Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXIV

[Buggsy]

Sharangovich is 60th in 5 on 5 goals over the last 2 seasons. His first two seasons. How is he not much of a goal scorer? You have a strange bias against this player. You keep saying he’s not a good finisher or goal scorer with little evidence.

I don't understand why others are saying he doesn't score in tight or one time. He definitely has more than a handful of goals that come off bang bang plays where he roofs it immediately

 

[NJDfan86]

I don't understand why others are saying he doesn't score in tight or one time. He definitely has more than a handful of goals that come off bang bang plays where he roofs it immediately

No matter what some people don’t see anything past draft position for 3-4 years. You have to “prove it”.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Sharangovich is 60th in 5 on 5 goals over the last 2 seasons. His first two seasons. How is he not much of a goal scorer? You have a strange bias against this player. You keep saying he’s not a good finisher or goal scorer with little evidence.

I have no bias against him. Just going off of what I’m seeing. He’s got a good shot and is good at scoring in a few situations but there’s other areas where he’s not good enough at finishing and scoring in that Jack is good at setting up.

He’s 105th this season(97th over past 2) in goals per game (players 20+ games) while playing half of the season with now one of the best playmakers in the game. It’s certainly not bad and I’m sure it’s a bit better if you go by 5v5 goals per game but those certainly aren’t great goal scoring numbers and Jack’s assist numbers should be much higher considering the amount of chances he creates and Sharangovich doesn’t bury enough of the chances Jack creates for him in certain situations.

I’ve very clearly explained where I think he needs to be better in terms of his finishing and I’m not saying he doesn’t have a good shot or can’t score at all. Just don’t think he’s as good of a goalscorer or finisher as some people seem to be suggesting or that he’s the perfect fit for Jack as someone above said.

I’m not sure why you’re talking about evidence like you’re providing something that shows Sharangovich is a great goal scorer and the forsure long term winger for a player who should be one of the best playmakers in the game going forward.
He can score some goals and I’m not trying to say he can’t I just don’t think he’s a pure goalscorer or as good of an all-around finisher as we would want an elite playmaker like Jack to have.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

No matter what some people don’t see anything past draft position for 3-4 years. You have to “prove it”.

He’s proven that he’s a solid forward with a good shot who can score some goals.
I just don’t think he’s good enough or at least hasn’t shown enough to be the for sure long term winger for Jack.

This is a weird one. I’m pretty sure anyone regardless of where they were drafted has to “prove it”.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I don't understand why others are saying he doesn't score in tight or one time. He definitely has more than a handful of goals that come off bang bang plays where he roofs it immediately

Who said he doesn’t score off one timers or bang bang plays?
I’m pretty sure that’s literally one of his best if not his best way of scoring. He’s great at scoring off passes to the slot while he’s stationary with either a quick release or one-timer.

 

[NJDfan86]

He’s proven that he’s a solid forward with a good shot who can score some goals.
I just don’t think he’s good enough or at least hasn’t shown enough to be the for sure long term winger for Jack.

He scores goals, and this year he has controlled play even without Jack. He has played well on the international stage since “emerging“.

He is a late bloomer - atypical, but it happens. If he was an empty goal scorer who has only succeeded with Jack that’s one thing but he is still getting better.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I have no bias against him. Just going off of what I’m seeing. He’s got a good shot and is good at scoring in a few situations but there’s other areas where he’s not good enough at finishing and scoring in that Jack is good at setting up.

He’s 105th this season(97th over past 2) in goals per game (players 20+ games) while playing half of the season with now one of the best playmakers in the game. It’s certainly not bad and I’m sure it’s a bit better if you go by 5v5 goals per game but those certainly aren’t great goal scoring numbers and Jack’s assist numbers should be much higher considering the amount of chances he creates and Sharangovich doesn’t bury enough of the chances Jack creates for him in certain situations.

I’ve very clearly explained where I think he needs to be better in terms of his finishing and I’m not saying he doesn’t have a good shot or can’t score at all. Just don’t think he’s as good of a goalscorer or finisher as some people seem to be suggesting or that he’s the perfect fit for Jack as someone above said.

I’m not sure why you’re talking about evidence like you’re providing something that shows Sharangovich is a great goal scorer and the forsure long term winger for a player who should be one of the best playmakers in the game going forward.
He can score some goals and I’m not trying to say he can’t I just don’t think he’s a pure goalscorer or as good of an all-around finisher as we would want an elite playmaker like Jack to have.

My evidence is that he is scoring goals at 5 on 5 at a 1st line rate in his first 2 seasons. Tied with Tavares, Crosby, Landeskog. More than Giroux, Stamkos, Svechnikov, Panarin, Boeser, Laine.

He plays well with Jack, finishes well, and will likely improve. Not really an area we need to improve nor an area we will have an easy time actually improving if we wanted to.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

He scores goals, and this year he has controlled play even without Jack. He has played well on the international stage since “emerging“.

He is a late bloomer - atypical, but it happens. If he was an empty goal scorer who has only succeeded with Jack that’s one thing but he is still getting better.

I don’t really disagree with anything here. He’s a solid player.

I just don’t think he’s a perfect fit for Jack as someone else suggested, as good of a goal scorer as some people seem to think (has some holes), or that he is the forsure long term winger for someone who should be one of the best playmakers in the game for the foreseeable future.

Even in Jack’s breakout year with much better numbers his assists aren’t as high as they should’ve been for someone who creates as many chances as he does. And Sharangovich has played with him for the majority of his games and from my observations isn’t good enough at finishing or scoring in certain situations that Jack is very good at setting up. Nor are Sharangovich’s goal scoring numbers good enough to claim he’s a perfect fit for Jack or his long term goal scoring winger.

 

[NJDfan86]

I don’t really disagree with anything here. He’s a solid player.

I just don’t think he’s a perfect fit for Jack as someone else suggested, as good of a goal scorer as some people seem to think (has some holes), or that he is the forsure long term winger for someone who should be one of the best playmakers in the game for the foreseeable future.

Even in Jack’s breakout year with much better numbers his assists aren’t as high as they should’ve been for someone who creates as many chances as he does. And Sharangovich has played with him for the majority of his games and from my observations isn’t good enough at finishing or scoring in certain situations that Jack is very good at setting up. Nor are Sharangovich’s goal scoring numbers good enough to claim he’s a perfect fit for Jack or his long term goal scoring winger.

Jack Hughes has played more NHL games than Yegor Sharangovich so far, so blaming Jack’s lack of layup’s being finished solely on Yegor seems a bit premature. All we know so far is that Jack plays his best with Yegor and Yegor plays his best with Jack. Is there player who plays better with Jack? I am sure. Is that player readily available to Devils? Questionable.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of great.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

My evidence is that he is scoring goals at 5 on 5 at a 1st line rate in his first 2 seasons. Tied with Tavares, Crosby, Landeskog. More than Giroux, Stamkos, Svechnikov, Panarin, Boeser, Laine.

He plays well with Jack, finishes well, and will likely improve. Not really an area we need to improve nor an area we will have an easy time actually improving if we wanted to.

First things first. I always find it to be really funny when people start name dropping big name players completely out of context to try and prove some point. Like completely ignoring that some of those players have been scoring at the worst rates of their careers or since their rookie seasons. Or ignoring that some of them have always been much more so playmakers throughout their careers. And then there’s Laine and Boeser who are known as young scorers but are powerplay reliant and I’m not sure either of them would be a great fit with Jack either. Neither of them have scored as well as they did in the past either. Lol, you just found the biggest names around where he was and chose to ignore all the necessary context to try and make your point seem more valid.

While 60th in 5v5 goals is technically a fringe first line rate if you’re just going purely off 5v5 goals, it really isn’t that great or quite good enough IMO for someone who has been playing as the primary option on a line with one of the best playmakers in the game for half of his games. That isn’t good enough for him to be considered the for sure long term winger for Jack. Also is that adjusted to a per-game basis?

Is he a viable option there? Absolutely. But I think unless he gets even better then we need more than that from the main goalscorer on a line with one of the best playmakers in the game. He’s a solid enough goal scorer but doesn’t finish well enough in certain situations. There’s a simple reality that Jack should be getting more assists with the amount of chances he creates. Is that all on Sharangovich? Absolutely not but he is a main part of that and I think he leaves something to be desired in terms of his finishing in certain situations and that he should burying more of those chances Jack is creating for him.

Also him being 60th in 5v5 scoring isn’t exactly a perfect reflection of his finishing ability. He could be getting more and/or better chances than others. I’d actually bet that if you look at his goal’s scored above expected it’s not that great. If I’m right however that would just mean he’s better at getting chances either by his own doing and/or more so others doings by setting him up.

Sorry there’s a lot there and it’s kind of disorganized.
Just one question for you. Assuming that’s what he is going forward or he gets a little better.
Do you think the 60th best 5v5 goalscorer (fringe first line) in the league should be the main goal scoring option for one of the best playmakers in the game? Is that good enough if we want to be a top 5 team and contender and is that gonna get the most out of Jack’s Playmaking?

I personally don’t think so. And I know it’s not easy to find but I think we want/need a surefire 40+ scorer alongside Jack or someone who’s among the best 5v5 goal scorers in the league. And to this point Jack’s Playmaking certainly hasn’t been maximized. And while Sharangovich has been a better fit with Jack than others in our lineup I certainly think we can and should try to find an even better fit and goalscorer than someone who to this point is a 25 goal scorer. And I certainly don’t think anyone should be claiming he’s a perfect fit with Jack or his for sure long term winger.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Jack Hughes has played more NHL games than Yegor Sharangovich so far, so blaming Jack’s lack of layup’s being finished solely on Yegor seems a bit premature. All we know so far is that Jack plays his best with Yegor and Yegor plays his best with Jack. Is there player who plays better with Jack? I am sure. Is that player readily available to Devils? Questionable.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of great.

Sharangovich definitely isn’t solely to blame for Jack’s chances not leading to more goals but he has played a lot with him and I think he is a big part of that.

Sharangovich is the best fit we have for Jack on our team it seems. And no we don’t need the perfect goal scorer or fit but I think we want better than what Sharangovich has been so far. I think if we want to be one of the best teams in the league we need someone better than Sharangovich who has been a 25 goal scorer so far on one of the best playmakers in the leagues wing.

That certainly isn’t easy to find and Sharangovich could still improve or that goalscorer could come from within but I just don’t think anybody should be claiming that Sharangovich is a perfect fit for Jack or that he should be Jack’s long term winger.

 

[Devs3cups]

First things first. I always find it to be really funny when people start name dropping big name players completely out of context to try and prove some point. Like completely ignoring that some of those players have been scoring at the worst rates of their careers or since their rookie seasons. Or ignoring that some of them have always been much more so playmakers throughout their careers. And then there’s Laine and Boeser who are known as young scorers but are powerplay reliant and I’m not sure either of them would be a great fit with Jack either. Neither of them have scored as well as they did in the past either. Lol, you just found the biggest names around where he was and chose to ignore all the necessary context to try and make your point seem more valid.

While 60th in 5v5 goals is technically a fringe first line rate if you’re just going purely off 5v5 goals, it really isn’t that great or quite good enough IMO for someone who has been playing as the primary option on a line with one of the best playmakers in the game for half of his games. That isn’t good enough for him to be considered the for sure long term winger for Jack. Also is that adjusted to a per-game basis?

Is he a viable option there? Absolutely. But I think unless he gets even better then we need more than that from the main goalscorer on a line with one of the best playmakers in the game. He’s a solid enough goal scorer but doesn’t finish well enough in certain situations. There’s a simple reality that Jack should be getting more assists with the amount of chances he creates. Is that all on Sharangovich? Absolutely not but he is a main part of that and I think he leaves something to be desired in terms of his finishing in certain situations and that he should burying more of those chances Jack is creating for him.

Also him being 60th in 5v5 scoring isn’t exactly a perfect reflection of his finishing ability. He could be getting more and/or better chances than others. I’d actually bet that if you look at his goal’s scored above expected it’s not that great. If I’m right however that would just mean he’s better at getting chances either by his own doing and/or more so others doings by setting him up.

Sorry there’s a lot there and it’s kind of disorganized.
Just one question for you. Assuming that’s what he is going forward or he gets a little better.
Do you think the 60th best 5v5 goalscorer (fringe first line) in the league should be the main goal scoring option for one of the best playmakers in the game? Is that good enough if we want to be a top 5 team and contender and is that gonna get the most out of Jack’s Playmaking?

I personally don’t think so. And I know it’s not easy to find but I think we want/need a surefire 40+ scorer alongside Jack or someone who’s among the best 5v5 goal scorers in the league. And to this point Jack’s Playmaking certainly hasn’t been maximized. And while Sharangovich has been a better fit with Jack than others in our lineup I certainly think we can and should try to find an even better fit and goalscorer than someone who to this point is a 25 goal scorer. And I certainly don’t think anyone should be claiming he’s a perfect fit with Jack or his for sure long term winger.

What do you think of Holtz with Hughes? Do you believe in Alex to be that guy?

 

[Captain3rdLine]

What do you think of Holtz with Hughes? Do you believe in Alex to be that guy?

Honestly I’m not sure. He’s a goalscorer and has a wicked shot but isn’t the best skater. We’ll see.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

First things first. I always find it to be really funny when people start name dropping big name players completely out of context to try and prove some point. Like completely ignoring that some of those players have been scoring at the worst rates of their careers or since their rookie seasons. Or ignoring that some of them have always been much more so playmakers throughout their careers. And then there’s Laine and Boeser who are known as young scorers but are powerplay reliant and I’m not sure either of them would be a great fit with Jack either. Neither of them have scored as well as they did in the past either. Lol, you just found the biggest names around where he was and chose to ignore all the necessary context to try and make your point seem more valid.

While 60th in 5v5 goals is technically a fringe first line rate if you’re just going purely off 5v5 goals, it really isn’t that great or quite good enough IMO for someone who has been playing as the primary option on a line with one of the best playmakers in the game for half of his games. That isn’t good enough for him to be considered the for sure long term winger for Jack. Also is that adjusted to a per-game basis?

Is he a viable option there? Absolutely. But I think unless he gets even better then we need more than that from the main goalscorer on a line with one of the best playmakers in the game. He’s a solid enough goal scorer but doesn’t finish well enough in certain situations. There’s a simple reality that Jack should be getting more assists with the amount of chances he creates. Is that all on Sharangovich? Absolutely not but he is a main part of that and I think he leaves something to be desired in terms of his finishing in certain situations and that he should burying more of those chances Jack is creating for him.

Also him being 60th in 5v5 scoring isn’t exactly a perfect reflection of his finishing ability. He could be getting more and/or better chances than others. I’d actually bet that if you look at his goal’s scored above expected it’s not that great. If I’m right however that would just mean he’s better at getting chances either by his own doing and/or more so others doings by setting him up.

Sorry there’s a lot there and it’s kind of disorganized.
Just one question for you. Assuming that’s what he is going forward or he gets a little better.
Do you think the 60th best 5v5 goalscorer (fringe first line) in the league should be the main goal scoring option for one of the best playmakers in the game? Is that good enough if we want to be a top 5 team and contender and is that gonna get the most out of Jack’s Playmaking?

I personally don’t think so. And I know it’s not easy to find but I think we want/need a surefire 40+ scorer alongside Jack or someone who’s among the best 5v5 goal scorers in the league. And to this point Jack’s Playmaking certainly hasn’t been maximized. And while Sharangovich has been a better fit with Jack than others in our lineup I certainly think we can and should try to find an even better fit and goalscorer than someone who to this point is a 25 goal scorer. And I certainly don’t think anyone should be claiming he’s a perfect fit with Jack or his for sure long term winger.

The only reason I even named anyone was just to show the ridiculousness of complaining about his finishing ability. He’s in the company of plenty of excellent players. I don’t care about any of their circumstances, you don’t even care about the context of his career — literally his first two seasons.

Shooting 14+ percent in back to back years to start his career is evidence that he is a good finisher. The number of 5 on 5 goals he has in his first two years is more than fine. I didn’t say he was a perfect anything, I don’t even know what that means. But he is a good finisher, and I’m not sure how we’re getting someone that’s any better than him.

Also I think you’re getting it literally exactly opposite. We absolutely don’t need to prioritize getting the best possible wings for Jack. You just need someone to mesh with him, not spend 8+ million dollars on a wing. That’s what an actual 40+ goal scorer would be paid and I don’t know who this player is or how they’re getting them.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

The only reason I even named anyone was just to show the ridiculousness of complaining about his finishing ability. He’s in the company of plenty of excellent players. I don’t care about any of their circumstances, you don’t even care about the context of his career — literally his first two seasons.

Shooting 14+ percent in back to back years to start his career is evidence that he is a good finisher. The number of 5 on 5 goals he has in his first two years is more than fine. I didn’t say he was a perfect anything, I don’t even know what that means. But he is a good finisher, and I’m not sure how we’re getting someone that’s any better than him.

Fair enough, and I’m not sure either. But I think it’s something that we need if want to be a top team and contender. A top finisher and goalscorer on Jack’s wing. Someone who can put up 40+ goals.

 

[Mgd31]

Can we bring in Robin Lehner this offseason?

 

[FooteBahl]

Can we bring in Robin Lehner this offseason?

I think Jesper broke him

 

[markog]

Can we bring in Robin Lehner this offseason?

Like we don't have enough goalies on IR.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

This article actually supports what I was saying in here yesterday. Sharangovich is a capable top 6 winger and our best option as a shooter for Jack right now. But if we want to be a contender he isn’t good enough. I think we need a true 30-35+ goal scorer who plays well with Jack and can put up 40+ with him.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Sharangovich is a great "3rd player" to have on a scoring line. With that being said, he should touch the puck as little as possible. He is not good in tight areas and isn't the best puck handler or passer. All of this is ok and still amounts to a useful player. I do not want him on a line with Holtz, even if Jack is the pivot. He would have too much responsibility .

 

[glenwo2]

This article actually supports what I was saying in here yesterday. Sharangovich is a capable top 6 winger and our best option as a shooter for Jack right now. But if we want to be a contender he isn’t good enough. I think we need a true 30-35+ goal scorer who plays well with Jack and can put up 40+ with him.

Well let's hope that Holtz is that guy.

 

[FooteBahl]

This article actually supports what I was saying in here yesterday. Sharangovich is a capable top 6 winger and our best option as a shooter for Jack right now. But if we want to be a contender he isn’t good enough. I think we need a true 30-35+ goal scorer who plays well with Jack and can put up 40+ with him.

His name is Alex Holtz…I hope.

 

[theoptimist]

Would cool down expectations on Holtz in Top 6 next year. He will get there 23-24 and beyond

 

[Billdo]

Would cool down expectations on Holtz in Top 6 next year. He will get there 23-24 and beyond

I don't think it's a stretch at all to think he'd be in the top 6

 

[Eggtimer]

I think Holtz can be the guy in Jacks wing eventually but to start off , I can’t see a line of Shara Hughes Holtz being a thing . Not the best line composition . Essentially three young guys that arnt the most experienced defensively .