Do you believe in Dubas?

[sparxx87]

Fans want blood. And change. I get it. We deserve better than what we've got. I remember begging for change with Maurice, JFJ, Wilson, Carlyle, Burke, Babcock...

Change doesn't always equal progress.

Would love Maurice back right now. Wasn’t a big fan at the time but almost everyone seems more appealing than Keefe.

Change doesn’t always equal progress, but changing from a HOF executive to a inexperienced cuck is guaranteed not to equal progress.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Never have and never will believe in him. Any person who wears fake glasses to make him look intelligent is simply not!

I know some people, if not most, think him wearing fake glasses is a nothing burger...but to me it speaks volumes about him. It shows he has this desperate need to show people he is smart because he cares about his image. If you're the GM and you care more about your image than your actual job in any respect...that's a big problem.

 

[SprDaVE]

I still want to.

I like his vision of a highly skilled, puck possession team. I like the trades that he tries to make. I enjoy listening to him talk and hearing about his philosophies pertaining to team building & evolving as a team, players, and people.

I hate his contract negotiating skill, and I hate the loyalty that he shows "his guys", because him chaining his career to the feet of guys that don't give a shit about him or respect him will cost him his job. It goes beyond the contracts as well:

• Marner and his camp disrespected him and the negotiations by going through Dreger and the media
• Nylander and his camp disrespected him by flying back to Sweden when trying to hammer out a deal
• Matthews and his camp couldn't even bother telling him about his indiscretion, forcing the GM to find out on social media.
• Dubas was on Mikheyev's hospital bed side when he was injured. His reward for that loyalty? A trade request.
• He's hitched his wagon to his core, and gone to bat for them publicly, and they can't even get mad or play desperately for him.

It's pathetic to watch, and most of it sadly is of his own making.

That's a very fair assessment, probably the more logical and level headed one from anyone here.

 

[notbias]

Would love Maurice back right now. Wasn’t a big fan at the time but almost everyone seems more appealing than Keefe.

Change doesn’t always equal progress, but changing from a HOF executive to a inexperienced cuck is guaranteed not to equal progress.

Did you get passed over for a promotion by a younger, better employee? We weren't doing anything with the geriatric GM either.

Tampa has used virtually only inexperienced executives/coaches and they seem to be happy with how the past few seasons went.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I know some people, if not most, think him wearing fake glasses is a nothing burger...but to me it speaks volumes about him. It shows he has this desperate need to show people he is smart because he cares about his image. If you're the GM and you care more about your image than your actual job in any respect...that's a big problem.

Welcome to 2021.

 

[RoadWarrior]

The problem is the insecure beta male and his need for absolute control at the expense of competence or even outcomes.

Insecurity and fear drives poor decision making in every situation.

 

[notbias]

The problem is the insecure beta male and his need for absolute control at the expense of competence or even outcomes.

Insecurity and fear drives poor decision making in every situation.

The Leafs have so many psychologists as fans, it is insane, we have to have the highest ratio in the league.

 

[Tak7]

No parent is disrespected more than the permissive parent. Those are examples of why it should always be a distanced, professional relationship between the GM and the players (and staff). This goes back to my assertion that Dubas' world view is wrong for the world of pro sports. There's no special gain from familiarity with your employees in a competitive results based industry. Be polite, be fair, be friendly and empathetic but don't cater to them, don't give overt privileges to the star players. Negotiate contracts hard, be prepared that you may offend them, be prepared to walk away, be prepared to cut bait on even your most talented star player. In the end Dubas still got more disrespect than your average NHL GM and Dubas still couldn't show loyalty to his less-than-star-players due to the corner he painted himself into.

You can disagree with Lou's vision of a team & some of his old school mannerisms, but none of this happens under Lou for that distance & professionalism that you mentioned.

Dubas is busy trying to be their friends.
Lou is their boss.

 

[sparxx87]

Did you get passed over for a promotion by a younger, better employee? We weren't doing anything with the geriatric GM either.

Tampa has used virtually only inexperienced executives/coaches and they seem to be happy with how the past few seasons went.

No, but in my 12 years as a business owner I’ve learned the hard way how vital experience is. We’ve hired and fired more educated and intelligent people than I can count at this point. Experience is key. There’s no substitute. The only people who argue otherwise seem to be the ones who lack experience.

And if you can’t see where they were trending under this “geriatric” it’s not surprising that you still don’t get it. Username couldn’t be funnier.

Brisbois worked almost a decade under Steve Yzerman after a long tenure working his way up in Montréal. What are you talking about? As far as John Cooper, he spent 10 years working his way up and he’s still not a great tactical coach but he’s a great motivator and understands the psychology of an athlete.

 

[notbias]

No, but in my 12 years as a business owner I’ve learned the hard way how vital experience is. We’ve hired and fired more educated and intelligent people than I can count at this point. Experience is key. There’s no substitute. The only people who argue otherwise seem to be the ones who lack experience.

And if you can’t see where they were trending under this “geriatric” it’s not surprising that you still don’t get it. Username couldn’t be funnier.

Brisbois worked almost a decade under Steve Yzerman after a long tenure working his way up in Montréal. What are you talking about? As far as John Cooper, he spent 10 years working his way up and he’s still not a great tactical coach but he’s a great motivator and understands the psychology of an athlete.

So you don't hire from within? Interesting way to run your business. Would be curious to see how the business has progressed, some financials on it over the 12 years. Is it still running? Are you making what is equivalent to first-round exits? The president of the company may need to go.

Dubas had a better resume and more experience running a team than Brisbois.

They were trending to first round exit after first round exit, only playoffs matter right?

Keefe/Dubas has the best season ever for the Leafs, you will discredit it because of Covid + Canadian division, but that is a fact, they don't have a non-Covid season and their record as coach/GM during the other Covid season was on par with the best under Lou.

 

[Havoc]

Yes it will all of a sudden click - the killer instinct, the compete, the starting on time, the standing up for eachother - everything

It was a joke comment but to be fair this does happen in the NHL. Things finally just click.

Not defending the Leafs or even applying it to the Leafs, just saying it happens.

 

[myleafs]

I know some people, if not most, think him wearing fake glasses is a nothing burger...but to me it speaks volumes about him. It shows he has this desperate need to show people he is smart because he cares about his image. If you're the GM and you care more about your image than your actual job in any respect...that's a big problem.

I have seen this said a few times and every time I ask for link or proof....nothing. Dubas is fair game for criticism but making shit up to slander his reputation or to prove what a bad person he is isn't right.

 

[ToneDog]

I have seen this said a few times and every time I ask for link or proof....nothing. Dubas is fair game for criticism but making shit up to slander his reputation or to prove what a bad person he is isn't right.

Former NHLer Says Leafs Will Regret Choosing Dubas Over Hunter. (letsgoleafs.com)

 

[killer1980]

In my 40 plus years in business, I have seen many boy geniuses come and go. The problem has very little to do with the individual but rather the person doing the hiring. If that guy hiring is an incompetent, insecure, moron, he probably is going to hire someone less competent than himself. If he is a strong, intelligent and secure leader, he will go out and find someone perhaps even better than himself who can help drive the business forward. I have had the pleasure of working with some really bright kids who have brought some great ideas and enthusiasm to the job. I have also seen total losers who clearly reflected the incompetence of the boss. It really has cut both ways. My Pappy always told me to look at the person doing the hiring. That will let you know the ability of the employee. Shanahan and The Board are losers so guess who and what they would hire? BTW, If you were offered the job as GM of the Leafs with all that money and prestige, would you turn it down? I wouldn't.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I believe in Dubas to handle the Marner trade at least because he knows that glorified depth teams haven't won the cup in almost a decade. If you don't have an elite top 6 you will just be another Islanders or Habs. Your ceiling isn't stanley cup. If you don't agree with this you have a lot of research to do because the game has changed. I've seen the words dilution and parity used around here recently. All of that is 100% true and shouldn't be a debate. All your findings will just circle back to it.

Otherwise he doesn't have enough in the "pro" list to really lose any sleep if they want someone else. These low cap hit pre-breakout players we need to find, Dubas hasn't been able to find them. Teams that are winning cups have these guys. Has nothing to do with cap.

^^ This is under the assumption Ritchie Kase and Bunting don't help.

 

[ottomaddox]

In my 40 plus years in business, I have seen many boy geniuses come and go. The problem has very little to do with the individual but rather the person doing the hiring. If that guy hiring is an incompetent, insecure, moron, he probably is going to hire someone less competent than himself. If he is a strong, intelligent and secure leader, he will go out and find someone perhaps even better than himself who can help drive the business forward. I have had the pleasure of working with some really bright kids who have brought some great ideas and enthusiasm to the job. I have also seen total losers who clearly reflected the incompetence of the boss. It really has cut both ways. My Pappy always told me to look at the person doing the hiring. That will let you know the ability of the employee. Shanahan and The Board are losers so guess who and what they would hire. BTW, If you were offered the job as GM of the Leafs with all that money and prestige, would you turn it down? I wouldn't.

Do you really address your Father as "Pappy"?

 

[killer1980]

Do you really address your Father as "Pappy"?

No, but I love those old Westerns.

 

[ottomaddox]

I don't trust Dubas or Keefe.

I don't know what else to say?


IMHO they are 2 Lame Duck individuals. At this point you have to let the season ride out. I just worry that Dubas will be given the green light to quick fix this situation.

If nothing gets done around American Thanksgiving then we'll know that he's not allowed to make any transactions. Then likely fired in April.

 

[egd27]

Kid Kyle's new guys thus far:

Player	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	S	S%	TOI/GP
Michael Bunting	7	2	2	4	-2	4	16	12.5	14:46
Ondrej Kase	7	1	0	1	-5	2	14	7.1	12:37
Nick Ritchie	7	0	0	0	-3	4	10	0	13:25
Michael Amadio	3	0	0	0	1	0	2	0	9:10
David Kampf	7	0	0	0	-5	2	6	0	14:33

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[egd27]

I was a kid at the time, but I remember the games still sold out every night. I also remember the paper bags on heads and crap being thrown on the ice, but at least there was still some emotion...because all the fans cared deeply about the team.

I don't get that sense right now.

First sweater hit the ice last Friday if I recall correctly

 

[17 Clark]

First sweater hit the ice last Friday if I recall correctly

I can’t believe there’s still 52 people that believe in him lmao

 

[17 Clark]

Kid Kyle's new guys thus far:

Player	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	S	S%	TOI/GP
Michael Bunting	7	2	2	4	-2	4	16	12.5	14:46
Ondrej Kase	7	1	0	1	-5	2	14	7.1	12:37
Nick Ritchie	7	0	0	0	-3	4	10	0	13:25
Michael Amadio	3	0	0	0	1	0	2	0	9:10
David Kampf	7	0	0	0	-5	2	6	0	14:33

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Good job Kyle

 

[myleafs]

Former NHLer Says Leafs Will Regret Choosing Dubas Over Hunter. (letsgoleafs.com)

Yes I have seen the prust quote but didnt he have a beef with Dubas? Anyone else...I mean anyone else ever mention the same thing or are we saying its true because one disgruntled guy said it?

 

[Darcy Tucker]

As far as I can throw his glasses.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I kinda get where Mik was coming from now - he can play a few great games and he still plays 12-13 min a night. Others can go a year without scoring on the PP, make horrendous lazy plays, look like they're giving 50% effort and they still get over 20 min