Do you want Pierre Luc Dubois on this team?
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Machinehead
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He just turned 21 in February and he's been working!
Now that he's on vacation, he's gonna get all the women.
Not sure how I feel about my vote being publicly visible. Lol
bbny
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Sadly, that says so much more about the current state of the RW position in the organization than it does about Kakko.
Operating purely on subjective opinion, I do think Kravtsov in his first year will be more productive than Kakko has been in 3 years, assuming Kravtsov is actually still here for next season. Not a terribly high bar to clear.
mas voted Yes . Can't believe it
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Chytil and Lundquist plus a small add, not higher than a 2nd, I would do, IF he was on a reasonable, by reasonable I mean up to 7mil, extension past the two years. In the third year the cap will start exploding, but honestly don't know if we can make over 5.5 work for the first two years.
@Filthy Dangles I was just poking some fun, hope you didn’t take offense.
Anyway I don’t think PLD is the answer. Guy does not want to commit to a team it seems and think he may not be a good teammate and the cap hit is something they can’t afford now.
Anyway I don’t think PLD is the answer. Guy does not want to commit to a team it seems and think he may not be a good teammate and the cap hit is something they can’t afford now.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
How is Krebs, Tuch, 1st, 2nd less than Kakko, Lundkvist, 1st?
Krebs is a better prospect than Nils, We can only hope Kakko becomes Tuch and unless the Rangers suck next year which I grant is certainly possible, those two picks are worth more than a single 1st.
Machinehead
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Yeah I guess you're right, but still. Two top prospects and a first is a package for an all-world player, not a guy who would be your second best center.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Voted yes but that was before I saw the price in the original post.
I'd very much like PLD on this team. He's a very good fit stylistically to be the 2c on this team, especially factoring in his history with Panarin.
However, Kakko, Nils and a 1st is too much to give up for PLD.
Nils should be enough to be the headline piece in the deal.
I think Nils+1st Round pick is very fair, especially if it's next year's pick. Would want it lottery protected if possible.
Fiala went for a 1st+good D prospect. Idk how you can justify paying more than that for PLD at this point in time. Obviously that deal had the cap implications hanging over the head and he needed to be signed to big money but still, Fiala is a better player than PLD and he's only a couple years older and he went for a late-ish first and a good prospect. Literally Nils+1st is almost the same return.
Mark Stone trade could also be looked at as a sort of comp and he went for a good D prospect+2nd rounder.
I feel like PLD would be a very good player here and maybe that KK+Nils+1st price would end up being justified by what he would be here but I don't think the player he has been justifies that cost as of right now.
Maybe they don't want any of our picks so something like Chytil+Nils straight up. Or if they do it could be Nils+1st OR Nils+2nd and one of the mid level prospects like Grubbe or Vasanaienen or something or maybe they like Gauthier or Georgiev or something.
I'd very much like PLD on this team. He's a very good fit stylistically to be the 2c on this team, especially factoring in his history with Panarin.
However, Kakko, Nils and a 1st is too much to give up for PLD.
Nils should be enough to be the headline piece in the deal.
I think Nils+1st Round pick is very fair, especially if it's next year's pick. Would want it lottery protected if possible.
Fiala went for a 1st+good D prospect. Idk how you can justify paying more than that for PLD at this point in time. Obviously that deal had the cap implications hanging over the head and he needed to be signed to big money but still, Fiala is a better player than PLD and he's only a couple years older and he went for a late-ish first and a good prospect. Literally Nils+1st is almost the same return.
Mark Stone trade could also be looked at as a sort of comp and he went for a good D prospect+2nd rounder.
I feel like PLD would be a very good player here and maybe that KK+Nils+1st price would end up being justified by what he would be here but I don't think the player he has been justifies that cost as of right now.
Maybe they don't want any of our picks so something like Chytil+Nils straight up. Or if they do it could be Nils+1st OR Nils+2nd and one of the mid level prospects like Grubbe or Vasanaienen or something or maybe they like Gauthier or Georgiev or something.
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Not if Chytil is going the other way. No f***ing way. Guy put his big boy pants on this post season.
IronBloodedLion
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I don’t think Chytil and Kakko are untouchable in an trade for PLD, but I’d do it only if there’s an extension in place.
I don’t want to lose either of those 2 just so PLD can walk to Montreal.
I don’t want to lose either of those 2 just so PLD can walk to Montreal.
Yes!! Get strome the F off that first pp unit and put laf there. I’ve been saying that all year long. Blows my mind that it hasn’t happened yet.
Larrybiv
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Thanks for saving me a lot of typing, 2 things to add. I'd really like to keep KK, team loves him and pretty sure he's going to figure it all out. It was Chytil, I was concerned about.
Really don't see all the hype for PLD. Strikes me as a rich man's Strome, which leads me to "almost say", I'd just rather keep Stromer.
In conclusion, I don't want a "maybe type player" playing in a very tough atmosphere (NY) to a possible long contract that will definitely hinder future additions/signings of our own while nearing CAP HELL.
Ummmmmmmmm, NO. Again, NO.
Raspewtin
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I have a lot of mixed feelings on a trade like this.
Pros:
1. The Rangers need another good center. Like, really need another good center. Despite his outstanding playoffs it does not feel like the Rangers will go with Chytil as the 2C even if I think they should.
2. He's young and fits right in with the timeline.
3. He's good at a few things the rest of the Rangers are not.
4. That locks up the Rangers top 2 Cs for years to come (assuming we can actually sign him) and give them a very, very unique center setup if they keep Chytil too
5. The "ideal" 2C/3C we're looking for doesn't grow on trees, and we have no center prospects worth a damn.
Cons:
1. We're going to run into he same issues next playoffs. There's always a line that just, idk, isn't doing much and with whatever it takes to get PLD, we can basically guarantee a shit 3rd or 4th line again.
2. He's not that strong at ES. In fact in a lot of ways he's very average at ES. Doesn't score that much, doesn't shoot that much, and gets a lot of ice time.
3. He's 100000000% one of those "the idea is better than the actual player" guys. He absolutely takes shifts off, has games where he's not really physical, he takes stupid penalties, there games where he tries to be Jagr. Every single tough guy hard worker is this kind of player though, but I feel like if we did get him it would very much be similar to how we all wanted to rip Trouba's head off his first year here.
4. I at this point do not think Kakko has high upside, but if he does and he hits it somewhere else, we're going to really regret it IMO. Trading him, by the nature of it, makes our forwards older and there's even more pressure to win the next 2-3 years. I've acknowledged that there will be different "windows" depending on a lot of things but idk I'm still very nervous about a Kakko trade, especially for a player that is in no way a discount.
I guess i'm supportive of both directions, in a way.
Pros:
1. The Rangers need another good center. Like, really need another good center. Despite his outstanding playoffs it does not feel like the Rangers will go with Chytil as the 2C even if I think they should.
2. He's young and fits right in with the timeline.
3. He's good at a few things the rest of the Rangers are not.
4. That locks up the Rangers top 2 Cs for years to come (assuming we can actually sign him) and give them a very, very unique center setup if they keep Chytil too
5. The "ideal" 2C/3C we're looking for doesn't grow on trees, and we have no center prospects worth a damn.
Cons:
1. We're going to run into he same issues next playoffs. There's always a line that just, idk, isn't doing much and with whatever it takes to get PLD, we can basically guarantee a shit 3rd or 4th line again.
2. He's not that strong at ES. In fact in a lot of ways he's very average at ES. Doesn't score that much, doesn't shoot that much, and gets a lot of ice time.
3. He's 100000000% one of those "the idea is better than the actual player" guys. He absolutely takes shifts off, has games where he's not really physical, he takes stupid penalties, there games where he tries to be Jagr. Every single tough guy hard worker is this kind of player though, but I feel like if we did get him it would very much be similar to how we all wanted to rip Trouba's head off his first year here.
4. I at this point do not think Kakko has high upside, but if he does and he hits it somewhere else, we're going to really regret it IMO. Trading him, by the nature of it, makes our forwards older and there's even more pressure to win the next 2-3 years. I've acknowledged that there will be different "windows" depending on a lot of things but idk I'm still very nervous about a Kakko trade, especially for a player that is in no way a discount.
I guess i'm supportive of both directions, in a way.
Dijock94
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The difference is all the guys I named haven’t even come close to their prime years yet.
Larrybiv
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Thanks for saving me a lot of typing, 2 things to add. I'd really like to keep KK, team loves him and pretty sure he's going to figure it all out. It was Chytil, I was concerned about. That's a young pedigree line (a 1, 2 & 9) that's growing together and would bet have become good friends (given their age). Breaking them up in a game is one thing, separating them via trade is quite another. Yeah I know, it's a business.
Really don't see all the hype for PLD. Strikes me as a rich man's Strome, which leads me to "almost say", I'd just rather keep Stromer.
In conclusion, I don't want a "maybe type player" playing in a very tough atmosphere (NY) to a possible long contract that will definitely hinder future additions/signings of our own.... while nearing CAP HELL.
Ummmmmmmmm, NO. Again, NO.
Larrybiv
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Can't fathom anyone suggesting trading away a gift from the NHL heavens, a 21/22 yr old gift, btw. More likely to become a Marian Hossa, than our once pathetic Marcel.
A kid that age, away from Mommy and Daddy, living away from his country, playing in the biggest brightest city in the world, all kinds of Covid crap going on for 2 yrs. (he got it, I believe) diabetic AND strapped with the pressure of being 2OA, with immediate comparisons to Hughes (and who is better), throw in an injury or 2 and you have an underachieving, not improving misfit with declining value. Oh and again, all of 22.
Sounds like a lot for anyone. Kids need stability, Did he have ANY?
Larrybiv
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It may not be the end all be all, BUT can one imagine how powerful Colorado "would be" if they were superior at the dot?
You can lose the FO, but if played right, steal it right back.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Same could be said about Ryan O'Reilly before he won.
ROR demanded a trade from Colorado multiple times and then when they were dragging their feet he signed an offer sheet with Calgary to force the Avs' hand even more, then was traded to Buffalo where he and the team sucked and he whined and pouted and demanded a trade from.
Then he goes to St. Louis for pennies on the dollar and goes on to perform like a borderline Hart candidate and win the Conn Smythe in leading St. Louis to their first cup.
Rongomania
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The point is if we wait for all the kids to develop it'll be too late for this current group, unless Kreider Zibanejad and Panarin continue to play at this level until their mid 30's. Kreider has a lot of playoff hockey on him
