Do you want Pierre Luc Dubois on this team?

[Off Sides]

That is not the only cost, at his guesstimated cap hit, it's more like whoever they trade for him, and then whoever becomes the cap casualty next year when they are trying to extend the RFAs.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The answer is yes but as others have said at what cost. I would do Chytil+Lundkvist+ a second rounder but only if he signs long term. I'm not giving up those assets for 2 years and the guy can walk. I also think Chytil is going to be a very good player and Lundkvist has top 4 potential as a RHD.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Not at that price. Dude will demand a trade to Montreal in a few years anyway.

Meh, that was some fake rumor. He barely has a single tie to MTL. Rumor was he just wants to test the market and not sign long term, AKA him telling the Jets he doesnt want a long term contract from them.

 

[Off Sides]

I know people do not like it but

11.6 Panarin
9.5M Fox
8.5M Zbad
8M Trouba
6.5M Kreider
5.6M Shesterkin

Is about ~50M

Even if they signed PLD to his 6M qualifier

56M used on only 7 players is not going to leave room for the other 14-16 or so players they need to ice a good roster, if any of those players carry any sort of cap hit, like 3.6M Goodrow, or 3M Lindgren, or whatever the extensions cost for RFAs, Miller, Laff, Krav, who quite possibly may get more than the Lindgren 3M bridge.

I like the player, PLD, he would fit great, yet the Rangers are giving up more than whatever it is they trade for him due to cap constraints. (not just him if they extend Copp for example, similar situation)

 

[will1066]

PLD would certainly not mind creating a streak of being traded for 2OA Finnish wingers.

 

[Leonardo87]

Do the Rangers even have the cap to do it?

 

[Lays]

No. Overrated all around game, and doesn’t produce on his own. Barely produces with top talent either. Dubois was only a 60 point player with Panarin, fell off bad after Panarin left, goes to Winnipeg and is only a 60 point player yet again, being significantly out produced by the archaic Blake Wheeler, Mark Scheifele, Kyle Connor, and Nic Ehlers. All 4 players were right near PPG or over.

Andrew Copp outproduced Dubois this season as well. 18 points in 16 regular season games with us, had 35 in 56 with the Jets (51 points.)

Dubois is closer to a Copp level player than Scheifele, Wheeler, Ehlers, or Connor. He has never shown the ability to drive his own line and didn’t even have chemistry with Panarin, they just happened to be the Jackets two best players.

I’d rather just re-sign Copp. Dubois will cost assets that hurt, and will get a similar contract to Hertl/Couturier if signed long term. Massive mistake unless we give up a nothing return. Give me Scheifele instead if we’re going all out for a center

Do the Rangers even have the cap to do it?

Kind of

 

[n8]

 

[Savant]

They shouldn’t trade for him, if they can’t sign him

 

[jaywills1020]

If it’s Kakko, Nils and a first then I would say no. They need to find a shooter to play with Panarin.

 

[eco's bones]

As far as draft pedigree there really isn’t much difference between Dubois and Kakko. One was taken 3OA in 2016 and the other 2OA in 2019. Kakko improves year to year but we’re still waiting for some kind of offensive breakout. It’s not like Dubois’ 60 points is something tremendous but it’s commensurate with good production for a 2C and center is better than RW. I‘d value Dubois over Kakko. A couple things though 1) the Jets are going to want more than just Kakko. What that + would be helps make a deal or doesn’t. 2) cap and re-sign considerations for before Dubois’ current contract ends. Kakko’s future earnings at the moment look like they might be more controllable.

Potential adds: Nils, Kravtsov, Jones, Robertson, a 1st. On the 1st—if you’re figuring our window is open and we’re going to be drafting somewhere between 22 and 32 it’s not the same as being a lottery team. Just saying.

Would I move Chytil instead? Probably but at least right now I’d add less than with Kakko.

 

[cwede]

Would he be good, would coach Turk get lot from him yes. But if he wants his payday, would be hard to fit maybe even Kreider money added to NYR Cap

 

[mas0764]

Kakko as a base for PLD is a great deal.

Only thing I don’t like about the proposed price is the 1st round pick. You need those to keep the farm strong and bolster lineups at deadlines. I think Kakko and Lundkvist is plenty. Maybe a 3rd round pick or a lower level prospect or something. Not a 1st.

We aren’t trading Kakko.

 

[EdJovanovski]

No

 

[mas0764]

My gut feeling is Rangers would want to work out a contract extension beforehand and this might be good for the Jets since they would get more out of a trade


I would do Kakko Chytil one of Lundkvist or Jones with a (future 1st) or Dubois Stanley with (6 or 7 year contract extension for Dubois) but only if extension is included. Only thing that concerns me is that this does not make the Rangers quicker team but it does fill a need here.

Ridiculous overpayment.

 

[Crease]

I don't know the cost and everything.

You don’t know a lot of things.

 

[mas0764]

I know people do not like it but

11.6 Panarin
9.5M Fox
8.5M Zbad
8M Trouba
6.5M Kreider
5.6M Shesterkin

Is about ~50M

Even if they signed PLD to his 6M qualifier

56M used on only 7 players is not going to leave room for the other 14-16 or so players they need to ice a good roster, if any of those players carry any sort of cap hit, like 3.6M Goodrow, or 3M Lindgren, or whatever the extensions cost for RFAs, Miller, Laff, Krav, who quite possibly may get more than the Lindgren 3M bridge.

I like the player, PLD, he would fit great, yet the Rangers are giving up more than whatever it is they trade for him due to cap constraints. (not just him if they extend Copp for example, similar situation)

Well one of Trouba or Kreider is getting moved within the next 2 years most likely.

 

[robertocarlos]

Who made the KID line work? Laf? We want Laf. We can add.

 

[bbny]

We aren’t trading Kakko.

Might want to hedge your bet and sell your Kakko jersey just in case!

 

[mas0764]

Who made the KID line work? Laf? We want Laf. We can add.

You aren’t getting Laf or Kakko. If no deal then no deal.

 

[robertocarlos]

Are people seriously thinking this is a good idea after watching Val Nichuskin this playoffs? Power forwards take time, Kakko is no different. I would rather move a player and sign Kadri than this nonsense.

It's good you are not the GM, you make too much sense. Jet fans are afraid of Kadri. He might prove them wrong.

 

[robertocarlos]

Not at that price. Dude will demand a trade to Montreal in a few years anyway.

Sorry, I forgot he is only RFA for 2 years. Rangers should just wait 2 years, jettison some salary, and then sign PLD.

 

[Taluss]

You aren’t getting Laf or Kakko. If no deal then no deal.

I doubt it would happen but Kakko being traded wouldn’t shock me

 

[zlev]

only if we keep Laf/Kakko/Chytil. if not then no, no reason to give up on those guys only to give yourself cap problems.

 

[LokiDog]

Yes. Irrevocably. You’ll find ample posts from me prior to his trade to Winnipeg saying he was the perfect 2C for this teams build and that remains true. He put up 60 points this year with the majority of his production coming 5v5. He has no confusion about where the d zone is and has size and a physical edge. We don’t need a 90 point 1C - we already have it. We need a 60+ point 2C who can play both ways. PLD fits in every capacity - age, style, role, production.

We hold onto all of the kids, tell ourselves patience will win us multiple Cups, and wait patiently because of what they COULD be, end up hitting on 50%, missing on 50% and we never end win one Cup. Or we make some tough decisions, go for it while Shesty is cheap, the vets are in their prime, etc. and - EVEN if we do end up trading a player who goes on to have 5 all star seasons - we end up with much better chances of winning 1 or 2 Cups in the next 5 years.

I’ll take scenario 2 all day. I’d rather go all in and try to win one or two Cups in the next 5 years than keep all the kids because I’m so afraid of trading “the wrong one” and never winning a Cup at all. We NEED a 2C. PLD fits the age, the style, the role. I am fine with paying for him. 100%