OT: Discusión del Fútbol (EPL, FIFA, LIGA, USMNT, USWNT, MLS, etc) - Parte Cinco

[g00n]

And apparently whoever's responsible for plumbing at Fedex is also in charge of tying down the goal nets. Ball went right through.

 

[John Price]

5min in on tv and attendance looks embarrassingly sparse

Attendance was announced at 46000

 

[g00n]

Attendance was announced at 46000

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Probably many skipped the first game

 

[John Price]

Probably many skipped the first game

They did, it was Aston Villa v Brentford

Chelsea got a lot more people. Metro home was virtually all Chelsea fans.

 

[g00n]

UWWNT barely hanging on and avoiding elimination. That lame showing vs Vietnam put Netherlands in the driver's seat and the Dutch are smashing the Vietnamese and securing 1st with massive GD.

Meanwhile the US are 1 GA away from dropping to 3rd. One mistake and they're out. 10 or so nervy min to go...

and a post saves them in the 92nd min, holy shit

 

[John Price]

Very concerning but they advance. Next opponent could be Sweden, watch out

 

[marcel snapshot]

That was anemic, disorganized, and lifeless. And their veteran players were especially terrible.

 

[ChaosLord]

Meanwhile, England looks terrific. All about getting hot at the right time.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Andonovski hits back at Lloyd's USWNT criticism

USWNT coach Vlatko Andonovski hit back at criticism from former player Carli Lloyd, calling it "insane" to doubt the players' drive to win after a 0-0 draw to Portugal in the Women's World Cup on Tuesday.

www.espn.com

 

[marcel snapshot]

Andonovski hits back at Lloyd's USWNT criticism

USWNT coach Vlatko Andonovski hit back at criticism from former player Carli Lloyd, calling it "insane" to doubt the players' drive to win after a 0-0 draw to Portugal in the Women's World Cup on Tuesday.

www.espn.com

In the immortal words of Gabby - "If you want it, don't just think you want it, get out and f***ing want it."

 

[zappa4ever]

Finished watching a bit ago, the US Women sitting in the #1 spot forever sure looks like they've gotten entitled and lazy

3 consecutive weak 1st halves, at least they showed some life 2nd half of the Viet/Neth games, this one was just uninspired, Portugal dominated at points, crisp passing, good runs, hardly a bad pass compared to the US who couldn't be arsed apparently;
bad luck to Lavelle on her 2nd yellow; Rapinoe looks done, she's making more mistakes in 30 than any of the starters

They deserve all the questions and criticisms, hope they get it together for rd of 16

 

[Cush]

brutal

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Marcelo accidentally broke Luciano Sanchez’s leg last night in what might be the worst injury I’ve seen on a soccer field. Brutal. Marcelo emotional and in tears afterwards and was sent off with a Red Card which is understandable but I think a bit harsh considering it was Sanchez who stepped into Marcelo’s landing point.

Spoiler: Warning: graphic leg injury

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Marcelo accidentally broke Luciano Sanchez’s leg last night in what might be the worst injury I’ve seen on a soccer field. Brutal. Marcelo emotional and in tears afterwards and was sent off with a Red Card which is understandable but I think a bit harsh considering it was Sanchez who stepped into Marcelo’s landing point.

Spoiler: Warning: graphic leg injury

 

[kicksavedave]

I don't habla Español, but I understood "Brutal, Brutal"

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Jamaica through, Brazil going home….enjoy retirement Marta….

 

[g00n]

1 half of football left before Germany is eliminated if scores hold. wow

 

[John Price]

South Korea did well to tie with their advancement being so iffy (they were deep down in GD because of Germany racking up 5 on Morocco game 1)

That said, from the other perspective, Germany going silent after said game 1 rout was disappointing. Germany finished 2nd in the Women's Euros last year to England. They are not bad.

 

[Ajax1995]

1 half of football left before Germany is eliminated if scores hold. wow

With Brazil and Germany both not making it out of the group stage I guess that makes the US showing so far look a little less terrible…

 

[marcel snapshot]

That German goal that would have put them up 2-1 but was wiped out due to offside was spectacular.

While acknowledging that I am soccer know-nothing, I continue to be baffled as to why a relatively goal-deficient sport has a significant number of spectacular goals erased due to micro measurement offside calls that seem to have no material impact on the outcome of the play. The outcome of the game turns on a review of a miniscule line between compliance and non-compliance with a rule aimed at deterring cherry-picking, not to promote fly-specking how many millimenters past the last defender's heel an attacker is at some difficult-to-pinpoint point in time.

That said, cool to see Morocco advance

 

[zappa4ever]

...sport has a significant number of spectacular goals erased due to micro measurement offside calls that seem to have no material impact on the outcome of the play...

sounds strangely familiar...

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

That German goal that would have put them up 2-1 but was wiped out due to offside was spectacular.

While acknowledging that I am soccer know-nothing, I continue to be baffled as to why a relatively goal-deficient sport has a significant number of spectacular goals erased due to micro measurement offside calls that seem to have no material impact on the outcome of the play. The outcome of the game turns on a review of a miniscule line between compliance and non-compliance with a rule aimed at deterring cherry-picking, not to promote fly-specking how many millimenters past the last defender's heel an attacker is at some difficult-to-pinpoint point in time.

That said, cool to see Morocco advance

Sports….games of inches…..you‘re off or you’re not…..

 

[g00n]

That German goal that would have put them up 2-1 but was wiped out due to offside was spectacular.

While acknowledging that I am soccer know-nothing, I continue to be baffled as to why a relatively goal-deficient sport has a significant number of spectacular goals erased due to micro measurement offside calls that seem to have no material impact on the outcome of the play. The outcome of the game turns on a review of a miniscule line between compliance and non-compliance with a rule aimed at deterring cherry-picking, not to promote fly-specking how many millimenters past the last defender's heel an attacker is at some difficult-to-pinpoint point in time.

That said, cool to see Morocco advance

Understand this and feel the same way but there has to be a cutoff somewhere. If you change the rule to say the whole body has to be offside, then you get the same result with razor thin video reviews of whether the cleat of the attacker is behind or ahead of the shoelace of the defender. ETc.

A slight advantage vs the defender can be enough to get a toe or head on the ball and put it in the net so the rule is important enough, in some cases. There may be a way to parse it so the ruling only drills down to that level of detail when the player is in some position to take advantage of being offside, but not sure how that would work.

The thing is technology has advanced so much we can now slice it down to inches, so the closeness of the call is more evident.

 

[Ajax1995]

Understand this and feel the same way but there has to be a cutoff somewhere. If you change the rule to say the whole body has to be offside, then you get the same result with razor thin video reviews of whether the cleat of the attacker is behind or ahead of the shoelace of the defender. ETc.

A slight advantage vs the defender can be enough to get a toe or head on the ball and put it in the net so the rule is important enough, in some cases. There may be a way to parse it so the ruling only drills down to that level of detail when the player is in some position to take advantage of being offside, but not sure how that would work.

The thing is technology has advanced so much we can now slice it down to inches, so the closeness of the call is more evident.

IMO, if they used the same threshold for offsides as they do for everything else with VAR in soccer, clear and obvious error, then the issue would be significantly mitigated. If you have to get out the colored lines to determine if someone was offsides or not it is by definition not clear and obvious and the goal stands.

This is by far my biggest issue with the game today.

 

[g00n]

IMO, if they used the same threshold for offsides as they do for everything else with VAR in soccer, clear and obvious, then the issue would be significantly mitigated. If you have to get out the colored lines to determine if someone was offsides or not it is by definition not clear and obvious and the goal stands.

This is by far my biggest issue with the game today.

Yeah, but they can call the precision in differences of those colored lines "clear and obvious" if they vouch for their accuracy, right?

It's always going to come down to inches because of the new tech. There has to be some other standard introduced to remove the frivolous calls and allow the meaningless, technical offsides.

There are enough other judgment calls in the game they could probably add something to the effect of "offside AND gives a clear and obvious ADVANTAGE to the attacker that creates the goalscoring opportunity".

Someone being an inch offside on a run where the defender isn't even paying attention is stupid. The extra inch is not the advantage that creates the goalscoring opportunity. But if there's a close play on a set piece and someone is offside and they toe-poke it in with a big stretch...that might deserve the close offside call. For example.