OT: Discusión del Fútbol (EPL, FIFA, LIGA, USMNT, USWNT, MLS, etc) - Parte Cinco

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Ajax1995

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Yeah, but they can call the precision in differences of those colored lines "clear and obvious" if they vouch for their accuracy, right?

It's always going to come down to inches because of the new tech. There has to be some other standard introduced to remove the frivolous calls and allow the meaningless, technical offsides.

There are enough other judgment calls in the game they could probably add something to the effect of "offside AND gives a clear and obvious ADVANTAGE to the attacker that creates the goalscoring opportunity".
Screw that, no lines allowed. If you can’t determine with the naked eye in slow motion it isn’t clear and obvious.

If that is your standard for literally every other VAR scenario that is what it should be for offsides also.
 

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Screw that, no lines allowed. If you can’t determine with the naked eye in slow motion it isn’t clear and obvious.

If that is your standard for literally every other VAR scenario that is what it should be for offsides also.

Sure. If they're willing to ditch VAR, that'd be great. I'm trying to find something assuming they won't want to ditch it. I don't know of many pro sports that have added review technology and then tried to put that djini back in the bottle.
 

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Sure. If they're willing to ditch VAR, that'd be great. I'm trying to find something assuming they won't want to ditch it. I don't know of many pro sports that have added review technology and then tried to put that djini back in the bottle.
Keep VAR, use the same standards for all calls, and no lines for offsides. It’s not that hard… ;)
 

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Keep VAR, use the same standards for all calls, and no lines for offsides. It’s not that hard… ;)

That's what I'm saying, though. I don't think they'll get rid of the lines.

We all know what would happen. Eventually someone will dispute a call that was made by VAR without lines and there will be an outcry that the lines would've proved it. Rinse repeat a few times and then you're back in the same situation with everyone saying the system doesn't work.
 

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That's what I'm saying, though. I don't think they'll get rid of the lines.

We all know what would happen. Eventually someone will dispute a call that was made by VAR without lines and there will be an outcry that the lines would've proved it. Rinse repeat a few times and then you're back in the same situation with everyone saying the system doesn't work.
There has to be an acceptance that every offsides call won’t necessarily be 100% correct. That is why the standard for every other call is clear and obvious error. They aren’t expecting to get them all right, just remove the bad ones. Why can’t offsides have the same standard? It makes no sense. If it isn’t a clear and obvious missed offsides call I don’t care. And it isn’t like they don’t miss really bad offsides calls as it is, the Arsenal/Brentford one being an obvious example.
 
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Yeah - it's just odd in any sport to have a set of judgement calls about what is/what isn't a foul or a penalty (over-laden with some review in some - but not all - foul call instances which basically amounts to second-guessing the real-time assessment with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight), and then you have this separate compliance/non-compliance issue that the game's overlords have decided needs to be resolved with pseudo-scientific precision in all cases.

Again, the point of offsides is to prohibit cherry-picking behind the D, because that would diminish the pace and appeal of the game. But I just don't see how that call against Germany today - which I concede is offsides by letter of the law based on the VAR review - advances the objectives of the rule or enhances the appeal of the game. It negates 3 consecutive incredibly skilled plays occurring in sequence - the first pass to the middle, the incredible back heel pass to the teammate on the left side of the goal, and the great header in.
 
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A better first half than before so far.

Winner faces Japan. oofknob.jpeg
 

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jfc why go for the super finesse top corner when you're ahead in a shootout? Just pick a safer spot left or right to keep the advantage.
 
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Sweden barely won. But US should have put it away in regulation.

They played well in regulation with few unforced errors. The SWE keeper was in the zone during regulation. It could easily have been 2-0 USA or more if not for her.

My issue is with the way they approached the shootout once SWE gave them the advantage. I simply don't understand even taking the slightest chance with painting the corners on high shots when you're already ahead and the keeper hasn't stopped anything low.

Just pick a spot and bang it hard. If you miss a little high you're still on-net.

Not the way Rapinoe wanted to go out but she shoulders a lot of the blame for that loss with that horrid penalty kick.
 
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Well, I'll never root against my national teams (bolded because some of you can't/won't read), but I will say that the only thing Americans love more than an underdog is watching arrogance rewarded with failure. The US looked like it was mailing it in the whole tournament, confident that they would win just because (see the excellent analysis by Tobin Heath and Erica Press in the video that marcel linked above... they never changed, because why would they? They're the favorites, right?). And if they had to lose, doing so on a Rapinoe miss is just *chef's kiss*...
 
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You also have to know it's going to be a tight, low-scoring game and adjust your tactics accordingly.

In an INTL match like that most teams are going to try and get to the area with the ball and try to draw a foul. Make the other team think twice about challenging you.

What did the USWNT do? They played to the perimeter the entire game looking for the slick header or volley off the cross.

Was any forward a real threat to dribble past the SWE defense in the middle at all, or even take the ball and drive the net to force a play? I know it's easier said than done but why not try it a few times at least?
 

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Well, I'll never root against my national teams (bolded because some of you can't/won't read), but I will say that the only thing Americans love more than an underdog is watching arrogance rewarded with failure. The US looked like it was mailing it in the whole tournament, confident that they would win just because (see the excellent analysis by Tobin Heath and Erica Press in the video that marcel linked above... they never changed, because why would they? They're the favorites, right?). And if they had to lose, doing so on a Rapinoe miss is just *chef's kiss*...
Megan Rapinoe quote during this WC “We go into these moments like, ‘Hell yeah,’” she said. “This is exactly where we wanna be.”

This was an unlikeable team! Polar opposite of the 90s USNWT!

The USNWT roster and coaching staff needs a good enema!

Also, I don't care what your politics or beliefs may be, in a setting like this, the World Cup, you sing the National Anthem and place your hands over your heart. You're representing your country! We were the only nation that had players not doing this.
 
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Took the fam to the fair and missed the Arsey match. Will have to catch up on espn+ tomorrow.

First win vs Pep for Arteta?
 
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