Do you believe in Dubas?

[ACC1224]

Right. The poster you quoted assumed he'd be healthy.

Big assumption, also has a NTC I believe as well.
Hardly seems like someone that could be considered 'very easy to move'.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Big assumption, also has a NTC I believe as well.

The big assumption would be assuming that this player is going to be injured for the rest of his life. He only has a limited NTC.

 

[Racer88]

I honestly wouldn't consider either one of those deals awful at this point, maybe not even ever.

It is impossible for any GM to be 100% on their transaction success rate. As people on here alluded to already, Mrazek was signed to play anywhere from 35-45 games. Yes he came with a lengthy injury history, but so did Kase, so do a lot of players. Petr will play meaningful minutes for us. He looked outstanding in pre-season, and I expect that to continue when back to full heath. At that point, we should have one of the best duo's in the game.

Ritchie was overpaid. I think Dubas should have known better personally, I've gone into length before why I think this, but in all reality that was the price to acquire a young, big, strong winger with Good hands in the UFA market. There has been a strong trend upward for big bodies ever since the STL cup win, unfortunately that meant overpaying him. He's actually playing exactly how I expected from everything I had read on him prior to signing, and in all honesty he hasn't been as bad as this market makes him out to be. He's not a first line player, never will be. He will be fine.

but even if you disagree with my assessments of the 2 players, these are both easily moveable contracts. I don't consider any moveable contracts bad ones.

It is impossible for a GM to be 100% on their transaction success rate. As long as you can mitigate the failures by moving the deals all is well. No harm no foul.

For example, Hyman deal looks like a no brainer as of now. Which should shock no one. He is a great player. It was never going to look bad in years 1-3 likely. Lets see how moveable Zach's contract is in years 4 through 7 with his NMC should he regress.

Look at the tire fire that is the Canucks. OEL 726AAV for another 6 years, Dickonson 1.5AAV for 4years, Poolman 2.5AAV for 4 more years. Unmovable deals.

We have little to no unmovable assets. I think the only one I could think of would be JT. But he is still highly effective and our captain. It would be extremely unlikely that we'd want to part ways with him regardless

I get your point that they may be movable however I do wonder if Richie can’t get it together with the Leafs who would take him. Same goes for Mrazek if he spends much of the year on the IR. He has played 2 games for the Leafs and came of lame after both of them.

 

[egd27]

what happens in a scenario where Florida wins the division, and Toronto faces off against a healthy Tampa (with Kucherov back in the lineup) in round 1? Is losing to Tampa really considered a failure?

Depends how they lose. In some scenarios no, in some, yes it could be.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Depends how they lose. In some scenarios no, in some, yes it could be.

I hate to say it but I agree - it could be. Though I say let's not spend too much time on this scenario, we're gonna win the first round no matter who we play. The team is looking good, no reason we can't look just as good in round one.

 

[ShaneFalco]

"Everyone's contract is too much!"

"How dare Dubas give someone a NTC to help his negotiation!"

Looking like a great move so far eh? Justin Holl has one too, as does Wayne - I bet he really need to negotiate hard with them. You don't get named the best GM to deal with by agents for nothin

 

[AllDay28]

Looking like a great move so far eh? Justin Holl has one too, as does Wayne - I bet he really need to negotiate hard with them. You don't get named the best GM to deal with by agents for nothin

you mean the same poll that said Lou was also named easiest to deal with? Btw they had 2? Total votes each.

can’t make this shit up sometimes

Player agents reveal negotiating habits of NHL GMs

2 total votes lmfaoooo.

 

[Twine Tickler]

I get your point that they may be movable however I do wonder if Richie can’t get it together with the Leafs who would take him. Same goes for Mrazek if he spends much of the year on the IR. He has played 2 games for the Leafs and came of lame after both of them.

I hear you, but there is always a taker for shit in the NHL. Someone will need to reach a floor, or someone will want to see if they can reclaim the former 10th overall.

As for Mrazek, this has been his knock since he was in the league. He can't stay healthy. But he always finds a place to play. Because when healthy, he's a very good goalie. I have no doubt he will shine when he gets back in the cage, and we will start to see a 60:40 split that we had envisioned all offseason (Campbell getting the lion share).

I also see a world where we give Campbell a healthy raise next year (say 5AAV), and move out Holl, Kerfoot, Dermott, and Ritchie. That should give us plenty of room to resign Kase, Sandin and Lilly and promote ELC deals like Steeves, Robertson, Holmberg and potentially even Amirov.

We'd have a loot tied up in the cage, so my preferance would be to move Kerf, but if something were to occur as you suggested where there is in fact no takers for Mrazek, there is always the ability to move Kerf who more than easily could be moved for value.

If there is one thing we should know about this management group is that they find a way to make the money work at all costs. Yes we've lost some good players in the process, but we've also acquired a bunch as well.

 

[Racer88]

I hear you, but there is always a taker for shit in the NHL. Someone will need to reach a floor, or someone will want to see if they can reclaim the former 10th overall.

As for Mrazek, this has been his knock since he was in the league. He can't stay healthy. But he always finds a place to play. Because when healthy, he's a very good goalie. I have no doubt he will shine when he gets back in the cage, and we will start to see a 60:40 split that we had envisioned all offseason (Campbell getting the lion share).

I also see a world where we give Campbell a healthy raise next year (say 5AAV), and move out Holl, Kerfoot, Dermott, and Ritchie. That should give us plenty of room to resign Kase, Sandin and Lilly and promote ELC deals like Steeves, Robertson, Holmberg and potentially even Amirov.

We'd have a loot tied up in the cage, so my preferance would be to move Kerf, but if something were to occur as you suggested where there is in fact no takers for Mrazek, there is always the ability to move Kerf who more than easily could be moved for value.

If there is one thing we should know about this management group is that they find a way to make the money work at all costs. Yes we've lost some good players in the process, but we've also acquired a bunch as well.

Fair enough. Hopefully Mrazek gets healthy and puts in those 30-35 games.
That would be best case scenario

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

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Dubas's standard Limited NTC

It just means the player wants control over which teams he can get traded to. So they don't end up on a Buffalo or Arizona. I'm sure if Vasi went down and Tampa calls asking for his services he wouldn't mind going.

Its not like he can't be moved at all.

 

[notbias]

Looking like a great move so far eh? Justin Holl has one too, as does Wayne - I bet he really need to negotiate hard with them. You don't get named the best GM to deal with by agents for nothin

Don't look at Tampa's NMC/NTC unless you want to be truly shocked.

 

[egd27]

you mean the same poll that said Lou was also named easiest to deal with? Btw they had 2? Total votes each.

can’t make this shit up sometimes

Player agents reveal negotiating habits of NHL GMs

2 total votes lmfaoooo.

Are you sure that's what the poll you linked was indicating?

 

[hotpaws]

Don't look at Tampa's NMC/NTC unless you want to be truly shocked.

if you want to be truly shocked , look at our playoff record compared to theirs

 

[notbias]

if you want to be truly shocked , look at our playoff record compared to theirs

Staying on topic like usual, always a pleasure when you bring nothing to the conversation.

 

[hotpaws]

Staying on topic like usual, always a pleasure when you bring nothing to the conversation.

why so sensitive , did i hit a nerve ?

i guess you took a quick peek at T-Bays playoff record which has as much to do with this discussion as your reply did

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Are you sure that's what the poll you linked was indicating?

It is

 

[Ashdown2]

so why are we not comparing dubas to the lou anymore ???

 

[Confucius]

There are at least 20 teams doing worse than Dubas. So for a young GM he is doing fine. Is he the best, No but he is far from the worst. I think he even gets better with age.

 

[Menzinger]

He’ll have to show he’s healthy and can play.

Sure but looks like he'll be back playing within a couple weeks. Mirtle has said he looked fine walking around the Leafs practice facilities (though obviously that's not the same as playing situation).

Personally I don't think we have anything to worry about just yet about the guy

 

[egd27]

It is

Actually, it's not.

Not being the "most unreasonable" doesn't necessarily mean being easy, or one of best GMs to get client a good deal from.

We all know who took that title.

 

[ToneDog]

Teams always need goalies, and in the grand scheme of things he's on the cheaper side what one would pay a starter

I'm not sure why some folks around here seem to think his recent injury makes him a capdump. Groin injuries are hardly uncommon for goalies.

Look at Andersen. Injuries and poor play over an entire season didn't stop the Canes from shelling out 4.5 mil for him. There's always a buyer

Andy was a UFA. Mrazek is not and teams will have to give up assets. Once Soup is paid, every GM in the league will know Leafs will be wanting to move Mrazek's contract to free up cap space and it will be another AJ for Anderson deal.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Actually, it's not.

Not being the "most unreasonable" doesn't necessarily mean being easy, or one of best GMs to get client a good deal from.

We all know who took that title.

He was responding to someone who referenced that poll

 

[ACC1224]

Sure but looks like he'll be back playing within a couple weeks. Mirtle has said he looked fine walking around the Leafs practice facilities (though obviously that's not the same as playing situation).

Personally I don't think we have anything to worry about just yet about the guy

I’m not worried about it. I just don’t think he would be simple to move.

 

[Confucius]

Andy was a UFA. Mrazek is not and teams will have to give up assets. Once Soup is paid, every GM in the league will know Leafs will be wanting to move Mrazek's contract to free up cap space and it will be another AJ for Anderson deal.

Sure every GM will know we have to dump Mrazek but if more than one needs a tender the teams in need are not going to let the other team just get him for cheap.

As long as there are at least two teams interested in an upgrade we should be able to get fair value.

 

[ToneDog]

Sure every GM will know we have to dump Mrazek but if more than one needs a tender the teams in need are not going to let the other team just get him for cheap.

As long as there are at least two teams interested in an upgrade we should be able to get fair value.

A bidding war will help but unless he shows he can be a #1 I don't see us getting much for him. Some will agree, some won't.