Do you trust Keefe as a coach in the playoffs?

[sxvnert]

Depends. If he puts Simmonds or Bunting back in this series then no.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

What does edit mean when written in a thread?

I posted in the wrong thread!

 

[thewave]

If the coach is the "reason" the players aren't starting on time at this point then that says more about the players to me

Coaches and GMs can make a country club out of anything. I think we all know this by now being Toronto fans for decades.

 

[authentic]

Coaches and GMs can make a country club out of anything. I think we all know this by now being Toronto fans for decades.

That's true, but they have enough reason to start games on time after all the first round exits regardless of who their coach is

 

[IPS]

Keefe once again savagely outcoaches Cooper

 

[ruaware41]

No big deal. If you're not sure why you're debating, you can just stop at any time. Easy peasy.

and likewise. You asked why it bothered me and I explained my thought process. You could always stop following me around in multiple threads.

 

[Gary Nylund]

and likewise. You asked why it bothered me and I explained my thought process. You could always stop following me around in multiple threads.

You said you "got dragged into a debate", I was just trying to help. If you make a post quoting me, accusing me of "following you" when I respond is insane so stop being childish.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'll change my mind if they win. Temporarily perhaps

 

[Pi]

At home? Sure. Away from home? No.

We won these past two games but that would be despite his coaching not because of it.

 

[CelticDruid]

We won despite Keefe's coaching.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'm not a big Keefe fan, mixed feelings puts it best I suppose. But I agree with what Poulin said on the broadcast last night and I think he's pretty knowledgable about hockey in general.

Paraphrasing - it's not the coaches job to get the players "ready", if the players aren't "ready" to play, that's 100% on them.

Having said that, I'd say that Keefe would look a lot better if the players were ready to play, if not always, then at least a lot more often than they have been. I don't know what the heck is the matter with these guys but this is an area where we could use massive improvement!

I'm excited about being up 3-1 and hopefully we finish off TB sooner as opposed to later and continue exorcising our demons and all that, but unless we improve massively in short order in this regard, it's hard to see this team winning the cup. We'll see what happens Thursday.

 

[LeafSteel]

Keefe once again savagely outcoaches Cooper

You do realize we've been outplayed in 3 out of 4 games thus far, right?

He still hasn't put together our top 2 lines, moving Nylander up with Matthews and Marner down with Tavares. He didn't do it until the 3rd period, and well whuddyaknow, we played better in the 3rd.

He is maddening with his inability to put things together ahead of time or in the moment. You might be ok with us playing 20 - 30 minutes a night, but I'm not.

 

[Jojalu]

Keefe once again savagely outcoaches Cooper

Putting ROR, JT and Marner together for the draw where Rielly scored was a great move.

 

[kb]

You do realize we've been outplayed in 3 out of 4 games thus far, right?

He still hasn't put together our top 2 lines, moving Nylander up with Matthews and Marner down with Tavares. He didn't do it until the 3rd period, and well whuddyaknow, we played better in the 3rd.

He is maddening with his inability to put things together ahead of time or in the moment. You might be ok with us playing 20 - 30 minutes a night, but I'm not.

IMO this is factually incorrect. The Leafs outshot, outhit, and outscored Tampa last night, and they outshot TB 32-19 from the start of the 2nd onwards.

And the shots on goal and hits were pretty even in Game 1, factoring in that there was a lot of questionable calls. Outplayed, but not dominated (except on the scoresheet, obviously). Only game 3 was really tilted in TB's favour.

 

[Jojalu]

You do realize we've been outplayed in 3 out of 4 games thus far, right?

He still hasn't put together our top 2 lines, moving Nylander up with Matthews and Marner down with Tavares. He didn't do it until the 3rd period, and well whuddyaknow, we played better in the 3rd.

He is maddening with his inability to put things together ahead of time or in the moment. You might be ok with us playing 20 - 30 minutes a night, but I'm not.

It can't be both ways. Last year when the Leafs outplayed TB and lost it was Keefe's fault and Cooper was the better coach.

This year TB has outplayed Tor for 8 out of 14 periods but the Leafs have won and it's the same.

He did mix up the lines, then did it again on the tying goal. He put Knies out in OT on PP2 which was the right call.

Mostly he hasn't overreacted like the fanbase has everytime the Leafs are behind.

What has Cooper done this series?

 

[ACC1224]

You do realize we've been outplayed in 3 out of 4 games thus far, right?

He still hasn't put together our top 2 lines, moving Nylander up with Matthews and Marner down with Tavares. He didn't do it until the 3rd period, and well whuddyaknow, we played better in the 3rd.

He is maddening with his inability to put things together ahead of time or in the moment. You might be ok with us playing 20 - 30 minutes a night, but I'm not.

I see it as outplayed in 2(game 1 and 3), dominated 1(game 2) and fairly even/slight edge Leafs last night.

 

[LeafSteel]

IMO this is factually incorrect. The Leafs outshot, outhit, and outscored Tampa last night, and they outshot TB 32-19 from the start of the 2nd onwards.

And the shots on goal and hits were pretty even in Game 1, factoring in that there was a lot of questionable calls. Outplayed, but not dominated (except on the scoresheet, obviously). Only game 3 was really tilted in TB's favour.

That's youur opinion, which you are entitled to, just as I am. I'm not even going to look at a game that we got absolutely blown up in for Game 1, let alone excuse a pitiful performance from start to finish due to "questionable calls". Please don't say things like "factually incorrect" and then proceed to share your opinion like your own assessment of Game 1. We are sharing opinions based on what we've seen. It's obvious you don't agree with me and I don't agree with you, but don't crap on what I'm saying please.

It can't be both ways. Last year when the Leafs outplayed TB and lost it was Keefe's fault and Cooper was the better coach.

This year TB has outplayed Tor for 8 out of 14 periods but the Leafs have won and it's the same.

He did mix up the lines, then did it again on the tying goal. He put Knies out in OT on PP2 which was the right call.

Mostly he hasn't overreacted like the fanbase has everytime the Leafs are behind.

What has Cooper done this series?

Sure, he mixes up the lines, but he doesn't do it until we start flat and get outplayed. How about starting your best lineup from the get-go and try dictating the pace of the game from the beginning, as opposed to chasing the game and having putting yourself in the position of trying something else because what you started with hasn't worked?

As far as what Cooper has done this series, I don't care. I look at what Cooper has done vs what Keefe has done in his time here, and it's not even close.

I see it as outplayed in 2(game 1 and 3), dominated 1(game 2) and fairly even/slight edge Leafs last night.

Ok, so instead of 3 out of 4 games, I will walk it back to 2 1/2 games out of 4.........

 

[Gary Nylund]

You do realize we've been outplayed in 3 out of 4 games thus far, right?

He still hasn't put together our top 2 lines, moving Nylander up with Matthews and Marner down with Tavares. He didn't do it until the 3rd period, and well whuddyaknow, we played better in the 3rd.

He is maddening with his inability to put things together ahead of time or in the moment. You might be ok with us playing 20 - 30 minutes a night, but I'm not.

That has nothing to do with line combos, recall that in game 2 we played great. JMHO.

 

[Jojalu]

That has nothing to do with line combos, recall that in game 2 we played great. JMHO.

A fair point about Cooper's resume compared to Keefes.

I just don't see any coaches making that drastic of line changes game in game out. Minor tweeks yes, but that seems more like a fans wishes then what really happens.

I am indifferent when it comes to Keefe. On a human level I don't want to see anyone fired, but if they lose this series I will say he has to go.

We as fans just seem to over react to everything that happens and always look for someone to blame.

I guess 20 years of not winning a round on top of 55 years of not winning a Cup will do that

 

[LeafSteel]

That has nothing to do with line combos, recall that in game 2 we played great. JMHO.

Do you remember Keefe’s 3rd line to start game 1?

Out of the blue, starting a playoff series, with all the line shifting he did after the TDL, he goes and puts a 3rd line that’s never played together, with no identity.

Stupid shit like that is what I’m talking about that drives me nuts and it just tells me he’s in over his head.

We have great players on our team that Dubas has assembled and I have no doubt we are winning because of them more than anything. It’s nice of Keefe to try to keep up, but for me, keeping up isn’t good enough.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Do you remember Keefe’s 3rd line to start game 1?

Out of the blue, starting a playoff series, with all the line shifting he did after the TDL, he goes and puts a 3rd line that’s never played together, with no identity.

Stupid shit like that is what I’m talking about that drives me nuts and it just tells me he’s in over his head.

We have great players on our team that Dubas has assembled and I have no doubt we are winning because of them more than anything. It’s nice of Keefe to try to keep up, but for me, keeping up isn’t good enough.

IMO when a team wins, it's because of the players 99+% of the time. And as I said before, the fact that the players don't seem to be ready to play all too often is on the players, and compared to that, anything Keefe does or doesn't do is a relatively minor issue.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think coaching in the playoffs are gambles. So far, Keefe is proving to be a bad gambler. Just look at Nurse when the Raptors won it all. He used Box-1 and bc he won that game, he was praised as a genius, if he lost that game, everyone would be going, WTF was he doing. Just like he called TO when Raptors was making a comeback in Game 5, his reason was his team was tired, but bc he lost, he got crucified for stopping his own team momentum. If Raptors won that game, it would another genius move by Nurse.
Back to Keefe. I really think playoffs past, Keefe didn't have enough options for him to gamble, but so far this year, he got a lot more options and some are paying off and some not so much. Hopefully, it will pay off again this Thursday.

 

[ruaware41]

You said you "got dragged into a debate", I was just trying to help. If you make a post quoting me, accusing me of "following you" when I respond is insane so stop being childish.

Listen, I did not quote you first. You quoted me, twice, in two separate threads, unnecessarily, to start all of this. The fact you accuse me of what you do is beyond childish or you need to improve your short term recall. Go ahead, see how this whole thing started. In the future, if you find me responding after you quote and at times misunderstand me then stop following me around in different threads replying to me.

 

[Hellcat]

No not even close, even a blind squirrel finds his nut.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Listen, I did not quote you first. You quoted me, twice, in two separate threads, unnecessarily, to start all of this. The fact you accuse me of what you do is beyond childish or you need to improve your short term recall. Go ahead, see how this whole thing started. In the future, if you find me responding after you quote and at times misunderstand me then stop following me around in different threads replying to me.

If I respond to a post, I quote it which is completely normal. I also post a fair bit and have responded to many different posts today but you're the only one who seems to think you're being followed, that should tell you something right there.