Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

[Richer's Ghost]

Ugggh….is this legit source?

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[greggers]

I'll completely speculate that maybe SJ was willing to take the 2x 1sts + Prospect, but Timo wouldn't extend with STL.

Just purely based on timing. Weird to see it "heating up" right after STL drops out.

Yeah, I can't see Timo eager to extend with a non-playoff team, and Thomas is great but he is not Jack Hughes.

Would not surprise me if SJ preferred STL's package with two 1sts over ours. Holtz has warts/red flags, Muk is a bit of an unknown, and Casey is small... picks let you draft guys you actually want.

 

[NjDevsRR]

This gif actually means its real news

This is still probably going to go to the last day. It won’t stop me from obsessively f5ing though.

 

[Nubmer6]

I'm beginning to think we should trade Holtz to someone else for a 1st and flip it to SJ for Meier. I wouldn't be surprised if we got a 1st+

 

[greggers]

I'm beginning to think we should trade Holtz to someone else for a 1st and flip it to SJ for Meier. I wouldn't be surprised if we got a 1st+

Maybe flip Severson for a 1st and trade a lesser prospect/pick for a depth D. I’m sure his agent would like him to be traded somewhere he’d play more and maybe be offered an extension.

 

[jkrdevil]

Maybe flip Severson for a 1st and trade a lesser prospect/pick for a depth D. I’m sure his agent would like him to be traded somewhere he’d play more and maybe be offered an extension.

Severson can make money by being a team that goes on a deep run.

 

[Billdo]

Could you imagine if Lemieux was on the 2003 team and was at the Rock tonight? lol

I actually thought about this this morning. The Meier chants would be electric.

 

[Eggtimer]

El Nino traded from Preds to Jets
Interesting to see what else the Preds move.
Id like Jeannot as a Wood replacement.
Oh and toss in Saros for a filler.

 

[Killing Joke]

According to Chris Johnston, he believes the canes upped their offer for Meier in the past 24 hours

 

[MauDevils]

According to Chris Johnston, the canes upped their offer for cane in the past 24 hours

Where did you see this? And I assume you mean Meier?

 

[Killing Joke]

Where did you see this? And I assume you mean Meier?

Steve dangles YouTube channel Johnston has a show on it.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I think we're talking past each other, as I agree with most of what you're saying. I'm not suggesting SJ would put Timo in the driver's seat or in any way impair their (however real or illusory) leverage -- they're gonna take the best deal they can get regardless of what Timo's plans are. What I'm saying is if the best deal they can get is contingent on Timo extending -- which it probably, but not necessarily, is -- they're going to want to know ahead of time whether Timo might actually extend with the teams they're talking to.

Timo's $10M QO gives him a degree of power/freedom most RFAs do not have. If he has a place he wants to go, it's much easier for him sign his QO (or do what Tkachuk did) and go to UFA than it is for someone like Bratt with a $5.45M QO. The extra $9M in Timo's pocket over those two years is pretty decent insurance policy in the unlikely event he has a meaningful injury or regresses.

I know he already has power but the second you start asking him where he wants to go you’re giving him more leverage and power and really putting him in control. They’ve been playing this off as if they aren’t necessarily gonna trade him but are exploring it. As soon as they start asking him where he’s wants to go they’re essentially telling him they’re almost certainly gonna trade him and telling him he has control in that.

You also have to think about how this originates. They can’t agree on an extension and Timo wants to leave. Their response to that isn’t gonna be okay where do you want to go then. It’s gonna be okay. And then they start exploring trades and if there’s acceptable one then his potential extension becomes part of the conversation.

They’re very clearly putting their acceptable return first and then Timo and the team that meets the price can figure out a contract. I think they’re very likely doing that behind closed doors with Timo too.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Me freezing outside the arena right now

 

[Emperoreddy]

How do we feel about firing up a trade deadline thread now?

Though if we make it, there can't be cross talk in this thread

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Steve dangles YouTube channel Johnston has a show on it.

It's us or them at this point. I don't think the Canes can wait as long as we can but it might make Grier pull the trigger if the Canes tell him to hurry up and they have the better offer.

 

[jkrdevil]

How do we feel about firing up a trade deadline thread now?

Though if we make it, there can't be cross talk in this thread

After tonight’s game imo

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Not surprising

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

After tonight’s game imo

We're in Colorado in Wednesday, would make a ton of sense if Timo meets us for the that game or Vegas next Friday.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Patrick Marleau? Who cares, he didn't even win his third cup in 2003.

 

[greggers]

Think CAR is all smoke. They know they won't win shit without a #2 C and they're gonna burn their best assets and available cap on another wing? Cheap owner doesn't help, either. Emily Kaplan I think nailed it the other day when she said, "They're monitoring Kane and Meier, but I wouldn't be surprised if their acquisition is an off-the-radar player with term."

 

[Lou is God]

Not surprising

If they're progressing it must mean they're down to one team. That's how I'm reading it.

 

[StevenToddIves]

El Nino traded from Preds to Jets
Interesting to see what else the Preds move.
Id like Jeannot as a Wood replacement.
Oh and toss in Saros for a filler.

The Niederreiter acquisition is an absolutely terrific deal for Winnipeg. The Jets have a very legitimate chance to come out of the West this year.

Unfortunately, it's bad news for the Devils, as Niederreiter would have been a great, lower-cost Plan B if the Devils were unable to acquire Meier. I still like the idea of kicking the tires on Boone Jenner, whether or not a Meier deal comes to fruition. That's a very solid, versatile and physical player no one really talks about.

 

[Guadana]

El Nino traded from Preds to Jets
Interesting to see what else the Preds move.
Id like Jeannot as a Wood replacement.
Oh and toss in Saros for a filler.

I was trying to find a rythm when I read it

Not surprising

We agree on Jarvis and first
CAN`T HEAR YOU, MARLEAU DAY!
What? *call the blues to trade first pick plus for Buchnevich*

 

[StevenToddIves]

Think CAR is all smoke. They know they won't win shit without a #2 C and they're gonna burn their best assets and available cap on another wing? Cheap owner doesn't help, either. Emily Kaplan I think nailed it the other day when she said, "They're monitoring Kane and Meier, but I wouldn't be surprised if their acquisition is an off-the-radar player with term."

Carolina might have the best blueline and among the best groups of wingers in the East. They're solid in goal and have an excellent 1C and 3C in Aho and Staal. But every team to win a Cup in the past decade has been very strong in the top 2 centers, and Kotkaniemi is one of the 3 or 4 weakest 2Cs in the entirety of the NHL. He's just not very good offensively, and the fact he can't even produce playing prime minutes with wingers like Svechnikov, Necas and Jarvis is borderline baffling.

So, I absolutely agree with you here. I feel Carolina might have been the Cup favorite both last year and this year if they didn't make the "F**k You Montreal" signing of Kotkaniemi which cost them a 1st round pick and Trocheck for sure, and possibly also Dougie Hamilton. We also need to keep in mind that the Hurricanes replaced Hamilton with Tony DeAngelo, whose porously godawful play was instrumental in Carolina being upset by the Rangers in last year's playoffs.

It's interesting to think how much Carolina's absurd acquisition of Kotkaniemi has been a benefit to their division rival New York Rangers and New Jersey Devils. In addition to DeAngelo's helping of the Rangers in last year's playoffs, Trocheck would likely still be in Carolina if not for Kotkaniemi, while Kotkaniemi's terrible contract certainly was at least a factor in both Hamilton leaving the Hurricanes and joining the Devils. All this for a borderline 3rd/4th line center?

Ultimately, the Hurricanes are going to have to realize their mistake and acquire a 2C if they want to win a cup. I felt they would have gone stronger after Horvat and O'Reilly. It doesn't look as if St. Louis is trading Schenn. Maybe they could go after Henrique or Schmaltz, but both of those guys are far from elite options for your 2C.

 

[Bcap88]