Do you believe in Dubas?

[colchar]

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The man was right sire.

No, he wasn't.

You claimed that there was "a rumour going through people right now that dubas will get fired soon. In hours and somebody will be stepping in". That has not happened.

The only thang was the rumor hit chicago and their gm, not toronto.

Wrong. They are two completely different situations and you are now trying to claim that he was right, he just had the team wrong. You are being ridiculous.

Also that is the exact reason I used the word: rumor. That means it is not true yet sire. I was right also because of it.

Um no, you were not.

I know everythang about life and all thangs like heaven, clowds and water and fire all together. So I will always be right. The end. I know everythang about life sire.

Go back on your meds.

 

[colchar]

The leafs haven't won a cup in 5 decades and they are worth 2 Billion

Yes, and they would make even more if they actually won.

 

[colchar]

For now.

For the first time I can recall, there is a tangible sense of apathy setting in within a significant segment of the fan base, including hard core Leaf fans.

That should be very concerning for MLSE.

You clearly weren't around for the Ballard years.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

If the goal was money they wouldn't have kissed off (35 million?) by firing Babcock.

Literally pennies, not on the dollar, but on the thousands of dollars.

 

[Tak7]

I still want to.

I like his vision of a highly skilled, puck possession team. I like the trades that he tries to make. I enjoy listening to him talk and hearing about his philosophies pertaining to team building & evolving as a team, players, and people.

I hate his contract negotiating skill, and I hate the loyalty that he shows "his guys", because him chaining his career to the feet of guys that don't give a shit about him or respect him will cost him his job. It goes beyond the contracts as well:

• Marner and his camp disrespected him and the negotiations by going through Dreger and the media
• Nylander and his camp disrespected him by flying back to Sweden when trying to hammer out a deal
• Matthews and his camp couldn't even bother telling him about his indiscretion, forcing the GM to find out on social media.
• Dubas was on Mikheyev's hospital bed side when he was injured. His reward for that loyalty? A trade request.
• He's hitched his wagon to his core, and gone to bat for them publicly, and they can't even get mad or play desperately for him.

It's pathetic to watch, and most of it sadly is of his own making.

 

[colchar]

I like his vision of a highly skilled, puck possession team. I like the trades that he tries to make. I enjoy listening to him talk and hearing about his philosophies pertaining to team building & evolving as a team, players, and people.

So you appreciate the stuff that he has failed miserably at?

 

[Clark4Ever]

You clearly weren't around for the Ballard years.

I was a kid at the time, but I remember the games still sold out every night. I also remember the paper bags on heads and crap being thrown on the ice, but at least there was still some emotion...because all the fans cared deeply about the team.

I don't get that sense right now.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Here is the graph of the cap in the cap era. From NHL salary cap - Wikipedia
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With a new TV deal and the Kraken fees it's not unreasonable to expect the cap to have gone.
18-19 $79.5
19-20 $85
20-21 $90
21-22 $95
22-23 $100

I recall that "everyone" was projecting something similar.
We "should" be at $95M right now and it would have only gotten better. That would have allowed us to balance out our cap a lot more instead of having almost half of it on 4 guys. In the last year of Marner's contract the cap might have been $110M and he would be a bargain.

You are totally making stuff up now. Stop with the fictional nonsense.

 

[Tak7]

So you appreciate the stuff that he has failed miserably at?

He failed at generating a vision in his head?

.....are you in his head? If so, poke around and see what the plan is for Morgan Rielly if they are bubble team come deadline.

 

[Polaris1010]

I don't get that sense right now.

This is one of the biggest F-- ups ever.

With Ballard, at a certain point all those years ago, mentally he was not all there it appeared from the outside.

There was nothing at the very top. Yolanda could have been in charge for all we knew. The team, management, ownership all drifted into oblivion. It was like a collective dementia had taken over the franchise.

This time it is different. There is no signs of dementia in the organization. Just ass covering, their own butts.

This time it is all about sheer incompetence.

This team surely looked like a contender, a team that gets 100 points, and they fired Babcock, that is not even two years ago.

Fans have renewed interest now in the team because we know someone is getting fired. Probably the three amigos, Shanahan, Dubas, the coach.

The Leafs has still not played a real good team yet. Carolina is a decent team, but not a top team. When the Leafs get owned by top teams like Tampa or maybe Boston, only then everyone will realize how far this team has fallen.

It all started with firing of Babcock. He was the only one remaining who knew what he was doing.

Without any competence, we just have a Ballard like situation here, LOL!!!

 

[Havoc]

Tampa missed the playoffs in 2017 and has been the best team in the league since.

This start is all part of the plan guys

 

[Brown Dog]

As an NFL fan, I'm always amazed and embarrassed for these franchises that seem to change regimes every 2 or 3 years when the team doesn't have success. Do your homework and give the reins to someone you believe in. Give them autonomy and time to fix things if the first phase doesn't go well. The grass isn't always greener on the other side and change doesn't always lead to better outcomes. Sometimes it's just a different kind of failure.

That being said, Dubas has certainly painted himself into a corner and is beginning to run out of benefit of the doubt. He staked his reputation and position on a core that is looking increasingly rotten. Hard to feel confident that he's the guy to fix this mess we're in.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Tampa missed the playoffs in 2017 and has been the best team in the league since.

This start is all part of the plan guys

Yes it will all of a sudden click - the killer instinct, the compete, the starting on time, the standing up for eachother - everything

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Nylander and his camp disrespected him by flying back to Sweden when trying to hammer out a deal

The policy should be:

(1) We get a deal done before the season. If you miss one game, max is a 3 year bridge deal

(2) miss 2 weeks ? Automatic trade.

 

[sparxx87]

Tampa missed the playoffs in 2017 and has been the best team in the league since.

This start is all part of the plan guys

Wasn’t that Point’s rookie year where they were decimated with injuries but still almost got in? … I remember many of us taking notice of the incredible depth in the organization. With the bodies they were missing, they should have been free falling but they weren’t.

This is the year I realized how great Steve Yzerman is as a GM and talent evaluator.

 

[justashadowof]

I still want to.

I like his vision of a highly skilled, puck possession team. I like the trades that he tries to make. I enjoy listening to him talk and hearing about his philosophies pertaining to team building & evolving as a team, players, and people.

I hate his contract negotiating skill, and I hate the loyalty that he shows "his guys", because him chaining his career to the feet of guys that don't give a shit about him or respect him will cost him his job. It goes beyond the contracts as well:

• Marner and his camp disrespected him and the negotiations by going through Dreger and the media
• Nylander and his camp disrespected him by flying back to Sweden when trying to hammer out a deal
• Matthews and his camp couldn't even bother telling him about his indiscretion, forcing the GM to find out on social media.
• Dubas was on Mikheyev's hospital bed side when he was injured. His reward for that loyalty? A trade request.
• He's hitched his wagon to his core, and gone to bat for them publicly, and they can't even get mad or play desperately for him.

It's pathetic to watch, and most of it sadly is of his own making.

No parent is disrespected more than the permissive parent. Those are examples of why it should always be a distanced, professional relationship between the GM and the players (and staff). This goes back to my assertion that Dubas' world view is wrong for the world of pro sports. There's no special gain from familiarity with your employees in a competitive results based industry. Be polite, be fair, be friendly and empathetic but don't cater to them, don't give overt privileges to the star players. Negotiate contracts hard, be prepared that you may offend them, be prepared to walk away, be prepared to cut bait on even your most talented star player. In the end Dubas still got more disrespect than your average NHL GM and Dubas still couldn't show loyalty to his less-than-star-players due to the corner he painted himself into.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

be prepared to walk away

like when Marner wants stupid money.

I would have bridged him.

A better GM than me trades him.

Of course I wanted a D in the rebuild drafts. Ideallly a RHD.

 

[Nizdizzle]

I still want to.

I like his vision of a highly skilled, puck possession team. I like the trades that he tries to make. I enjoy listening to him talk and hearing about his philosophies pertaining to team building & evolving as a team, players, and people.

I hate his contract negotiating skill, and I hate the loyalty that he shows "his guys", because him chaining his career to the feet of guys that don't give a shit about him or respect him will cost him his job. It goes beyond the contracts as well:

• Marner and his camp disrespected him and the negotiations by going through Dreger and the media
• Nylander and his camp disrespected him by flying back to Sweden when trying to hammer out a deal
• Matthews and his camp couldn't even bother telling him about his indiscretion, forcing the GM to find out on social media.
• Dubas was on Mikheyev's hospital bed side when he was injured. His reward for that loyalty? A trade request.
• He's hitched his wagon to his core, and gone to bat for them publicly, and they can't even get mad or play desperately for him.

It's pathetic to watch, and most of it sadly is of his own making.

This is pretty much my feelings word for word. Like his philosophy and him as a person. I like that he has a vision and an attitude to treating players as people. He has made some good moves with Brodie, Thornton, Spezza...etc. However, his contracts negotiations have netted zero "steals" or value contracts from our RFAs, and sticking with the "big-4" when the team clearly needs a shakeup is infuriating. He has been a "Players GM" and the players have taken advantage of it and cashed in rather than buy into the team mentality. Lou makes/made some really bad deals with bottom of the roster players, but I wonder how the Nylander/Marner/Matthews contracts would've ended up if he was in charge.

 

[sparxx87]

No parent is disrespected more than the permissive parent. Those are examples of why it should always be a distanced, professional relationship between the GM and the players (and staff). This goes back to my assertion that Dubas' world view is wrong for the world of pro sports. There's no special gain from familiarity with your employees in a competitive results based industry. Be polite, be fair, be friendly and empathetic but don't cater to them, don't give overt privileges to the star players. Negotiate contracts hard, be prepared that you may offend them, be prepared to walk away, be prepared to cut bait on even your most talented star player. In the end Dubas still got more disrespect than your average NHL GM and Dubas still couldn't show loyalty to his less-than-star-players due to the corner he painted himself into.

This is a great post. Really appreciate the ones that hit on everything far more articulately than I can.

Call it toxic masculinity but you have to earn and command respect. That’s tough to do as an inexperienced and privileged beta in pro sports.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I still want to.

I like his vision of a highly skilled, puck possession team. I like the trades that he tries to make. I enjoy listening to him talk and hearing about his philosophies pertaining to team building & evolving as a team, players, and people.

I hate his contract negotiating skill, and I hate the loyalty that he shows "his guys", because him chaining his career to the feet of guys that don't give a shit about him or respect him will cost him his job. It goes beyond the contracts as well:

• Marner and his camp disrespected him and the negotiations by going through Dreger and the media
• Nylander and his camp disrespected him by flying back to Sweden when trying to hammer out a deal
• Matthews and his camp couldn't even bother telling him about his indiscretion, forcing the GM to find out on social media.
• Dubas was on Mikheyev's hospital bed side when he was injured. His reward for that loyalty? A trade request.
• He's hitched his wagon to his core, and gone to bat for them publicly, and they can't even get mad or play desperately for him.

It's pathetic to watch, and most of it sadly is of his own making.

Well said

 

[killer1980]

Yes I do. However, I also believe in Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny and Great Pumpkin.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I like his vision of a highly skilled, puck possession team.

Tavares isn't a puck possession guy, neither is Matthews.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The vision of a puck possession team with skill is fine and dandy.

The reality is the team is falling short.

It

hasn't

worked

out.


Pretending is pretending.


Dubas must go.

 

[Brown Dog]

Fans want blood. And change. I get it. We deserve better than what we've got. I remember begging for change with Maurice, JFJ, Wilson, Carlyle, Burke, Babcock...

Change doesn't always equal progress.

 

[SprDaVE]

Tavares isn't a puck possession guy, neither is Matthews.

I don't think you understand what puck possession is.

I know some of you are emotional and very angry... but saying Matthews isn't a puck possession player while being a monster at it is quite frankly mind blowing. Just breathe for a second.