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Do you believe in Dubas?

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James Blackley said:
I'd say at best Rielly is a fair market deal for what he brings, 7.5 for his calibre is no discount IMO.
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I think he could could have gotten more on the open market but it's fair.
Dubas has for the most part, MM aside, has signed some pretty good deals. Just not sure the need for a limited NTC for Holl, Simmonds and to a lesser extent Mrazek. Kerfoot, Ritchie and Mik may be a tad overpaid but no biggie
 
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TheGoldenJet said:
And a 35yo Rielly making 7.5M is an atrocious deal, Doobler knows he won’t be around to face the consequences by then however.
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Dubas could very well still be here to "face the consequences", which probably won't be very much, since 35 year old Rielly will be in the last year of his deal, and even assuming some level of deterioration, will still likely be worth his contract considering the impressive price he was signed to and what the cap will have risen to by then. Since an 8 year deal is standard for this level of player from any team or GM, I assume you're saying that you wouldn't have re-signed Rielly at all?

It's funny how everybody was predicting 8-9m+ after this offseason, and now 7.5m is "atrocious". :laugh:
 
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TheGoldenJet said:
And a 35yo Rielly making 7.5M is an atrocious deal, Doobler knows he won’t be around to face the consequences by then however.
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Generally speaking, dmen get paid for scoring. He's top 10 this year and top 10 the past half decade. He doesn't play a game that should see him wear out. Does he have warts? Sure. Nothing to really suggest your imagined drop off a cliff though.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Dubas could very well still be here to "face the consequences", which probably won't be very much, since 35 year old Rielly will be in the last year of his deal, and even assuming some level of deterioration, will still likely be worth his contract considering the impressive price he was signed to and what the cap will have risen to by then. Since an 8 year deal is standard for this level of player from any team or GM, I assume you're saying that you wouldn't have re-signed Rielly at all?

It's funny how everybody was predicting 8-9m+ after this offseason, and now 7.5m is "atrocious". :laugh:
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rumor has it a team in the south was preparing to offer 12m x 7yrs
 
TheGoldenJet said:
And a 35yo Rielly making 7.5M is an atrocious deal, Doobler knows he won’t be around to face the consequences by then however.
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Nonsense, Morgan’s game will age well and by then you’re looking at a 90-100m cap. 7.5 will be average middle pairing money by then.
hotpaws said:
rumor has it a team in the south was preparing to offer 12m x 7yrs
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If this is some attempt at humour by poking fun at the Tavares deal, he was legit offered more money by two teams (sweet Lou offered 8/11 and the sharks were willing to match that dollar amount on a 7 year term.) not to mention the fourth and fifth teams he had agreed to talk to were Boston and Dallas, Dallas has no state tax so you’d have to imagine take home pay would’ve been in the ballpark.
I live in Vancouver and there was a lot of chatter locally that benning would’ve offered the dougie Hamilton deal to Morgan.
yet again a really weak attempt on your part to continually shit on the moves this teams made.
I’m beginning to think if you and the others like you might be better off cheering for another team. Not trying to gate-keep at all but why be so invested in something you clearly don’t derive any joy from?
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Dubas could very well still be here to "face the consequences", which probably won't be very much, since 35 year old Rielly will be in the last year of his deal, and even assuming some level of deterioration, will still likely be worth his contract considering the impressive price he was signed to and what the cap will have risen to by then. Since an 8 year deal is standard for this level of player from any team or GM, I assume you're saying that you wouldn't have re-signed Rielly at all?

It's funny how everybody was predicting 8-9m+ after this offseason, and now 7.5m is "atrocious". :laugh:
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I don’t agree with you much, but this time I do 100%. Those who think the style of game Reilly plays will deteriorate rapidly are insane. He IS the exact type of defensemen you sign to a deal like that. He has high IQ and speed. People don’t give him his due for some reason. He’s been my favourite leaf in a long while. Signed discounts both times as well, and if fans can’t see that they are intentionally obtuse.
 
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Let's just say I'm a little "dubious"

Learning on the job is a hard road and some of the mistakes he made may have hurt the Leafs more than they were meant to help the Leafs

The team is playing great atm so who am I to complain, it all looks good moving forward and like every year for the past 54 this may finally be the year. Ive witnessed them all and it is looking real good, maybe as good as it looked in 78, 93 or or 98.
 
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Nylanderthal said:
Right. Cuz the Nylander, Brodie, muzzin, Kase, Kampf, bunting, Kerfoot deals are all bad? Literally all of those are under market. Tired narrative is tired.
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Here's the athletic's rankings of how each team's contract situation breaks down by value
By the numbers: Grading every NHL team’s contract efficiency, 2021 edition
2021: 3rd
By the numbers: Grading every NHL team's contract efficiency, 2020 edition
2020: 5th

Even if you think these rankings are too generous, the way people talk about Dubas you'd think he's the worst negotiator in the league. It's such a garbage talking point, and it of course never comes with any supporting evidence
 
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He keeps putting good teams on the ice. Ultimately, they have to be winners so they've been failures. But I will hand it to Kyle that I like the way he's built this roster. I've expected this team to win based on the sheer amount of talent and a terrifically rebuilt blueline (it was TERRIBLE before Dubas got here) and have been shocked that they have sucked THIS hard in the playoffs. I like the roster, I like where the org is at. The lack of playoff success is possibly devastating to Dubas's job security, but if we had won a series or two by now he'd be fairly celebrated IMO.

I'll criticize him for the things that bear criticism, especially the lack of playoff success and how the mistakes he's made effect that. But overall, I also find that when I give credit where it's due, I really like most of what he's done.
 
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Nylanderthal said:
If this is some attempt at humour by poking fun at the Tavares deal, he was legit offered more money by two teams (sweet Lou offered 8/11 and the sharks were willing to match that dollar amount on a 7 year term.) not to mention the fourth and fifth teams he had agreed to talk to were Boston and Dallas, Dallas has no state tax so you’d have to imagine take home pay would’ve been in the ballpark.
I live in Vancouver and there was a lot of chatter locally that benning would’ve offered the dougie Hamilton deal to Morgan.
yet again a really weak attempt on your part to continually shit on the moves this teams made.
I’m beginning to think if you and the others like you might be better off cheering for another team. Not trying to gate-keep at all but why be so invested in something you clearly don’t derive any joy from?
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of course JT was offered 13/14m ;) , just like Elliot reported a month after Mathews signed that the broke dick Yotes were going to offer the full 20%;) allowed and how Marner also said he was offered more ;) , i still can't believe how underpaid our 11m dollar players are

JT met with Tampa not Dallas and the Nucks already have close to 30m tied up in 5 D , BB to sign but yea they were going to offer Rielly 9.5m because what they need is a home town kid to sell tickets , lol , also the chatter probably came form me posting that Van was going to offer him 10m on this forum when he signed , lol

Rielly's deal is more than fair , could he have gotten more if he sold himself like a ho to the highest bidder ? probably but that doesn't mean he was worth that price and gave us a discount .

so i'm not a fan of the team because i'm not on here 24/7 defending the GM's every more ?
 
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Nylanderthal said:
Nonsense, Morgan’s game will age well and by then you’re looking at a 90-100m cap. 7.5 will be average middle pairing money by then.

If this is some attempt at humour by poking fun at the Tavares deal, he was legit offered more money by two teams (sweet Lou offered 8/11 and the sharks were willing to match that dollar amount on a 7 year term.) not to mention the fourth and fifth teams he had agreed to talk to were Boston and Dallas, Dallas has no state tax so you’d have to imagine take home pay would’ve been in the ballpark.
I live in Vancouver and there was a lot of chatter locally that benning would’ve offered the dougie Hamilton deal to Morgan.
yet again a really weak attempt on your part to continually shit on the moves this teams made.
I’m beginning to think if you and the others like you might be better off cheering for another team. Not trying to gate-keep at all but why be so invested in something you clearly don’t derive any joy from?
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I agree completely. Rielly 's deal excellent, he would have gotten more in the summer and his game should age well, like you said. And I'm amazed how much people bitch about the Tavares deal. It's a 7 year deal, we're in year four of that already and his game hasn't really dropped off at all so for the life of me, I have no idea WTF people are whining about. We added an elite centre to our roster without giving up any assets and people are still whining, I just don't get it.

CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Here's the athletic's rankings of how each team's contract situation breaks down by value
By the numbers: Grading every NHL team’s contract efficiency, 2021 edition
2021: 3rd
By the numbers: Grading every NHL team's contract efficiency, 2020 edition
2020: 5th

Even if you think these rankings are too generous, the way people talk about Dubas you'd think he's the worst negotiator in the league. It's such a garbage talking point, and it of course never comes with any supporting evidence
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I assume this is behind a pay wall but these ranking don't surprise me. The Marner contract was a clear mistake IMHO but other than that, he's done a very good job with the contracts. Remember when we offered a ridiclous deal to Bolland and only escaped because some one else was dumb enough to offer him more? Remember the Clarkson deal, what a joke that was and we were so lucky to be able to get away from that one.

Every GM makes mistakes, including Dubas but overall he's been pretty great.
 
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hotpaws said:
of course JT was offered 13/14m ;) , just like Elliot reported a month after Mathews signed that the broke dick Yotes were going to offer the full 20%;) allowed and how Marner also said he was offered more ;) , i still can't believe how underpaid our 11m players are

JT met with Tampa not Dallas and the Nucks already have close to 30m tied up in 5 D , BB to sign but yea they were going to offer Rielly 9.5m because what they need is a home town kid to sell tickets , lol , also the chatter probably came form me posting that Van was going to offer him 10m on this forum when he signed , lol

Rielly's deal is more than fair , could he have gotten more if he sold himself like a ho to the highest bidder ? probably but that doesn't mean he was worth that price and gave us a discount .

so i'm not a fan of the team because i'm not on here 24/7 defending the GM's every more ?
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Just like most GMs, he’s done good and bad things. I used to think the good far outweighed the bad, but it becoming a lot closer to 50/50.
 
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