Management Don Sweeney V

[Hali33]

If the prospect pool is that stacked, they are not going to all make it on the roster, especially given some of the long term contracts on the team.

He needs to identify who the core pieces are and the ones they can live without. Those need to be flipped for players that can bridge the gap between the old core and new core.

It's a very difficult direction they've chosen, to keep the core together and compete while doing a necessary rebuild of youth. They are not having success in the trade market to strengthen the current team which has flaws and depth issues.

I also disagree the pressure to compete today is purely from Jacobs and Cam.

They chose to keep the core intact and add a 32 year old to it. Beleskey will also pass 30 during his contract.

Being realistic about the prime of the core contracts on the team applies its own pressure on how long this team can take to compete again.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

If the prospect pool is that stacked, they are not going to all make it on the roster, especially given some of the long term contracts on the team.

He needs to identify who the core pieces are and the ones they can live without. Those need to be flipped for players that can bridge the gap between the old core and new core.

It's a very difficult direction they've chosen, to keep the core together and compete while doing a necessary rebuild of youth. They are not having success in the trade market to strengthen the current team which has flaws and depth issues.

I also disagree the pressure to compete today is purely from Jacobs and Cam.

They chose to keep the core intact and add a 32 year old to it. Beleskey will also pass 30 during his contract.

Being realistic about the prime of the core contracts on the team applies its own pressure on how long this team can take to compete again.

err..they rought those guys because they have that pressure.

And as long as they are in this limbo between trying to compete and rebuild they are going nowhere. Its been 3 years, you would think they would learn something.

 

[Blowfish]

Don please call someone up. Anyone. Sit some players. Anyone but Marchand and Bergeron.

 

[Hali33]

err..they rought those guys because they have that pressure.

And as long as they are in this limbo between trying to compete and rebuild they are going nowhere. Its been 3 years, you would think they would learn something.

Well there's been plenty of praise for him identifying those players for their leadership and Bruins style when they signed, as opposed to the feeling that he was pressured to sign those players.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

Well there's been plenty of praise for him identifying those players for their leadership and Bruins style when they signed, as opposed to the feeling that he was pressured to sign those players.

I hear you, but i think he brought in guys that would fit the so called "bruins style" in order to make the playoffs. Backes, for example, is just a replacement of Eriksson, who they couldnt deal last year, for said pressure to make the playoffs.

 

[BNHL]

I hear you, but i think he brought in guys that would fit the so called "bruins style" in order to make the playoffs. Backes, for example, is just a replacement of Eriksson, who they couldnt deal last year, for said pressure to make the playoffs.

But somehow,getting less points from Backes,but more leadrship and physicality was going to be an upgrade.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

If the prospect pool is that stacked, they are not going to all make it on the roster, especially given some of the long term contracts on the team.

He needs to identify who the core pieces are and the ones they can live without. Those need to be flipped for players that can bridge the gap between the old core and new core.

It's a very difficult direction they've chosen, to keep the core together and compete while doing a necessary rebuild of youth. They are not having success in the trade market to strengthen the current team which has flaws and depth issues.

I also disagree the pressure to compete today is purely from Jacobs and Cam.

They chose to keep the core intact and add a 32 year old to it. Beleskey will also pass 30 during his contract.

Being realistic about the prime of the core contracts on the team applies its own pressure on how long this team can take to compete again.

Years ago the Leafs had 2 great goalie prospects in Justin Pogge and Tuukka Rask.

Bruins have to be 100% sure of what they have before moving assets.

 

[Duguay]

Missing on Vesey, that still stings.

The Bruins are missing a Winger, and some punch on the Wing.

They have been for years; really since Iginla and Horton vacated. Even moreso now with Lucic, and to a lesser degree, Loui.

It's a couple of the major, obvious deficiencies that Don Sweeney has struggled to address.

If they just could have sold that kid. Local, in lock step with the re-fit in Boston, it just fit.....and look what they may be faced with now?

Not getting Vesey for free (other than $) may cost this franchise another blue chipper and a draft pick.

I know to some getting Vesey is 1/30, but I want GM's who can sell a great program.

And maybe that is the problem too.

Just mentioning how things tend to trickle downhill.

That was a big disappointment to me.

 

[BNHL]

Missing on Vesey, that still stings.

The Bruins are missing a Winger, and some punch on the Wing.

They have been for years; really since Iginla and Horton vacated.

It's a couple of the major, obvious deficiencies that Don Sweeney has struggled to address.

If they just could have sold that kid. Local, in lock step with the re-fit in Boston, it just fit.....and look what they may be faced with now?

Not getting Vesey for free (other than $) may cost this franchise another blue chipper and a draft pick.

I know to some getting Vesey is 1/30, but I want GM's who can sell a great program.

And maybe that is the problem too.

Just mentioning how things tend to trickle downhill.

That was a big disappointment to me.

How much leash would Vesey have gotten here? He's got 19 points in 44 games and is the only minus regular playing forward.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

Missing on Vesey, that still stings.

The Bruins are missing a Winger, and some punch on the Wing.

They have been for years; really since Iginla and Horton vacated. Even moreso now with Lucic, and to a lesser degree, Loui.

It's a couple of the major, obvious deficiencies that Don Sweeney has struggled to address.

If they just could have sold that kid. Local, in lock step with the re-fit in Boston, it just fit.....and look what they may be faced with now?

Not getting Vesey for free (other than $) may cost this franchise another blue chipper and a draft pick.

I know to some getting Vesey is 1/30, but I want GM's who can sell a great program.

And maybe that is the problem too.

Just mentioning how things tend to trickle downhill.

That was a big disappointment to me.

Vesey being from Boston may be the reason why the Bruins never stood a chance.


Why else would a young player not choose his hometown if given same money and term?

Sweeney should have traded for his rights like the Sabres did. This would have given the Bruins the time to properly sell Vesey to playing in Boston. it's one thing to sign with another team, it's another thing to completely turn your back on a team that traded for you.

Worst case scenario, the Bruins come out looking like they did all they could.

 

[remer]

Mistakes cost franchises money. Wins = Money.
The Seguin trade was horrible. Set the Bruins back big time.
Not selling off Loui was stupid.
Trading draft picks for Stempiak and Liles was stupid.
Signing Backes for too long of a heavy paid contract was stupid.
Not getting Vesey to sign in Boston was a major flop.
Not selling off assets this year before the trade deadline would be foolish.
They are not a playoff team. They need a new voice behind the bench and they need some youth with talent.

 

[Number8]

Don Sweeney has a really tough job for all the reasons we've discussed. Most difficult is that he has an ultimate boss (Jacobs) who, IMO, sees his team as a money making venture first and foremost. That's fine and it's certainly his prerogative -- just as it's my prerogative to dislike him significantly.

When he says he expects a deep playoff run I'm left with only two conclusions:

1) He really doesn't know squat about the game.

2) The miserly little man aches for some more of that glorious, magical money.

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I think old Jeremy knows full well what this team is capable of -- and in reality what is best for the long term future of the team.

However, IMO, he just can't resist forcing management to make foolish moves that are not in that long-term interest of the team. The yearning to squeeze out one or two extra home games each year to add a few more gold nuggets and coins on the big pile is just too much.

It's actually really sad and deserves a measure of pity for the man -- unfortunately I just don't have it in me today. I'll try to be a better person tomorrow.

 

[Brucentric*]

But somehow,getting less points from Backes,but more leadrship and physicality was going to be an upgrade.

Not only that but you are gonna play him out of position......Then to compound it move a productive 3rd line center Spooner out of position as well....

Sweeney is in way over his head.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Mistakes cost franchises money. Wins = Money.
The Seguin trade was horrible. Set the Bruins back big time.
Not selling off Loui was stupid.
Trading draft picks for Stempiak and Liles was stupid.
Signing Backes for too long of a heavy paid contract was stupid.
Not getting Vesey to sign in Boston was a major flop.
Not selling off assets this year before the trade deadline would be foolish.
They are not a playoff team. They need a new voice behind the bench and they need some youth with talent.

Hayes for Smith, belesky, upping quader, Rinaldo, keeping Liles, Nash, and we shall see on that 2015 draft class.

 

[Duguay]

Not only that but you are gonna play him out of position......Then to compound it move a productive 3rd line center Spooner out of position as well....

Sweeney is in way over his head.

This is a very good point. It does display a fine example of letting the business of the game run you, and not the other way around.

The good ones, you will find, implement sound plans.

 

[mikelvl]

This is a very good point. It does display a fine example of letting the business of the game run you, and not the other way around.

The good ones, you will find, implement sound plans.

Just saying, Spooner was horrible last night, a liability in his own end. There are a whole lot of problems with this team, more than a coaching change will fix.

 

[Duguay]

Just saying, Spooner was horrible last night, a liability in his own end. There are a whole lot of problems with this team, more than a coaching change will fix.

I was playing myself last night and missed the game, and although I want to see Spooner succeed (he's a local & liked him in Jr), I am pretty unimpressed with him in Black & Gold so far.

I get the feeling that it would be best for both parties to move along.

I do think he will find moderate success in the right program.

 

[Brucentric*]

I was playing myself last night and missed the game, and although I wantl to see Spooner succeed (he's a local & liked him in Jr), I am pretty unimpressed with him in Black & Gold so far.

I get the feeling that it would be best for both parties to move along.

I do think he will find moderate success in the right program.

Problem is thay are not playing him to his strengths. Which hurts the team and hurts his trade value. He is what he is. A productive third liner who when happy can be a positive for the team.....Like he was last year. Kid has been a center all his life. Dod they really think he is gonna 1- like the wing, 2- do well there ?

At this point just let Vatrano play with Bergie and let Pasta and Backes play with Krejci and for God sakes put SPooner back where he can excel and be comfortable. If he is not what you want at your 3C spot, Then i get it. But to evaluate him off the major screwing they are giving him hurts the whole team at all levels...Trade him or put him at 3C. It is not rocket science.

 

[Number8]

I was playing myself last night and missed the game, and although I want to see Spooner succeed (he's a local & liked him in Jr), I am pretty unimpressed with him in Black & Gold so far.

I get the feeling that it would be best for both parties to move along.

I do think he will find moderate success in the right program.

Had to read that several times before I realized you were talking about fact that you were playing a hockey game last night!

 

[Dr Hook]

Had to read that several times before I realized you were talking about fact that you were playing a hockey game last night!

what you thought he said still would have been a better use of time than watching that horror show happen

 

[Duguay]

Had to read that several times before I realized you were talking about fact that you were playing a hockey game last night!

yes, probably a misleading (comedic) venture into a sentence. Glad your took the time for a couple of re-reads

 

[smithformeragent]

Jaffe was railing on them hard on the radio to pick a direction and go with it.

Either rebuild or make (a) deal(s) to reinforce the current roster.

 

[Speed Shooter]

Mistakes cost franchises money. Wins = Money.
The Seguin trade was horrible. Set the Bruins back big time.
Not selling off Loui was stupid.
Trading draft picks for Stempiak and Liles was stupid.
Signing Backes for too long of a heavy paid contract was stupid.
Not getting Vesey to sign in Boston was a major flop.
Not selling off assets this year before the trade deadline would be foolish.
They are not a playoff team. They need a new voice behind the bench and they need some youth with talent.

To put it into perspective, the Bruins would need to go 18-8-8 the rest of the way just to match their record at end of 14-15 season....when they DNQ for playoffs.

Not what I would call progress.

 

[Absurdity]

Jaffe was railing on them hard on the radio to pick a direction and go with it.

Either rebuild or make (a) deal(s) to reinforce the current roster.

He's right. I don't think they'll rebuild even though they should. I hope they prove me wrong.

 

[Dr Hook]

He's right. I don't think they'll rebuild even though they should. I hope they prove me wrong.

They should, and really, when you break it down a bit, it isn't as if they have to scrap it all and start over the from the ground up. There are some players here that we would definitely want to keep as part of the "new look" Bruins such as it will be. With the deep prospect pool we have and strong young talent, it's not such a daunting task and were they to go that route, I don't see that the would be any worse off than it is currently while the process happens.