Did you hear The NHL owners abolished the salary cap system and the Rangers don't have to work around $49.8M to Panarin, Fox, Zibanejad, Trouba, Kreider and Shesterkin and the Rangers don't have to budget any potential contract extensions to Lafreniere and KAM into a $83.5M cap in 23-24?
Do you want Pierre Luc Dubois on this team?
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Beer League Sniper
Homeless Man's Rick Nash
If we were able to navigate the cap without gutting our team (i.e. eventually having to shuttle one of 13/79/45/74), sure, I'd welcome PLD. As it stands, we have too much cap tied up in too few players, and all of them have seriously restricting trade/movement clauses. Everyone is assuming that we'll be able to move one of 8/20 in two years, but we need to be able to build a cap-compliant team right now.
We have $12M in cap space with 15 players signed (9F/5D/1G). To move Nemeth, it's going to cost a pick we can't afford to move (probably a 3rd). Assuming Chytil is going the other way, that's another $2.3M.
Now, you have $16.7M with 13 players signed (8F/4D/1G). PLD needs a new deal. I don't think there's any way he's signing for under $8M on a long-term deal. Kakko will get somewhere in the $2.5-3M range on a bridge deal, but let's just say $2.7M That leaves you with $6M in cap space to fill out this roster:
Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Dubois-Kakko
3LW-3C-Blais
Motte-Goodrow-Hunt
Reaves
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
3LD-3RD
7D
Shesterkin
2G
Schneider locks in the 3RD spot for $925k. Even assuming one of Kravtsov/Othmann grabs the 3LW spot for $900k and Jones/Robertson gets the 3LD spot for another $900k, that still leaves you with only $3.3M to fill 3C, 7D, and 2G. A scrap-heap 3C is going to cost at least $2M. A 7th D that you don't want to fire into the sun is in the $1.25-1.5M range, at least. A solid backup goalie is another $1.5M. You're already over the cap by a million or two, and I've used pretty rosy figures for the most part.
So yeah, maaaaaaaybe you can squeeze a roster with PLD in under the cap this season. But what happens next season when Miller and Lafreniere (and possibly Kravtsov and Jones) need new deals? The cap isn't going up by more than $1M, and all of your depth pieces already make a pittance. Sure, you free up $3.4M with the Girardi/Shattenkirk/DeAngelo buyouts coming off the books, but it's still not enough. All of our high salaries are locked in with movement clauses.
We have $12M in cap space with 15 players signed (9F/5D/1G). To move Nemeth, it's going to cost a pick we can't afford to move (probably a 3rd). Assuming Chytil is going the other way, that's another $2.3M.
Now, you have $16.7M with 13 players signed (8F/4D/1G). PLD needs a new deal. I don't think there's any way he's signing for under $8M on a long-term deal. Kakko will get somewhere in the $2.5-3M range on a bridge deal, but let's just say $2.7M That leaves you with $6M in cap space to fill out this roster:
Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Dubois-Kakko
3LW-3C-Blais
Motte-Goodrow-Hunt
Reaves
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
3LD-3RD
7D
Shesterkin
2G
Schneider locks in the 3RD spot for $925k. Even assuming one of Kravtsov/Othmann grabs the 3LW spot for $900k and Jones/Robertson gets the 3LD spot for another $900k, that still leaves you with only $3.3M to fill 3C, 7D, and 2G. A scrap-heap 3C is going to cost at least $2M. A 7th D that you don't want to fire into the sun is in the $1.25-1.5M range, at least. A solid backup goalie is another $1.5M. You're already over the cap by a million or two, and I've used pretty rosy figures for the most part.
So yeah, maaaaaaaybe you can squeeze a roster with PLD in under the cap this season. But what happens next season when Miller and Lafreniere (and possibly Kravtsov and Jones) need new deals? The cap isn't going up by more than $1M, and all of your depth pieces already make a pittance. Sure, you free up $3.4M with the Girardi/Shattenkirk/DeAngelo buyouts coming off the books, but it's still not enough. All of our high salaries are locked in with movement clauses.
Posted this recently. Comes in under 84M for 23-24. This assumes 2 year bridge deals for Lafreniere and Miller, which is not ideal.
If you need to (or should) pay them more, that likely comes from trading away Goodrow and/or Lindgren.
I admit Dubois at 7 would be a bit of a stretch. I do think he could come under 8.
Panarin 11.642
Zibanejad 8.5
Dubois 7
Kreider 6.5
Lafreniere 3.8
Goodrow 3.642
Kakko 2.3
Blais 2
Kravtsov 1.8
Rydahl 1
Hunt 1
Othmann 0.894
Cuylle 0.828
Fox 9.5
Trouba 8
Miller 3.8
Lindgren 3
Jones 1
Schneider 0.925
Robertson 0.798
Shesterkin 5.667
Garand 0.828
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Mac n Gs
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The problem with this team is that it’ll run into the same exact issues we did this season. The bottom-6 depth is terrible, and the Rangers will just be forced to add at the deadline to fill in roles, which then gets into the problem of them trading the majority of their future assets while having a relatively thin prospect pipeline. It’s not sustainable.
Nemeth has a 8 team NTC. Everyone has Winnipeg on their list.
How are the Rangers paying Dubois, paying everyone else they have to pay, and paying their current commitments with a $82.5M cap this coming season and $83.5M cap in 23-24?
Can someone please answer that question? Thank you. I will hang up and listen.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Not for that.
He has a career high of 61 points and a history of his defensive play going in and out.
That's a package you trade for a top 10 center in the league. Eichel got less than that.
He has a career high of 61 points and a history of his defensive play going in and out.
That's a package you trade for a top 10 center in the league. Eichel got less than that.
This is not the NBA where teams pay their top 3 players all of the money and fill the roster with role players and shooters signed to cheap contracts.
The same logic applies to the Rangers situation. They can't keep sacrificing 2 or 3 players to pay 1 player. The math doesn't work. The Rangers had the ability to add players at the deadline without worrying about the cap. That was a one-time thing. The Rangers will not have much if any flexibility to add players at the deadline without worrying about the cap. I read that a lot of this board. The Rangers won't go into this coming season with $6M-$7M in cap space which accrues to 5x-6x by the trading deadline. Money in and money out from now on.
These people are f***ing crazy.
Larrybiv
We're CLEAN, we PROMISE!
They really seem to. IMO Kadri is what this team really needs. Would change things up dramatically. We have to "instill" that drive to the net mentality. Otherwise we ain't ever winning that coveted cup. Just look at what Colorado was doing to a worn out TB team. They had no answers.
We had them by the throat but there was NO killer instinct, they only knew how to come from behind, not to lead.
In regard to KK, he needs time to figure out WHO he is and how he would be most valuable. Thats especially on the COACHES, that IS part of their job.
Chytil out of nowhere has jumped KK, now it's KK's time to jump him. Pushing each other, getting better every day and Laffy will STAY above those, IMO.
We need to give up an asset to move Nemeth out to a team that isn’t WPG, the Kakko contract needs to be low, and Vatrano + Motte both walk. The roster is filled out with 1M signings and kids. Dubois stays in the low 7M range.
My math for 23-24 is explained a few posts prior.
Beer League Sniper
Homeless Man's Rick Nash
To address the bolded figures (these are just my opinions, of course):
-Dubois comes in higher
-Kakko comes in higher
-Blais is a UFA. If he plays well enough that we actually want to keep him, he comes in higher.
-Rydahl is the same story as Blais, but has a chance of being close to that number. Still think he comes in higher if he's actually worth a damn.
-Jones will come in higher if he's a regular this season, which your roster hinges upon.
-Robertson will not sit as a 7th D. It's 3LD or Hartford for him.
-Garand will not be the backup next season, even if he has an insane year for Hartford. He's a young goalie that needs development. He won't be sitting behind Igor until he's mostly a finished product, which won't be next season.
Not trying to be rude or anything. You put effort into your response, and I appreciate that.
Sure, I agree my post is all best case scenarios.
That’s why I said if those numbers are higher, it’s goodbye Goodrow or Lindgren. If Laf and Miller are higher as well, it’s goodbye both. Let’s say Goodrow is replaced with a 1M vet. That opens up $2.642M.
Dubois > 7.5M
Kakko > 2.5M
Blais > 2.3M
Jones > 1.7M
Rydahl > 1.3M
Still works if we move Goodrow.
When I list a 7th D, I really mean first call up. Give yourself a bottom salary equivalent there for Robertson.
I do think we see Garand as soon as next season.
Fitzy
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What I want at 2C is a Steve Rucchin type. Good size and range, two way, 20-30-50 production, mid range cap hit (4-5 million), 2nd PP unit, first PK option with Goodrow. Of course, Rucchin in his prime years was the Ducks 1C but when Adam Oates/Fedorov came over, he slotted very nicely behind him.
That's the kind of player you can put between Panarin and Kravtsov and not worry about it.
I don't see Dubois as that guy, and I think we'd be paying a lot between the assets and the cap for a 1B center, which is a luxury we can't afford with Trouba.
That's the kind of player you can put between Panarin and Kravtsov and not worry about it.
I don't see Dubois as that guy, and I think we'd be paying a lot between the assets and the cap for a 1B center, which is a luxury we can't afford with Trouba.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
Pretty well any major deal done now has to be looked at either short term or long term . What does the club need for a short term Cup victory ? One and done....it's that simple and then tear it down and rebuild like the Pens did for their next two Cups . Which route will Drury choose ? If they are looking short term....that needs to be a Cup in the next 2 seasons.....how far removed are we from that equation talent wise and money wise.....??? I honestly don't know what they should do.....I hope Drury has a plan.
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Winnipeg would want Chytil IMO. After the playoffs he had.... I'm inclined to sell high. We wont be able to afford him after this season. It's a pre-emptive move.
Why would anyone want Kakko? He also is the cheaper option for us.
I see the deal being around Chytil, Lundkvist/Schneider for PLD.
I could also see this as a negotiation tactic by Drury for Strome/Copp.
Why would anyone want Kakko? He also is the cheaper option for us.
I see the deal being around Chytil, Lundkvist/Schneider for PLD.
I could also see this as a negotiation tactic by Drury for Strome/Copp.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Kakko is the best natural RW currently in the organization
rangers1314
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If it's Chytil+Lundkvist, I'd do it.
He's a Laffy type bull when he wants to be. Maybe that type of connection pushes him. His Goal total may take a hit with Kreider here on the PP... he'd also be a natural replacement for him, if/when he is traded.
If the deal makes sense...
He's a Laffy type bull when he wants to be. Maybe that type of connection pushes him. His Goal total may take a hit with Kreider here on the PP... he'd also be a natural replacement for him, if/when he is traded.
If the deal makes sense...
EdJovanovski
#FreeRempe
Larrybiv
We're CLEAN, we PROMISE!
They really seem to. IMO Kadri is what this team really needs. Would change things up dramatically. We have to "instill" that drive to the net mentality. Otherwise we ain't ever winning that coveted cup. Just look at what Colorado was doing to a worn out TB team. They had no answers.
We had them by the throat but there was NO killer instinct, they only knew how to come from behind, not to lead.
In regard to KK, he needs time to figure out WHO he is and how he would be most valuable. Thats especially on the COACHES, that IS part of their job.
Chytil out of nowhere has jumped KK, now it's KK's time to jump him. Pushing each other, getting better every day and Laffy will STAY above those, IMO.
I feel we need to start being VERY CAREFUL about giving away our 1st's so readily. We already lost one due to Copp.
Even though these "low firsts" might not become superstars, they just might become solid NHL'ers. Nothing is guaranteed, but I would still be wary. These picks will help in the sustainability that we all want.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Kakko has the same PPG in the NHL as Kravtsov does in the KHL so you can kindly get that noise out of here in Finnish
EdJovanovski
#FreeRempe
KHL is much lower scoring than the NHL
And a point isn’t a point. A confident point earned in Kravtsov’s nonchalant fashion as his dirty blonde locs flow in the wind >>> an awkward nervous Kakko puberty acne point. You know why Kakko is so good along the walls/in the corner? That’s where he stood at all the school dances and when his team goes to the club
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
pld459666
Registered User
Not for that price, no.
I still have faith that Kaapo will be our version of Jere Lehtinen.
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