Chytil in this deal would pretty much defeat the purpose of getting him.
I’d rather stay clear. I don’t think he’s a good fit here.
I’d rather stay clear. I don’t think he’s a good fit here.
Do you want Pierre Luc Dubois on this team?
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Rangers in 7
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He’s a terrible center who can’t win draws
So I’m that sense he’d be perfect for this team
I don’t want him
So I’m that sense he’d be perfect for this team
I don’t want him
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Many reason to not want Dubois.
His performance in the FO circle is not one of them.
Neither Colorado or Tampa were good at FOs this year. Colorado was actually worse than the Rangers were during the regular season.
His performance in the FO circle is not one of them.
Neither Colorado or Tampa were good at FOs this year. Colorado was actually worse than the Rangers were during the regular season.
Kocur26
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Dijock94
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This is the most frustrating part of being a Rangers fan, we always want the shiny new toy. It’s also most likely the main reason we have one Cup since world war 2. We will gut our prospect pool and depth for a big name. Imagine keeping all of our prospects and also adding more every draft.
Chytil
Kakko
Lafreniere
Fox
Miller
Lindgren
Schneider
Kravstov
Othmann
Cuylle
Jones
Roberston
This is already a core that can give you cup runs for a decade when they come into their prime. I don’t understand why we can’t move Goodrow to 3C and give Chytil a legit shot at 2C. Give Lafreniere that PP1 spot for Strome and let these kids grow.
Chytil
Kakko
Lafreniere
Fox
Miller
Lindgren
Schneider
Kravstov
Othmann
Cuylle
Jones
Roberston
This is already a core that can give you cup runs for a decade when they come into their prime. I don’t understand why we can’t move Goodrow to 3C and give Chytil a legit shot at 2C. Give Lafreniere that PP1 spot for Strome and let these kids grow.
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
McRanger92
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This is the hard truth that people can’t except. He is not on the level of Laf or Miller
McRanger92
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Dubois is young, productive & large. Don’t over think it. If he’s available, and you can avoid giving up Laf/Miller/Schneider, it’s a no brainer.
Anyone worried about “attitude” problems with him should look no further than Zibanejad, who had the same knock against him when he got here and will probably end up with his number retired.
As for the cap implications, Chytil is going to ask for just as much as Dubois if he breaks out next year and Kakko is most likely a goner regardless because Laf has passed him, Kravtsov is cheaper and Othmann is hot on his heals. We have to make hard decisions either way, might as well deal some disappointing youth for a young center we know is good.
Anyone worried about “attitude” problems with him should look no further than Zibanejad, who had the same knock against him when he got here and will probably end up with his number retired.
As for the cap implications, Chytil is going to ask for just as much as Dubois if he breaks out next year and Kakko is most likely a goner regardless because Laf has passed him, Kravtsov is cheaper and Othmann is hot on his heals. We have to make hard decisions either way, might as well deal some disappointing youth for a young center we know is good.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I think I still might do it even at the proposed price. We know Panarin-PLD work, so that helps.
Panarin has inside on Dubois and traits and whatnot. Rangers might be able to get him at a lower cost if if the Jets get what they want.
I would not be shocked if the deal is Kakko, Lundkvist, Chytil (depends on if NYR want to sell high on his recent playoff performance) if not Chytil than 1st with something like Robertson or
Kakko Lundkvist Chytil 1st for Dubois and Stanley
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Not giving up both Chytil and Kakko that's an overpayment.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
All fair points. The other thing to keep in mind is he's still only 24. Drafted just 1 year ahead of Chytil. He could be a fixture for years to come. Hard to find these types of centers in their early to mid 20's on the trade market. It's why I wanted Eichel badly too. I know Dubois isn't at that level yet.
It's not a clear cut absolutely make the deal situation, giving up Kakko, Nils and another 1st but I am leaning towards it being worthwhile. But I understand any sort of apprehension with the price, not to mention trading another 1st.
McRanger92
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Honestly, I’d try to hold the ‘23 1st over Kakko or Nils. Either way there’s a deal to be made that will help both NYR & WIN
egelband
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I do think Drury has a good eye for talent. So if he sees something worth paying for in Dubois, I wouldn’t kvetch. But I’d also like them to avoid overpaying. Dubois cost Winnipeg a decent prospect in Roslovic and Laine at his lowest value. Now Dubois is going to start to cost a lot of cap and apparently wants out. I would hope that, if Drury does see something in him, he doesn’t go crazy and overpay.
Tob
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This is no different than the Nash "We don't want you" or the Jack Eichel version of the same thing. Until it gets close and it happens and it's a fair deal at worse, lots of people won't want him.
I also prefer to assume out of stubbornness that this is still, STILL, Drury offering Lundkvist+Kravtsov+pick to every single GM around the league to see who the best near term cost controlled young C he can get is.
I also prefer to assume out of stubbornness that this is still, STILL, Drury offering Lundkvist+Kravtsov+pick to every single GM around the league to see who the best near term cost controlled young C he can get is.
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I didn't read the proposed offer before voting
That is simply too much to give up without knowing how we will navigate our tumultuous cap situation. If there was some magical way to see into the future and see that we are able to keep PLD on an extension at a good price and it doesn't sacrifice other major parts of our team then yes, but that just feels like wishing on a dandelion right now
That is simply too much to give up without knowing how we will navigate our tumultuous cap situation. If there was some magical way to see into the future and see that we are able to keep PLD on an extension at a good price and it doesn't sacrifice other major parts of our team then yes, but that just feels like wishing on a dandelion right now
It's because of the makeup of literally everyone else on the roster you didn't mention. Outside of Fox those are all nice names on a piece of paper but they don't pay the rent for NYR. The guys that do are named Shesterkin, Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin and the latter three are currently in their prime and will start to regress soon. Every single championship team has guys in their prime putting up numbers both in the regular season and playoffs and the rookies fill out the rest of the roster and overproduce their ELCs. That's how you have to win in the cap era (unless you're Tampa and you circumvent that shit by 18 million). Our window to win started this year, ahead of schedule. But it is here and Drury and co. know that.
All that being said, PLD is absolutely not the guy and I do not want him. It makes absolutely no sense not to resign Copp when we got a live look at his body of work with this team when we've already given WPG assets. Why would we give them more for a younger version of Copp who has undeniably been questioned about his work ethic
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Inferno
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The porblem is his contract.. it's.... A lot. And I wouldn't want him for just 2 years I'd want him for the long term
In reality if we could trade Chris kreider plus for dubois, then yes I'd do it 100%. That would open up the possibility of doing this and making it work financially.
Lafreniere Mika kakko
Panarin dubois Copp
Blais chytil kravtsov
Brodzinski goodrow motte
It's really hard for me to rationalize moving the kids for him because of the crippling effect it would have on our salary cap situation going forward.
In reality if we could trade Chris kreider plus for dubois, then yes I'd do it 100%. That would open up the possibility of doing this and making it work financially.
Lafreniere Mika kakko
Panarin dubois Copp
Blais chytil kravtsov
Brodzinski goodrow motte
It's really hard for me to rationalize moving the kids for him because of the crippling effect it would have on our salary cap situation going forward.
Chimpradamus
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No. I'm not trading for any player that has openly said he wants to play for an organization that isn't ours coupled with the fact, again, that it just doesn't work cap-wise (especially in year 2). I'll take my chances with Chytill.
Priorae
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I think Drury is evaluating this as a second line center / Artemi pairing. So it’s more of who is the best value for that 6M. To me that removes Chytl from any trade consideration.
I like PD better than Copp. I like Copp better than Strome. I probably like a really cheap strome better than both of them.
In the end I don’t think the rangers success this off season will be determined by this decision but by the development of other guys. To me, this is kind of a “just order a drink I’m watching the game” sort of deal.
I like PD better than Copp. I like Copp better than Strome. I probably like a really cheap strome better than both of them.
In the end I don’t think the rangers success this off season will be determined by this decision but by the development of other guys. To me, this is kind of a “just order a drink I’m watching the game” sort of deal.
Can the Rangers trade for a player who will be on the team for more than the next 11 months or 23 months? No problem trading away certain assets for someone who will be there long-term. How about 3 years? It has to work financially. Did the salary cap go away? Too many people overlook at that pert of the equation. I read and hear people discuss projected lineups and I ask "how the f*** does the money work?". It doesn't.
