Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXIV

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What was the asking price for Vlad Tarasenko this past offseason? Dude rebounded from injuries to post a new career high in points (78 so far). 33 goals as well. He would have been a nice add.

Is it okay on this site to say I told you so? I lobbied for his acquisition all preseason.
 

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That is the million dollar question. Maybe it was a 1st rounder? Maybe it was Mercer?

Obviously it was beyond what teams, not just us, were willing to give up.


Had little to do with what they woulkd have to give up. The injury question was the issue. No one wanted to take the risk of losing big if it turned out he couldn't go.
 

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Is it okay on this site to say I told you so? I lobbied for his acquisition all preseason.
And I say again, he was never traded because nobody met whatever the Blues price was. As a win now team, they had little intention of trading him, yeah I know people think he could have been had cheap because he was left unprotected in the expansion draft but let’s get real, they knew Seattle was taking Dunn. Who’s to say they weren’t asking for a 1 and 2 for 50% retained? If he could have been had for cheap he would have been traded, I highly doubt they offered him up for some mid round pick and the whole league declined.

You and others are only being I told you sos because you’re still assuming we would have had to give up nothing to get him. If they were asking for a first rounder plus and he blew up on us like Subban there’d be I told you sos the other way, it wasn’t a no brainer
 
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Sorry, they can't hear you, they're too busy shooting over or wide of the net what seems like 20 goddamn times a game I swear to God
Apparently that's waht they are taught to do. The Comets mimic that shot behavior to the letter and Zetterlund, Holtz, and Foote lead the parade.
 

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Had little to do with what they woulkd have to give up. The injury question was the issue. No one wanted to take the risk of losing big if it turned out he couldn't go.
The injury was part of the equation. As was the return.

For a team with cap space like we had, a couple with a couple years left on his contract was not going to be a major deterrent. I mean, it's a consideration for sure, but if you get him for little going back, I think some team would have made the trade.
 

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Apparently that's waht they are taught to do. The Comets mimic that shot behavior to the letter and Zetterlund, Holtz, and Foote lead the parade.
Picking corners, it's where goals are scored. I mean, Holtz and Zetterlund are #1 and #2 in terms of goals scored for Utica this season.
 

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And I say again, he was never traded because nobody met whatever the Blues price was. As a win now team, they had little intention of trading him, yeah I know people think he could have been had cheap because he was left unprotected in the expansion draft but let’s get real, they knew Seattle was taking Dunn. Who’s to say they weren’t asking for a 1 and 2 for 50% retained? If he could have been had for cheap he would have been traded, I highly doubt they offered him up for some mid round pick and the whole league declined.

You and others are only being I told you sos because you’re still assuming we would have had to give up nothing to get him. If they were asking for a first rounder plus and he blew up on us like Subban there’d be I told you sos the other way, it wasn’t a no brainer
I never said they wouldn't have to give up good things. I sadi they didn't want to give up the good things and risk he wouldn't be able to go. You don't get that type of player for free. Ever.
 

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Though hes tiny (hes listed at 5'10" but I sort of doubt that), would we consider targeting Conor Garland from Vancouver? And I wonder what hed cost?

Vancouver seems to be a mess in the locker rook apparently and want to do a bit of an exodus of cap/salary, and their only untouchables mentioned were Pettersson Hughes (sad) Demko and Podkolzin.

A natural RW trio of Garland/Mercer/Holtz would be something to behold I bet. Would leave Bratt Sharangovich and Tatar on the left.
 

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Luckily Jesper Bratt can play both sides which sort of allows us wiggle room for a top-9 LW acquisition, if need be. Though I do think we need another righty or two up front (Holtz is one)
 
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Picking corners, it's where goals are scored. I mean, Holtz and Zetterlund are #1 and #2 in terms of goals scored for Utica this season.
Yup, and most of them were not picked upper corners. Did you see Holtz's goal last night? The 1-timer PP shot off the cross ice pass just has to hit the open side and a bunch of their goals have done that as well. Open nets off reebounds account for some as well. Z's 1st NHL goal was off the goalie's stick on an open side off a 2 on 1 pass. Watch the replay. Not top corner. Open spots are the answer and that's the top corner some times, five hole another, low glove side, etc. There are a whole bunch of ways goals are scored and the real good ones take advantage of every opening.

20 other AHL guys ahead of them and 19 more nipping at their heels. Now if they hit those top corners that would be another story. Missing the net wide by several feet or clearing the net off the top of the glass does not remind me of a guy just missing the top corner. It's like Vaughn's ball off the back stop and Uecker saying, "Just bit outside."

There is a big difference in missing the top corner and missing so bad you wouldn't hit a net 10 feet wide and 8ft high. Foote is even worse at it. He can find the empty net though he has 3 of those in his 14 goal total. Z has 3 of them as well. That says they do know where it is.

Z and Holtz are goal scorers and they will score them any way they can get them. The pretty picked upper corner is not the way the guys with the highest numbers accumulate most of their tallies. They simply find the open spots better than the rest and get the shots off in a flash which is THE key ingredient.
 

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Though hes tiny (hes listed at 5'10" but I sort of doubt that), would we consider targeting Conor Garland from Vancouver? And I wonder what hed cost?

Vancouver seems to be a mess in the locker rook apparently and want to do a bit of an exodus of cap/salary, and their only untouchables mentioned were Pettersson Hughes (sad) Demko and Podkolzin.

A natural RW trio of Garland/Mercer/Holtz would be something to behold I bet. Would leave Bratt Sharangovich and Tatar on the left.
Some in Vancouver have recently committed the Cardinal sin and have suggested Hughes to NJ would reap a huge return because they think the Devils would go big to put all 3 brothers on the ice and a person in every seat game after game. "The NJ market would flourish with the Hughes brothers." They bring this up because the cap situation there requires the Canucks to do a major retool/rebuild.

As to Garland, he runs hot and cold, but a consistent center feeding him and taking his return passes would produce good numbers. He also digs the corners well for a guy his size and there is some feistiness to his game as well. He's a $5mil winger under contract for 4 more seasons. He can also play LW.
 
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Though hes tiny (hes listed at 5'10" but I sort of doubt that), would we consider targeting Conor Garland from Vancouver? And I wonder what hed cost?

Vancouver seems to be a mess in the locker rook apparently and want to do a bit of an exodus of cap/salary, and their only untouchables mentioned were Pettersson Hughes (sad) Demko and Podkolzin.

A natural RW trio of Garland/Mercer/Holtz would be something to behold I bet. Would leave Bratt Sharangovich and Tatar on the left.
No thanks . We have talked about this a lot . Garland is on his ass more often than he is standing on his skates . Don’t need a player like him . Strong strong pass for me .
 

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I've been scratching my head trying to figure out why Okhotiuk looks so familiar. I just realized he's the spitting image of the Jesus loving virgin who worked at Moobys in Clerks II. The characters name......Elias.....
 

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I've been scratching my head trying to figure out why Okhotiuk looks so familiar. I just realized he's the spitting image of the Jesus loving virgin who worked at Moobys in Clerks II. The characters name......Elias.....
Pics or it didn't happen.
 
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