Management Don Sweeney V

[DKH]

Milan Lucic is on third line and playing passive hockey with the Fire of a 35 year old father of 4.

No goals in 9 games

No penalties in 17

Yah I'd say Don Sweeney getting

Colin Miller
Sean Kuraly
2015 first rounder
2016 first rounder

For one year of Lucic is a monster win

[mod]

 

[Beesfan]

For the last two years, it was plausible to think this group could come together and be a great team again under Claude Julien. That was why I supported keeping him.

This has been a big learning year. I think it is beyond a doubt now that this is just an average team. On top of that, Chara, who has outperformed this year, is not going to be a major factor next year and beyond.

We are not one piece away. It is time for a coaching change to rejuvenate the core players, and bring a faster, more aggressive game plan to the team. The next time we are competitive, we will have a much different looking team.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Just kidding. Not much draws your ire like Sweeney criticism. I can see your Crimson colored face!

Dan has drawn much criticism because of his sometimes overly impassioned defense of Sweeney. People say that he's limiting the discussion here, yada, yada, yada. I'm as big a fan of Sweeney's as Dan, the difference is that I let a lot of the garbage that gets said here in one ear and out the other easier than he does. I will say that it's extremely difficult at times to read some of the pure fiction and nonsense that gets passed off here as fact...and not respond to it. When 75% of the conversation seems to go against what you believe, the inclination is definitely to go big the other way.

I think that Sweeney has made mistakes like every other GM and hopefully is learning from them. I don't believe his job is currently in any danger and that JJ will allow him to stay on and see what some of these prospects he has acquired will do.

 

[the overrated]

Milan Lucic is on third line and playing passive hockey with the Fire of a 35 year old father of 4.

No goals in 9 games

No penalties in 17

Yah I'd say Don Sweeney getting

Colin Miller
Sean Kuraly
2015 first rounder
2016 first rounder

For one year of Lucic is a monster win

[mod]

Remember your pleas for patience? Can we at least wait & see how these players pan out before we call it a definitive win?

If those pieces don't amount to much, it's not necessarily a win for Sweeney & the B's. It'd definitely be a loss for the Kings, but it's very realistic that neither team wins the trade if the prospects & picks don't pan out. Maybe it just says that Sweeney made a good call in trading Lucic, but did a bad job in the return. Neither team wins in that scenario.

So, yeah, patience & stuff.

Dan has drawn much criticism because of his sometimes overly impassioned defense of Sweeney. People say that he's limiting the discussion here, yada, yada, yada. I'm as big a fan of Sweeney's as Dan, the difference is that I let a lot of the garbage that gets said here in one ear and out the other easier than he does. I will say that it's extremely difficult at times to read some of the pure fiction and nonsense that gets passed off here as fact...and not respond to it. When 75% of the conversation seems to go against what you believe, the inclination is definitely to go big the other way.

I think that Sweeney has made mistakes like every other GM and hopefully is learning from them. I don't believe his job is currently in any danger and that JJ will allow him to stay on and see what some of these prospects he has acquired will do.

I think the bigger difference is that you actually have conversations & rebuttals to people you disagree with. Far too often, DKH ignores a legit response to his post, or uses the post to springboard to something totally unrelated to what he's responding to. Makes it difficult to have conversations when one of the participants is seemingly putting his fingers in his ears and saying "I can't hear you" instead of actually responding.

 

[World of Wardlow]

The Bruins will be deep in prospects (FWD & D) 2-3 years from now - the way I see it, they'll be good (better than this year). But what bothers me is Sweeney's lack of acknowledging the problems and doing something about it. It's been 3 years we're talking about the same problems .... top 4 D.

 

[b in vancouver]

Milan Lucic is on third line and playing passive hockey with the Fire of a 35 year old father of 4.

No goals in 9 games

No penalties in 17

Yah I'd say Don Sweeney getting

Colin Miller
Sean Kuraly
2015 first rounder
2016 first rounder

For one year of Lucic is a monster win

[mod]

But that's not really the haul.
Martin Jones, C. Miller, '15 1st 13th OA (Zboril) - which is a very solid trade.

Martin Jones for Sean Kuraly and '16 1st, 29th OA (Fredriksson) - not quite as stunning. - especially with how bad their back-up goaltending has been for the past season and a half.

One day I still want to go through the whole Pederson legacy. Every player and how many games and points. Crazy to think that the 18th overall pick in 1980 - still has an impact on the active roster (with small additions)
As C. Miller, Kuraly, Zboril and Fredriksson are still directly tied to a player drafted 36 years ago. If any of those kids can have solid NHL careers or are moved in a trade, that could easily impact for another generation. And Cam upstairs.

Must be the longest running trade tree that has affected a single team - Ever.
Think of how many games/points Pederson, Neely, Wesley, Samsonov, McLaren, Jillson, Boyes, Wideman, Rasoner, Y. Statsny, Lucic, Horton, Campbell, C. Miller have played for Boston. (too bad Aitken didn't work out)

 

[bp13]

Milan Lucic is on third line and playing passive hockey with the Fire of a 35 year old father of 4.

No goals in 9 games

No penalties in 17

Yah I'd say Don Sweeney getting

Colin Miller
Sean Kuraly
2015 first rounder
2016 first rounder

For one year of Lucic is a monster win

[mod]

Agreed 100%. Loved every bit of that trade. The return was excellent, and the icing on the cake was not having to foolishly re-sign him to a long-term deal and risk that he'd be a little more comfortable and that his physical play would take it's toll on his body.

Unfortunately though, we turned around and did exactly that with David Backes, albeit probably to a lesser extent.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Will be interesting to see who Sweeney protect on D for the expansion draft.

If he even think of protecting K.Miller or McQuaid, he should be fired on the spot.

 

[Brucentric*]

Milan Lucic is on third line and playing passive hockey with the Fire of a 35 year old father of 4.

No goals in 9 games

No penalties in 17

Yah I'd say Don Sweeney getting

Colin Miller
Sean Kuraly
2015 first rounder
2016 first rounder

For one year of Lucic is a monster win

[mod]

The Looch trade was a solid deal. The guy cant miss on everything or every deal.

But again, No impact NHL talent yet from the deal and he blew the cap savings on Beleskey, So he screwed the pooch at the end of the day anyway.

 

[whatsbruin]

But again, No impact NHL talent yet from the deal and he blew the cap savings on Beleskey, So he screwed the pooch at the end of the day anyway.

I have seen several posts about the bad move of signing Belesky.
At the time of the signing weren't most happy with this signing, and he turned down money to come to Boston, and now it is hind sight that
people are unhappy.

 

[Hali33]

Agreed 100%. Loved every bit of that trade. The return was excellent, and the icing on the cake was not having to foolishly re-sign him to a long-term deal and risk that he'd be a little more comfortable and that his physical play would take it's toll on his body.

Unfortunately though, we turned around and did exactly that with David Backes, albeit probably to a lesser extent.

Save money on Looch. Turn around and pay 10 million for Backes/Beleskey. Hooray.

 

[bp13]

I have seen several posts about the bad move of signing Belesky.
At the time of the signing weren't most happy with this signing, and he turned down money to come to Boston, and now it is hind sight that
people are unhappy.

I'd say this observation is true. It's certainly true in my case. But that hindsight isn't based solely on his play, it's based on the subsequent actions of the GM. My hope was that signing Beleskey filled our need for top 9 grit, leadership and added some secondary scoring. I didn't realize we'd also be committing big money and term to David Backes. I also didn't realize we'd be keeping everyone else, notably Krejci, Spooner and even Marchand within just one season. With Pastrnak and Bergeron already locks, you essentially relegated Beleskey to 4th line if even one of your kids stepped up, and in this case Vatrano and Czarnik have.

So in hindsight, it was poor planning to sign Beleskey with a very real likelihood of him being an overpaid 4th liner within one calendar year.

 

[Brucentric*]

I have seen several posts about the bad move of signing Belesky.
At the time of the signing weren't most happy with this signing, and he turned down money to come to Boston, and now it is hind sight that
people are unhappy.

What we think does not matter. The only ting that matters is how the move that the GM made turns out for the team. Beleskey was just OK last year, he did throw his body around but no so much this year. It has been a poor signing as we have guys like him without paying his salary.

Net net....Bad move for the GM.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

4 million for Beleskey isn't a terrible signing.

He is having an off year.

If he scores 15 goals and gets close to 40 points and plays physical, then it's a good signing.

so last year was fine, this year... not so much.

i would bet next season he scores closer to 20 than 10 goals.

I have no problem with the signing.

 

[BruinDust]

4 million for Beleskey isn't a terrible signing.

He is having an off year.

If he scores 15 goals and gets close to 40 points and plays physical, then it's a good signing.

so last year was fine, this year... not so much.

i would bet next season he scores closer to 20 than 10 goals.

I have no problem with the signing.

Correction.

The first 3/4 of last year was fine. Very good even.

Since then, it's been a disaster for the most part.

I wish I could share your optimism on Belesky, but I can't. Mostly because I don't see him finding a way back onto the Krejci line, and don't see him ending up next to Bergeron either. He's a good complimentary grunt on a line with two better players.

On a line with other grunts, he's just an overpaid 4th line grinder.

 

[b in vancouver]

Dan has drawn much criticism because of his sometimes overly impassioned defense of Sweeney. People say that he's limiting the discussion here, yada, yada, yada. I'm as big a fan of Sweeney's as Dan, the difference is that I let a lot of the garbage that gets said here in one ear and out the other easier than he does. I will say that it's extremely difficult at times to read some of the pure fiction and nonsense that gets passed off here as fact...and not respond to it. When 75% of the conversation seems to go against what you believe, the inclination is definitely to go big the other way.

I think that Sweeney has made mistakes like every other GM and hopefully is learning from them. I don't believe his job is currently in any danger and that JJ will allow him to stay on and see what some of these prospects he has acquired will do.

I actually agree with both you and Dan.
I like the way Sweeney has approached reconstructing this team very much. I think he missed on a key move or two but I also expect that from a new GM who's trying to make his stamp on the team and maybe comes in with a few more set ideas that he wants to try.
I like the kind of players he's targeted in the draft, trade and free agency.
It hasn't worked out yet but you can see he's trying to build a team with character and substance. Can't complain.
I like that he's trying to remain competitive.

This team shouldn't be as inconsistent as it has been. It's better than that.
Sweeney needs to shoulder some of the responsibility for last year and this but it's not all on him and I appreciate his approach.

 

[Blowfish]

Still no call ups or send downs

 

[BruinDust]

Still no call ups or send downs

We can't be hurting the feelings of the veteran players down at the TD Country Club on Causeway.

 

[LouJersey]

I don't like everything he's done, but for the most part I'm a fan. I like the re-build on the fly because you really have no choice.

Backes, I like the player, don't love the contract but I'll worry about that when and if it becomes a major problem.

Love both his drafts,

Hated the Smith-Hayes deal, but Smith looks like a different player to me after becoming financially secure.

Beleskey to me earned his money last year. It's not a horrible contract, and he should play to 16-20 goals and 200+ hits when healthy. He needs a good center though.

Liked the Lucic trade. Hated the Hamilton deal at the time, until I read more about what happened. I also read an article someone here posted on Brian Burke and Hamilton and he said he outbid 12 teams with that package, so Hamilton wasn't worth as much as many of us thought I guess.

Hated the Stempniak/Liles trades, but I understand them. I understand why he didn't deal Eriksson as you can't pull the rug out like that.

Hated Moore and Schaller and that turned out way better than I thought.

I'm frustrated we haven't been able to make a hockey trade, but until I see one that I can be upset about not making there is nothing to say.

Most off I can see where everyone is coming from. I think there is a lot of frustration here. Nothing has been done on any level to get out of this malaise, I put a lot of it on the players and coach though. The players are well compensated, not being ready to play is on them and inexcusable. The coach has some blame too because he could make some statements with these stars. Break up Bergeron and Marchand. Put Pasta with someone else. In a blow out like yesterday, bench some guys, demote them down the lines.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Milan Lucic is on third line and playing passive hockey with the Fire of a 35 year old father of 4.

No goals in 9 games

No penalties in 17

Yah I'd say Don Sweeney getting

Colin Miller
Sean Kuraly
2015 first rounder
2016 first rounder

For one year of Lucic is a monster win

[mod]

I agree with your overall point, but the 'no penalties in 17" is a good thing. Nobody was better at taking the stupid selfish penalty that hurts the team because his ego couldn't handle something than Lucic.

 

[chizzler]

Still no call ups or send downs

Think about it. Who's going to get sent down? Probably the guy who doesn't deserve it. I'll take a benching or a seat upstairs for a couple of vets. Have one in mind.

 

[chizzler]

I agree with your overall point, but the 'no penalties in 17" is a good thing. Nobody was better at taking the stupid selfish penalty that hurts the team because his ego couldn't handle something than Lucic.

Yah but it says he isn't involved.

 

[LSCII]

Think about it. Who's going to get sent down? Probably the guy who doesn't deserve it. I'll take a benching or a seat upstairs for a couple of vets. Have one in mind.

Suggestions??? Please let it be Nash...

 

[Speed Shooter]

Will be interesting to see who Sweeney protect on D for the expansion draft.

If he even think of protecting K.Miller or McQuaid, he should be fired on the spot.

Totally. And if he even thinks of signing either or both of them to multi-year extensions he should...oh...wait.

Too late.

 

[chizzler]

Suggestions??? Please let it be Nash...

Doesn't make enough.