Does Marner get Boo’d?

[Racer88]

Strange thread. There is zero chance people boo Marner. This board is a tiny microcosm of the fan base. Fans love this guy, as they do Matthews and Nylander. Odds are he will get off to a hot start, as Nylander did last season, and the same story will play out. This guy is going to be here for a lot of years.

If as you say that fans love the guy why are former teammates having to come out and defend him?
Fans dislike for him is way more wide spread then you think

 

[Dekes For Days]

If as you say that fans love the guy why are former teammates having to come out and defend him?

Because in Toronto, the media machine and the small fraction of the fanbase who gobble it up can still make a lot of noise.

 

[Hellcat]

our most crucial, and series defining games, is... "arbitrary"? and what did I cherry pick? I just posted simple raw stats based on our history lol

Why is it so hard for you to understand it is called a SERIES for a reason, every game is important. Can you win a series if you only win games 5, 6, 7?

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Strange thread. There is zero chance people boo Marner.

I'm with you on that. This reminds me of the "should we throw more waffles" thread after salute gate.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Why is it so hard for you to understand it is called a SERIES for a reason, every game is important. Can you win a series if you only win games 5, 6, 7?

Right , if you play well and win 3 of the first 4 games of a series the rest of the games are just a formality. So I don't know what's so hard to get about this. All playoff games are equally important to perform in. No one wants to be a game 7 hero when you can be resting early for the next round instead.

 

[Arzak]

Right , if you play well and win 3 of the first 4 games of a series the rest of the games are just a formality. So I don't know what's so hard to get about this. All playoff games are equally important to perform in. No one wants to be a game 7 hero when you can be resting early for the next round instead.

But that's not what we see year after year in playoffs. How can anyone watch Leafs playoffs hockey and think Mitch is great games 1-4 is besides me. Year after year you see him play scared perimetr hockey.

Some cherish his 2 point performance in Leafs losing game too much. Sucking for 50 min just to get couple of assists when its 6:1, 5 min to go. That's where Mitch shines, when the game is already over and everyone stopped skating, he gets assist that means nothing.

Not nothing, it gets him LOOOK AT HIS POINT TOTALS GAMES 1-4.

Pathetic games 1-7. If you watch the games, if you are content to jerking to 7:2 results with Mitch having 2 assists, good for you.

 

[notbias]

You don't understand why game 5/6/7 is more important than a regular season game vs. Ari?

These aren't "randomly picked games" these are critical games of series that he's struggled in. And it's noticeably more than the rest of the core

Tavares did better than Matthews in those games.

I just want someone who posts this chart to say Tavares deserves a similar salary to Matthews because of this.

Right , if you play well and win 3 of the first 4 games of a series the rest of the games are just a formality. So I don't know what's so hard to get about this. All playoff games are equally important to perform in. No one wants to be a game 7 hero when you can be resting early for the next round instead.

Maybe all those other players should put up points like Marner in the first 4 games, they will probably sweep every series.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

But that's not what we see year after year in playoffs. How can anyone watch Leafs playoffs hockey and think Mitch is great games 1-4 is besides me. Year after year you see him play scared perimetr hockey.

Some cherish his 2 point performance in Leafs losing game too much. Sucking for 50 min just to get couple of assists when its 6:1, 5 min to go. That's where Mitch shines, when the game is already over and everyone stopped skating, he gets assist that means nothing.

Not nothing, it gets him LOOOK AT HIS POINT TOTALS GAMES 1-4.

Pathetic games 1-7. If you watch the games, if you are content to jerking to 7:2 results with Mitch having 2 assists, good for you.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Games 5-7 aren’t more important than games 1-4. All the games are equal. I don’t know why people are cherry picking three games in a series, it’s kind of silly. Performance in game 1 isn’t less valuable than a performance in game 5. You gotta win 4 games including some from games 1-4.

I'm pretty sure you do know why they are cherrypicking those games.

Marner has sucked in them for sure, but you don't even get to games 5-7 unless you win some in 1-4 so..

 

[bax]

If as you say that fans love the guy why are former teammates having to come out and defend him?
Fans dislike for him is way more wide spread then you think

I go to a lot of games. He wont get booed at home games. It doesn’t happen. In the entire time of this core I can think of once where I heard Marner singled out by an angry fan and it was after game 7 against Tampa. This guy was absolutely losing his shit in the stands and the amount of people turning on the fan was actually surprising.

I’m not saying the players don’t deserve criticism, they absolutely do but what we read on here and what the media pushes is WAY different than what actually happens at games. There are Marner signs and jerseys everywhere. I do acknowledge though that we might be at least starting to heading in the direction of salute gate again with the lack of playoff success but that’s not going to happen during the regular season unless they miss but again, that’s months down the road.

I personally believe, from my experiences anyway, that if Marner skates out on the ice on opening night with a fresh new contract he will cheered and loudly.

 

[Nineteen67]

I go to a lot of games. He wont get booed at home games. It doesn’t happen. In the entire time of this core I can think of once where I heard Marner singled out by an angry fan and it was after game 7 against Tampa. This guy was absolutely losing his shit in the stands and the amount of people turning on the fan was actually surprising.

I’m not saying the players don’t deserve criticism, they absolutely do but what we read on here and what the media pushes is WAY different than what actually happens at games. There are Marner signs and jerseys everywhere. I do acknowledge though that we might be at least starting to heading in the direction of salute gate again with the lack of playoff success but that’s not going to happen during the regular season unless they miss but again, that’s months down the road.

I personally believe, from my experiences anyway, that if Marner skates out on the ice on opening night with a fresh new contract he will cheered and loudly.

I’ve said it a million times…..Toronto is a fairly easy market to play in. Annoying at times with the shear number of media and fans but both a very tame compared to other markets and sports.

 

[Evilhomer]

If as you say that fans love the guy why are former teammates having to come out and defend him?
Fans dislike for him is way more wide spread then you think

Probably because those players know how silly the media and fan comments are when it comes to Marner, and they have to say something when media keeps asking the same questions over and over again.

 

[bax]

I’ve said it a million times…..Toronto is a fairly easy market to play in. Annoying at times with the shear number of media and fans but both a very tame compared to other markets and sports.

Even how the fans react is tame. I remember having a brief moment after that game 7 thinking this might get ugly and then I filed out with everyone else, walked to my car and drove home. I saw one fight in the street.

 

[LeafGrief]

Game 7 will always be more important than any of the other games, simply by nature of the pressure that is winner-takes-all. But Gilmour's wrap-around was in game 1 and it's one of the all-time Leafs heroic moments. Marner doesn't have that sort of moment. That playoff game, or better yet, series, where he grabs the team by the scruff of the neck and drags us to a win. That's what the great players do.

Matthews has the game 6 winner against Boston, and has dominated playoff games (here and there) Tavares has the OT winner against the Lightning. Rielly had an absolutely heroic series against Tampa last year, and Nylander has 15 goals in the last 4 years. Marner has had some big moments, but the last time he took over a series was the sophomore year against Boston. He was flinging himself in front of those Chara slapshots and we thought we'd found the best winger in the game. He just hasn't done that since.

They're all varying degrees of disappointing, I had to think way too hard and half-ass the heroic moments because they barely have any (goal count for Nylander, come on). But the thing with Marner is that even when he's had his best moments, like this year's goal or big numbers against Tampa last year, he's been overshadowed. He scored 10 points in 4 games last year, but dried up. Rielly was our best player that series, Matthews was incredible, JT got the overtime glory, and we had 5 players over PPG that series. Marner was great, but the point totals don't match the memories.

In what should be one of the all-time greatest playoff comebacks in NHL history, the 3 goals and OT winner against Columbus in game 4, Marner had 3 secondary assists, while Matthews had the winner and two primary assists. Nylander, Tavares, and Hyman all had a goal and an assist. And now we don't even talk about that game because the lot of them laid a goose egg in game 5.

Where is the game we can point to Marner and say, "he did that for us"? Where is the series where he's been our best player? What has he done to cover himself in glory? That's what the ask is. Unfortunately, he hasn't had that since Boston #1, and has plenty of games or even series where people can point to and say, "he was the problem". He had three games against Montreal to put that series to bed, and all he managed in 78 minutes of ice time was 1 primary assist in the second period of game 5. Corey Perry, Eric Staal, Joel Armia, Alex friggin Galchenyuk, and Kotkaniemi outproduced him in those clutch games, they got the glory and Habs fans never hesitate to remind us. And what's worse is that watching him those games it was obvious that he was unplayable. He was our worst player on the ice each and every night. Nylander and Matthews didn't do shit either, but they weren't complete disasters every time they were on the ice.

To heck with point totals, what matters in the playoffs is glory, and Kasperi Kapanen has more playoff glory than Marner.

I'm with you on that. This reminds me of the "should we throw more waffles" thread after salute gate.

If BET99FANDUELMONEYPLZMGMCASINOOOOOOOOOOOO NHL lets me, I'd bet on there being waffles on the ice this year. Whether we boo Marner or not, the fanbase is deeply upset about the general state of the team.

People like to point out that this place is only a tiny minority of the fanbase, and while that's true, this is still somewhat indicative as a sample size. Reddit is a bigger sample and huge numbers of them are furious and fed up as well. The media gives people what they want, and they are pumping out endless Marner schlock because the fanbase is gobbling it up. This place used to be way more positive about Marner and the team, and Reddit used to jump down your throat if you breathed a negative word. Now the numbers have shifted completely; here it's a fairly small cadre of posters who defend Marner.

 

[Hellcat]

But that's not what we see year after year in playoffs. How can anyone watch Leafs playoffs hockey and think Mitch is great games 1-4 is besides me. Year after year you see him play scared perimetr hockey.

Some cherish his 2 point performance in Leafs losing game too much. Sucking for 50 min just to get couple of assists when its 6:1, 5 min to go. That's where Mitch shines, when the game is already over and everyone stopped skating, he gets assist that means nothing.

Not nothing, it gets him LOOOK AT HIS POINT TOTALS GAMES 1-4.

Pathetic games 1-7. If you watch the games, if you are content to jerking to 7:2 results with Mitch having 2 assists, good for you.

Is that what you understood from when I posted, "it's a SERIES, every game is important?" I think I see what the disconnect is now...

 

[Hellcat]

Even how the fans react is tame. I remember having a brief moment after that game 7 thinking this might get ugly and then I filed out with everyone else, walked to my car and drove home. I saw one fight in the street.

The old joke, if Canada declared war, no one would show up... end of the day Canadians are mostly just chill...

 

[Notsince67]

Sad no team wants Marner.

His AAV is just comedy level high.

His next contract on his next team will be a rude awakening.

Tre picked Nylander. We don’t have the cap space for Marner.


He’s going to drive the third line and the second power play. This is a show me year for him.

According to your reasoning, he should have been traded by now

 

[Notsince67]

But that's not what we see year after year in playoffs. How can anyone watch Leafs playoffs hockey and think Mitch is great games 1-4 is besides me. Year after year you see him play scared perimetr hockey.

Some cherish his 2 point performance in Leafs losing game too much. Sucking for 50 min just to get couple of assists when its 6:1, 5 min to go. That's where Mitch shines, when the game is already over and everyone stopped skating, he gets assist that means nothing.

Not nothing, it gets him LOOOK AT HIS POINT TOTALS GAMES 1-4.

Pathetic games 1-7. If you watch the games, if you are content to jerking to 7:2 results with Mitch having 2 assists, good for you.

I'm pretty sure you don't watch games if you believe he is accumulating points after the game is won.
That isn't even close to true.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

According to your reasoning, he should have been traded by now

Ideally, yes.

Nobody wanted him.

 

[Antropovsky]

oh really?

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why is that?

@Dekes For Days

Team wide phenomenon lol? Add Marners 7 mess ups that led to gwg goals against in must win games to the rest of the cores accumulates 1 mess up. 33 games in past 7 playoffs, Marner gifting the gw play in 7 of them. Thats around 21% of losses all because of Marner.

This isnt taking into account the fact his mistakes were all in must win games and not games 1 and 2 if series. In must wuns Marner has caused the loss in probably 70% of the games. Tag that onto him being useless offensively in the must win games...and yes quite easily a primary reason for this teams playoff failure. Not even close to a team phenomenon lol.

 

[Antropovsky]

Ideally, yes.

Nobody wanted him.

Nobody within the organization has publically said they want to work on a contract extension with him but... Marner fans think he hasnr been asked to waive in some capacity lol.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Tavares did better than Matthews in those games.

I just want someone who posts this chart to say Tavares deserves a similar salary to Matthews because of this.



Maybe all those other players should put up points like Marner in the first 4 games, they will probably sweep every series.

Tavares had the advantage of playing with the player who had the most points in those games.

I just want someone to say Nylander deserves a similar salary to Matthews (or even just to Marner) because of this. Actually, I guess Tre did.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Game 7 will always be more important than any of the other games, simply by nature of the pressure that is winner-takes-all. But Gilmour's wrap-around was in game 1 and it's one of the all-time Leafs heroic moments. Marner doesn't have that sort of moment. That playoff game, or better yet, series, where he grabs the team by the scruff of the neck and drags us to a win. That's what the great players do.

Matthews has the game 6 winner against Boston, and has dominated playoff games (here and there) Tavares has the OT winner against the Lightning. Rielly had an absolutely heroic series against Tampa last year, and Nylander has 15 goals in the last 4 years. Marner has had some big moments, but the last time he took over a series was the sophomore year against Boston. He was flinging himself in front of those Chara slapshots and we thought we'd found the best winger in the game. He just hasn't done that since.

They're all varying degrees of disappointing, I had to think way too hard and half-ass the heroic moments because they barely have any (goal count for Nylander, come on). But the thing with Marner is that even when he's had his best moments, like this year's goal or big numbers against Tampa last year, he's been overshadowed. He scored 10 points in 4 games last year, but dried up. Rielly was our best player that series, Matthews was incredible, JT got the overtime glory, and we had 5 players over PPG that series. Marner was great, but the point totals don't match the memories.

In what should be one of the all-time greatest playoff comebacks in NHL history, the 3 goals and OT winner against Columbus in game 4, Marner had 3 secondary assists, while Matthews had the winner and two primary assists. Nylander, Tavares, and Hyman all had a goal and an assist. And now we don't even talk about that game because the lot of them laid a goose egg in game 5.

Where is the game we can point to Marner and say, "he did that for us"? Where is the series where he's been our best player? What has he done to cover himself in glory? That's what the ask is. Unfortunately, he hasn't had that since Boston #1, and has plenty of games or even series where people can point to and say, "he was the problem". He had three games against Montreal to put that series to bed, and all he managed in 78 minutes of ice time was 1 primary assist in the second period of game 5. Corey Perry, Eric Staal, Joel Armia, Alex friggin Galchenyuk, and Kotkaniemi outproduced him in those clutch games, they got the glory and Habs fans never hesitate to remind us. And what's worse is that watching him those games it was obvious that he was unplayable. He was our worst player on the ice each and every night. Nylander and Matthews didn't do shit either, but they weren't complete disasters every time they were on the ice.

To heck with point totals, what matters in the playoffs is glory, and Kasperi Kapanen has more playoff glory than Marner.



If BET99FANDUELMONEYPLZMGMCASINOOOOOOOOOOOO NHL lets me, I'd bet on there being waffles on the ice this year. Whether we boo Marner or not, the fanbase is deeply upset about the general state of the team.

People like to point out that this place is only a tiny minority of the fanbase, and while that's true, this is still somewhat indicative as a sample size. Reddit is a bigger sample and huge numbers of them are furious and fed up as well. The media gives people what they want, and they are pumping out endless Marner schlock because the fanbase is gobbling it up. This place used to be way more positive about Marner and the team, and Reddit used to jump down your throat if you breathed a negative word. Now the numbers have shifted completely; here it's a fairly small cadre of posters who defend Marner.

Good post. One small point - Nylander had the game winner (and the only other goal) in game 6 against Boston.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Team wide phenomenon lol?

Yes, it is a team phenomenon. Refer to the response I already made to the original post.

Add Marners 7 mess ups that led to gwg goals against in must win games to the rest of the cores accumulates 1 mess up.

We can't add things that aren't true.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Nobody within the organization has publically said they want to work on a contract extension with him but... Marner fans think he hasnr been asked to waive in some capacity lol.

The death of Tre would be to re-sign Marner.
He knows he can't do that.

Not alotta teams who have 2 soft perimeter wingers paid >10 AAV. Marner can't carry the puck either. He has to go.

No A. Marner starts the year as the 3C and PP2 quarterback. Willy 2C.

My PP1 is 4 or 5 good shooters, including a D that has a slapshot.

I split the time equally between PP1 and PP2.