Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V
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I'd choose Casey of the three if I had a choice. I know he looks like he might be good, but I don't think he has a place here given the makeup of our D
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Schmid is the only close legit goalie prospect for now. Muk and Casey both good defensive prospects, both will be #1-2 defensive prospects on the sharks chart.
billingtons ghost
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The 'should expect to pay $9m' excludes the 8.5 that most of us were hoping for... I think that's the diff.
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Lafferty out tonight for Chicago. Would be a nice add to our depth. That’s the type of add that makes sense regardless of Timo imo
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Love how Chicago’s is tearing things down. So many teams struggle to do this.
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He’d be a huge upgrade on Wood, but I don’t think he’s ever coming out of the lineup.
Yes they have. Sharks aren't fielding offers that are contingent on Timo extending, waiting until the 11th hour for the best offer, then just hoping Timo doesn't blow up the deal. Asking Timo in private doesn't yield any leverage in negotiating with other teams -- it just gets you valuable info. The reason to not give the agent permission to talk is precisely to keep Timo's plans secret to not lose leverage with his chosen team.
I like Daws, but I'm not so high on him that I think Schmid is expendable. Brennan is much further away.
I wouldn't say no if SJ specifically asked for Schmid in the deal, but I also wouldn't be the one to offer him.
I don’t think that is a crazy aav considering his production. But it is a good chunk and we do have other guys to sign.
And given how much it will cost to sign him I am hesitant to send too much back the other way.
But we do have expendable high end pieces in the form of holtz muk OK and. First rounder. Its beyond that where i start to question the return.
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To be fair, the Devils’ weakness with sloppy puck management is exactly the kind of unforced error that a team like the rangers takes advantage of. The one thing the rangers skaters are definitely good at is scoring on limited but high danger chances, such as the breakaways and 2-on-1’s our team gives up multiple times a game. Throw in shesterkin stonewalling our top guys and you have a pretty good recipe for getting bounced quickly.
I’m hoping the devils get this somehow cleaned up by the time the playoffs roll around, but as it stands now I don’t like our chances because it’s been a problem for most of the season outside of the crazy stretch at the start. It really has nothing to do with how good the rangers are.
Given out goalie issues prior to this year im just not looking to move a goalie.
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The extension doesn’t matter if there’s teams willing to trade for him without it and they’re aren’t gonna wait till the 11th hour anyways. Nor are they just talking to teams he wants to go to. They’re looking for acceptable offers teams that field the best or acceptable offers will get to negotiate an extension with him if they want. It does them no good to just negotiate with teams he wants to go to.
Even if it’s just him and it’s private. The second they start asking him where he wants to go they are giving him leverage and opening up the door for him to just refuse to negotiate with other teams. The second he does that other teams will know and the sharks have lost all leverage and likely don’t get as good of a return.
If I’m them I don’t even want Timo to think the trade is hinged on him extending and it may not. You don’t want him to think he has that much control over where he goes by saying hey where do you want to go.
It is possible but thats just the NHL playoffs. Very rare that one team doesn’t have some sort of path to victory.
They would still negotiate with other teams, and they wouldn't tell any of them that Timo doesn't want to sign there. They just would want to know who SHOULD be willing to offer them the most. As I speculated, I think BUF would consider offering their 1st + Quinn for Timo without an extension, and that might be something we have a real hard time beating, at least in-season.
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No doubt. Rangers will play us aggressive hoping for those turnovers you mentioned. By no means will the Rangers be easy. Not saying we will beat them but it’s not going to be this slaughter that a lot of fans are expecting. Shesterkin reverting to last year’s form worries me more than anything.
They have done an ok job
You can argue that two of their biggest trade chips (Kane and toews) are going to return next to nothing. Which is a tough look
None Shall Pass
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Gotta be careful with any long-term deal. In the past month-ish the regional sports networks that carry about half of the NHL's teams (15 total) either filed for bankruptcy or are about to. That could result in a decent hit to revenues over the next few years, which means the cap may not make the significant jump it was expected to.
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He's one of the only players on this team that will bird dog the puck deep in the zone like Madden used to. That PK hound tenacity. Love seeing it. Wish he'd do it more often.
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What does any of that have to do with what I said? The second they ask Timo where he wants to go they are admittedly putting him in control of where he goes and essentially suggesting they’ll cater to where he wants to go. They can talk to other teams and what not but are they gonna make a deal when they asked and he said he didn’t want to go there. They’re basically saying to him in asking that we’re going to trade you and we’re gonna accommodate where you want to go.
Edit Add: while I think there’s situations where what you’re saying happens I highly doubt that’s the case here. SJS are kind of playing a higher risk and potentially higher reward game here. That’s why they didn’t start scratching him for trade reasons, why they aren’t giving teams permission to talk to his agent.
The only reason he’s getting traded is because they are kind of backed into the corner. I think they’re trying to use the only leverage they have to make it seem like they aren’t that backed into a corner quite yet. Their only leverage is that there’s multiple teams bidding and that they could just not trade him right now and hold onto him (no one knows how willing they are to actually do that).
The second they give him control of where he goes they lose leverage. Yes it might be riskier but I think they’d rather find the highest bidder and then let them try and figure something out with him. He might be more willing to negotiate with that team or at least give them some comfort to complete the deal if he’s under the impression that SJS might just keep him for the rest of the season and maybe next season otherwise.
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Shest looks very beatable lately and the game against the Caps today is no different.
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