Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

[Captain3rdLine]

Interesting

 

[Incharge1976]

Interesting

Hate to lose him for the playoffs but willing to trade him now if it helps recoup a pick and a player we can use in the Timo trade.

 

[Nubmer6]

Agreed from SJ side. Timo isn’t helping our tank, so the faster he is off the team for a fair package the better. I don’t mind Holtz, #1 and another prospect or a 2nd rounder

Not to be a downer for you, but I have to say, after seeing the returns for Horvat and Teresenko, your return may not be as big as we're offering here on this board. Over the last 5 years or so I think there's been a notable decline in what's returned for TDL deals, and that may especially hold true in a draft universally touted as being deep in prospects and so many cap strapped teams. I wouldn't be surprised if prospective teams are playing hardball with SJ, even with a bidding war going on. There's a definite possibility the return on Meier will less what what we all think.

 

[Guttersniped]

Do you mean around the league or around these parts?

I think Dougie gets his flowers from many on here, he certainly isn't getting any recognition league wide at all though. Which is pretty wild because I remember many talking about him in league circles before coming to NJ and somehow he is flying under the radar while having set a new career high in points with 30 games to go and seems pretty likely to hit 20 goals.

Some here seem to be more focused on his defensive miscues but what the guy brings on offense is worth every penny of the contract we gave him.

I also think him and Siegs have gotten a lot of flak recently. They're a solid pairing as a whole that complement each other pretty nicely.

What he's done in this latest stretch is nothing short of remarkable. He's got 13 points in his past 6 games, 5 of them goals, 3 of them game winners and averaging 24 minutes a night. He's been the 2nd most valuable skater to Jack for the past month or so.

Hey and I saw the goal onslaught coming in pre-season!

Admittedly, I was afraid something randomly terrible would prevent Dougie from getting 20 goals, but we all come from a place of pain as a fan base lol.

GDT: - Preseason Hockey! Game #2 - Your New Jersey Devils vs. New York Islanders, 7 PM, MSGSN

Are they gonna roll 3 goalies this year ? Assuming bernier is healthy and in form ?

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[SteveCangialosi123]

I don’t believe Severson will be traded. We can’t afford to lose him.

 

[Devils731]

I think the return on Severson has to be too good to say no to in order to trade him but I think you need to do your due diligence and find out what teams are offering.

The players know it’s a business, if you trade Severson without getting a haul then I think they’ll be annoyed. If you do get a haul then I think they’ll be bummed but understand.

 

[Guttersniped]

Interesting

Hmmmm…

 

[forceten]

I want a late 1st for severson

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I think the return on Severson has to be too good to say no to in order to trade him but I think you need to do your due diligence and find out what teams are offering.

The players know it’s a business, if you trade Severson without getting a haul then I think they’ll be annoyed. If you do get a haul then I think they’ll be bummed but understand.

I don’t think the return will matter as much to the players as what else they do. If they just trade him then that probably doesn’t look to good to the players.

If they trade him but then bring in a big time player like Meier the players are probably happy especially when Luke shows up to fill Severson void or some other depth add.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I think we really want to have a first in this years draft. Even a late first could get you a really good prospect if you can get someone who went later than they should.

But to get Meier we would no doubt need to include a first. So if we can get a first back for Severson that would be nice asset management. It would weaken or D group but we could find some depth stand-in if need be for cheap and I’d imagine Luke will be stepping into that spot once his season is done.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Meier can do math as well as Bratt can. The total comp can be better over 8 year re-sign.

Trading Bratt for Meier would be absurd because it would literally get us nowhere. Apple to Apple and pay dearly to do it? No thanks.

Meier is worth our 1st. And an A prospect and a B prospect and a bottom six roster player perhaps. But these requests for Bratt, Nemec, etc. are a bit absurd.

Meier is a lot bigger apple.

 

[theoptimist]

Yea, I can tell Sevs can't stand playing 3rd pairing minutes

 

[Bleedred]

Bahl sucks

Steve Santini 2.0

As much as I wanna say Seth Helgeson 2.0, I don't think he's that bad. And I think he's better than Colton White.

I thought he looked good at one point earlier in the year, but it's been quite some time now.

And I thought his first several call ups were really bad, up until his last one to end last year, which was good.

And regardless if he ends up being good or not, it won't be here, unless he sticks around for several years as a #7. We have way better D prospects than him and then we have Marino, Siegenthaler and Dougie all signed for several more years.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Interesting

Risky move, but if Marino and Dougie stay healthy and any of our prospects can pick up the slack, it could be an extremely smart play. Retention on him I believe would bring in a haul from some contending team.

But, if anyone on the right side gets hurt going into playoffs and/or whoever is on the 3rd pair just sinks the ship, it could be an insanely dumb move in hindsight.

Just a gamble really.

 

[longislanddevil]

Very unusual for a contending team to dump a key player. I understand Luke Hughes will be here but I’d much rather play Luke and Severson…AND NO BRENDAN SMITH!!

I tend to hate letting a player walk and getting nothing in return but I believe Fitz owes it to the boys to field the best team possible for a playoff run. Just think it sends a really poor message to deal Severson. We are in contending mode now, not rebuilding….manage the set of circumstances accordingly.

 

[Bleedred]

The only real reason to move Severson is for cap purposes.

Think of how the Panthers moved Vatrano to the Rangers last year, simply to free up cap space for Chiarot (LOL) and Giroux.

He shouldn't be dealt just to get back assets or so he doesn't walk for free. Fans are too hung up on guys walking for free or god forbid we don't get assets.

 

[BahlDeep]

We won't win the cup this year. We will end up losing Severson for nothing.

Trade him and gather assets.

 

[Rybo]

I don’t believe Severson will be traded. We can’t afford to lose him.

But couldnt we use Luke or Simon in his spot?

 

[Better Call Sal]

Here's how I see it. Fitz wouldn't be doing his job properly if he didn't field calls from teams asking about Severson given he is a pending UFA who is likely to walk given the numbers on the right side at the moment.

I don't believe for a second that he would trade him unless the offer was too good to pass up.

 

[jkrdevil]

Considering they didn’t bring Nemec up after the WJC’s when Marino was hurt for a test run, I doubt they move Severson. Unless it is a cap move where they are getting a cheaper d man back in return.

Had Simon come up and play well then I could see a Severson getting moved. Kind of like when they moved out Hale for Greene in 07 (although on a bigger scale).

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Yea, I can tell Sevs can't stand playing 3rd pairing minutes

I mean 20:30 a game and 4th most on the team isn’t 3rd pairing minutes at all.

Don’t think this has anything to do with what Severson wants. I think it’s just asset management from Fitz. Recoup some assets especially if we’re hunting for a big fish.

I think we can reasonably assume that Luke will be coming right into the lineup.

So in that case the most likely pairings IMO are

Siegenthaler Hamilton
Graves Severson
Hughes Marino
Smith

They’d have to send Bahl down which they probably don’t want to do. Hughes and Smith can also both play on their offside so Fitz may be comfortable just having 2RD. Get rid of Severson and it looks something like this

Siegenthaler Hamilton
Graves Marino
Smith Hughes
Bahl
Okhotiuk Nemec

Solid top four and then you have a high-end talent in Luke with your defensive guy in Smith on the 3rd pair. Couple of solid young guys as depth and maybe even Nemec if they want to do that sometime in the case of an injury.

 

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[longislanddevil]

I have no idea who this guy is but I’ll post this anyway in case someone does or has heard similar rumors.

Latest On Timo Meier

The Timo Meier-to-New Jersey train has been gathering speed for the last few weeks. It seems like a perfect fit, …

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[R8Devs]

Considering they didn’t bring Nemec up after the WJC’s when Marino was hurt for a test run, I doubt they move Severson. Unless it is a cap move where they are getting a cheaper d man back in return.

create cap space + parlay those assets for a Meier trade. I kind of doubt that would happen but you never know if they're all-in to the future, it is a way to protect it while also getting Meier this year.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Very unusual for a contending team to dump a key player. I understand Luke Hughes will be here but I’d much rather play Luke and Severson…AND NO BRENDAN SMITH!!

I tend to hate letting a player walk and getting nothing in return but I believe Fitz owes it to the boys to field the best team possible for a playoff run. Just think it sends a really poor message. We are in contending mode now, not rebuilding….manage the set of circumstances accordingly.

I think they’re very comfortable with Smith and aren’t looking to take him out of the lineup. I don’t think Fitz owes this to the boys if he can bring in a big time player like Meier and Hughes can replace Severson reasonably well. In that case it really doesn’t send a poor message. We are just starting our contending window and being smart with assets to ensure the window is as long as possible isn’t a bad idea. There’s a middle ground but as I said I don’t see how players and fans can be too upset with Fitz trading Severson to recoup some assets if he’s also able to bring a player like Meier in and Luke Hughes is stepping into Severson’s spot.