Do you want Pierre Luc Dubois on this team?

[Taluss]

Yes. Irrevocably. You’ll find ample posts from me prior to his trade to Winnipeg saying he was the perfect 2C for this teams build and that remains true. He put up 60 points this year with the majority of his production coming 5v5. He has no confusion about where the d zone is and has size and a physical edge. We don’t need a 90 point 1C - we already have it. We need a 60+ point 2C who can play both ways. PLD fits in every capacity - age, style, role, production.

We hold onto all of the kids, tell ourselves patience will win us multiple Cups, and wait patiently because of what they COULD be, end up hitting on 50%, missing on 50% and we never end win one Cup. Or we make some tough decisions, go for it while Shesty is cheap, the vets are in their prime, etc. and - EVEN if we do end up trading a player who goes on to have 5 all star seasons - we end up with much better chances of winning 1 or 2 Cups in the next 5 years.

I’ll take scenario 2 all day. I’d rather go all in and try to win one or two Cups in the next 5 years than keep all the kids because I’m so afraid of trading “the wrong one” and never winning a Cup at all. We NEED a 2C. PLD fits the age, the style, the role. I am fine with paying for him. 100%

Couldn’t have said it better.

 

[robertocarlos]

Schneider for PLD.

 

[NickyFotiu]

No. Overrated all around game, and doesn’t produce on his own. Barely produces with top talent either. Dubois was only a 60 point player with Panarin, fell off bad after Panarin left, goes to Winnipeg and is only a 60 point player yet again, being significantly out produced by the archaic Blake Wheeler, Mark Scheifele, Kyle Connor, and Nic Ehlers. All 4 players were right near PPG or over.

Andrew Copp outproduced Dubois this season as well. 18 points in 16 regular season games with us, had 35 in 56 with the Jets (51 points.)

Dubois is closer to a Copp level player than Scheifele, Wheeler, Ehlers, or Connor. He has never shown the ability to drive his own line and didn’t even have chemistry with Panarin, they just happened to be the Jackets two best players.

I’d rather just re-sign Copp. Dubois will cost assets that hurt, and will get a similar contract to Hertl/Couturier if signed long term. Massive mistake unless we give up a nothing return. Give me Scheifele instead if we’re going all out for a center


Kind of

I feel PLD is much more physical and faster than Copp.

 

[UnSandvich]

Quitter.

 

[Lays]

I feel PLD is much more physical and faster than Copp.

His physically is overrated. Faster yes. Otherwise they’re in the same tier of player. Dubois isnt in that Scheifele/Connor/Wheeler/Ehlers tier in Winnipeg

 

[n8]

let me break this down.

That package - NO WAY
The AAV you'll have to commit to resign him - NO WAY
His play - He played with Kyle Connor and had a 60 point season to show for it. He isn't going to magically do any better playing with Panarin. His style might not even suit Panarin. Faceoff win of 46.9% NO THANKS. Can't kill penalties. NO THANKS.

 

[NickyFotiu]

His physically is overrated. Faster yes. Otherwise they’re in the same tier of player. Dubois isnt in that Scheifele/Connor/Wheeler/Ehlers tier in Winnipeg

In my limited view of PLD he was much more physical than Copp. I believe he is also bigger. Reading the Jets board some mentioned they would rather move Wheeler and keep PLD.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

It's a very Sather-eqsue flashy move. I can see him coming here and putting up 42-51 points and everyone trying to justify he's an analytics darling.

I'd much rather spread the wealth and pay less for a Nic Roy, Nick Bonino, or sign a UFA and keep the depth high.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Yes. Irrevocably. You’ll find ample posts from me prior to his trade to Winnipeg saying he was the perfect 2C for this teams build and that remains true. He put up 60 points this year with the majority of his production coming 5v5. He has no confusion about where the d zone is and has size and a physical edge. We don’t need a 90 point 1C - we already have it. We need a 60+ point 2C who can play both ways. PLD fits in every capacity - age, style, role, production.

We hold onto all of the kids, tell ourselves patience will win us multiple Cups, and wait patiently because of what they COULD be, end up hitting on 50%, missing on 50% and we never end win one Cup. Or we make some tough decisions, go for it while Shesty is cheap, the vets are in their prime, etc. and - EVEN if we do end up trading a player who goes on to have 5 all star seasons - we end up with much better chances of winning 1 or 2 Cups in the next 5 years.

I’ll take scenario 2 all day. I’d rather go all in and try to win one or two Cups in the next 5 years than keep all the kids because I’m so afraid of trading “the wrong one” and never winning a Cup at all. We NEED a 2C. PLD fits the age, the style, the role. I am fine with paying for him. 100%

I agree with you 100% but the acquisition cost and his salary are the question marks.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Like I said before Kakko is Marcel Hossa 2.0 trade him while he has value. He has not improved statistically in any of his seasons with the Rangers.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

44% career at the dot, primadonna, 106 PIM last year


The hardest off passes at really any cost that includes Kakko or a 1st. He's not the guy

 

[RangersFan1994]

only if we keep Laf/Kakko/Chytil. if not then no, no reason to give up on those guys only to give yourself cap problems.

I rather give up Kakko over Schneider in a trade for Dubois. Top 6 dman are harder to find.

We are not going to get Dubois for Robertson, Lundkvist and 1st. some value will have to be traded here unless Dubois says privately that he wants to play for NYR.

 

[Draft Guru]

Huge no thank you on PLD.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Rather have McDavid but if its PLD or Copp or Pld or Chytil than I think PLD is a improvement in multiple ways.

You don’t say

 

[Lays]

In my limited view of PLD he was much more physical than Copp. I believe he is also bigger. Reading the Jets board some mentioned they would rather move Wheeler and keep PLD.

They want to move Wheeler to shake up their locker room. Doesn’t change the fact he had as many points as Dubois this season in 16 less games despite being 35. And throughout his career he averages 40-45% on faceoffs. I could see him transitioning back to LW in the near-future considering his defensive game isn’t great and he doesn’t drive play or carry linemates. He’s a complimentary center with upside to be a driver but he just feels like a player that never hits his full potential. Always leaves you wanting more

 

[CLW]

In my limited view of PLD he was much more physical than Copp. I believe he is also bigger. Reading the Jets board some mentioned they would rather move Wheeler and keep PLD.

Wheeler is 300 years old.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I like PLD a lot as a player, but I still think taking the path of least resistance is the best plan for this offseason. Re-sign Copp and Motte, try to shed some bad salary in Nemeth/Reaves, and maybe make a smart forward addition making a trade for Nick Robertson. I really don't see how the salary will work with a PLD extension, even if we aim to keep it around $6.5-7M per year. Copp adds the perfect amount of versatility with how he can be shifted around the top-9. I think Robertson can be that waterbug type of player similar to Vatrano that adds a young kid with a ton of speed, skill, and positional versatility to the lineup. There's no room for him in Toronto, and we can be good trade partners for a D prospect if they're potentially losing Sandin.

No idea what Motte is getting on this rumored deal, but I'll be optimistic and guess 4 x $1.95M (I personally don't like it, and this is just a complete guess on my part).

Copp: 6 x $5.25M
Charlie Lindgren 1 x $950k

Matt Robertson for Nick Robertson
Bury Nemeth/Reaves if you have to do so:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Copp-Lafrenière
Kravtsov-Chytil-Robertson
Motte-Goodrow-Blais

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider

Igor
Lindgren

Not sure if it works cap wise, but it gives enough room for growth, has a good balance of player types, and should allow us to have some breathing room to backfill lineup spots for potential injuries.
Igor

 

[CLW]

Sorry, I forgot he is only RFA for 2 years. Rangers should just wait 2 years, jettison some salary, and then sign PLD.

Or Aho, much better option. 2 more years of Carolina not winning the cup. Yeah, Aho is out of there.

 

[NickyFotiu]

You don’t say

I do say. I also said I wanted Messier, Gretz and Jagr. Id also like Crosby.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Zibby - PLD down the middle is the kind of center depth we could have only dreamt of for years. We have plenty of wingers on the team and in the system. I'd give Kakko and Lundkvist plus a pick (not a 1st) but i'm not sure how we can afford it with the cap.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Would do for trouba straight up

 

[Kocur26]

Kakko
Lundkvist
Garrand
Nemeth
Gets it done

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Kakko
Lundkvist
Garrand
Nemeth
Gets it done

Let’s get spicier and propose a sign and trade where Winnipeg needs to retain 25% on a contract with term :stirspot:

 

[haveandare]

He’s intriguing but I also thought his pity party in Columbus was truly ridiculous and embarrassing. Wouldn’t move Kakko for him personally, definitely not Kakko plus a first when we already don’t have one this year.

 

[AirGut]

I like PLD a lot as a player, but I still think taking the path of least resistance is the best plan for this offseason. Re-sign Copp and Motte, try to shed some bad salary in Nemeth/Reaves, and maybe make a smart forward addition making a trade for Nick Robertson. I really don't see how the salary will work with a PLD extension, even if we aim to keep it around $6.5-7M per year. Copp adds the perfect amount of versatility with how he can be shifted around the top-9. I think Robertson can be that waterbug type of player similar to Vatrano that adds a young kid with a ton of speed, skill, and positional versatility to the lineup. There's no room for him in Toronto, and we can be good trade partners for a D prospect if they're potentially losing Sandin.

No idea what Motte is getting on this rumored deal, but I'll be optimistic and guess 4 x $1.95M (I personally don't like it, and this is just a complete guess on my part).

Copp: 6 x $5.25M
Charlie Lindgren 1 x $950k

Matt Robertson for Nick Robertson
Bury Nemeth/Reaves if you have to do so:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Copp-Lafrenière
Kravtsov-Chytil-Robertson
Motte-Goodrow-Blais

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider

Igor
Lindgren

Not sure if it works cap wise, but it gives enough room for growth, has a good balance of player types, and should allow us to have some breathing room to backfill lineup spots for potential injuries.
Igor

I'd rather have Dubois signed to a $6Mx1 or $6Mx2 than Copp extended at that price point for 6 long years. Strome walks, Vatrano walks, Braun walks, Rooney walks,

Chytil+Lundkvist+2nd for Dubois

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Dubois-Lafreniere
Motte-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Blais-Brodz.-Reaves


at that point your top-6 is set and poised for a cup run and the main questions are what happens within the bottom-6
Drury still has the ability to move Kravtsov for a bottom-6 role player, which seems likely still. I don't envision Kravtsov staying as front offices never forget a shit stirring player