take a swing.
ANd that's part of my philosophy with this: you have a ton of 2nds. It's not about using it on Zary necessarily but use one of those picks on a guy like this.

Yeah im with you. Just dont know if Zary is the next Chinakov tbh. But im all for using some 2nds on younger players. Preferably a few years younger than Zary

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Their board said KJ skipped off-season workouts, coming into camp out of shape last year. Since Columbus sorta has a win now roster, would they do Rakell straight up?

Idk w/o knowing what I could get for Raks on the market. But prob not.

 

[Lust for Life]

Their board said KJ skipped off-season workouts, coming into camp out of shape last year. Since Columbus sorta has a win now roster, would they do Rakell straight up?

It's Columbus, so always assume they'll do the dumbest thing possible

 

[Koivunsons]

Its because this season was an anomaly. We will get our share of top picks soon enough

Disagree to be honest. Roster still has significant upside if some of our younger guys can make a push and Muse has the team bought in and did a good job with development.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Disagree to be honest. Roster still has significant upside if some of our younger guys can make a push and Muse has the team bought in and did a good job with development.

I don’t agree. Roster has no juice to do anything significant, even if you dropped Jason Robertson on top of it without trading any current pieces out.

Our D outside of EK is ASS. our middle 6 is acceptable but mushy as it kinda leans on how Malkin is playing but maybe Kindel steps up.

Idk. Maybe you’d win a round but I think we kinda hit our ceiling last year and no realistic additions can really help push past that.

 

[deakka]

Disagree to be honest. Roster still has significant upside if some of our younger guys can make a push and Muse has the team bought in and did a good job with development.

Kindel/Koivunen/McG/Zonnon or whoever have 0% chance of replacing Sid or Geno when they quit. And we are even further from replacing EK.
I dont see a path without us being bottom 5 for at least a season or two

 

[Koivunsons]

I don’t agree. Roster has no juice to do anything significant, even if you dropped Jason Robertson on top of it without trading any current pieces out.

Our D outside of EK is ASS. our middle 6 is acceptable but mushy as it kinda leans on how Malkin is playing but maybe Kindel steps up.

Idk. Maybe you’d win a round but I think we kinda hit our ceiling last year and no realistic additions can really help push past that.

Oh, I don’t think we are beyond a playoff team, but I don’t think we are top 10 draft pick without significant injury and I think you’re overrating how bad the D is.

Also we will be adding some cap at some point.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Oh, I don’t think we are beyond a playoff team, but I don’t think we are top 10 draft pick without significant injury and I think you’re overrating how bad the D is.

Also we will be adding some cap at some point.

I’ve said this before but my suspicion is that the plan is similar to what Armstrong did in St Louis (believe he and Dubas are close) or more recently what Washington has done. Just long term asset maxxing and big on drafting and developing whilst being competitive. Slight adjustments year to year depending how the team plays.