Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

[Captain3rdLine]

I think the NHL Front Office grapevine knows significantly more than the press drops as tidbits.

I highly doubt it. Don’t see what else they could know given the situation. What do you think they could know?

As I added above the only way they’d have an idea of the price is if the agent leaked one. But as I added above that’s likely not beneficial to the Meier’s camp.
Plus as I said the price is gonna be different for different teams and that’s likely all they want teams to know.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Qualifying lets him become a UFA the year after. Arguably the worst scenario.

That's the type of thinking that made Calgary give Huberdeau his extension before he played a minute for them. If you give him a 10m qualifying offer you get to see how well he fits into the team, and you have a year+ to sign him to an extension. You also get to do this after you lock up Bratt. It's not the end of the world to acquire Timo unextended, and it's not the end of the world to give him his qualifier (something Carolina is rumored to have realized).

 

[greggers]

Highly doubt either is true. More likely they aren’t talking to Meier at all about where he wants to go. They aren’t gonna put him in a position of control. That would just lower his price.

They’re looking for the highest bidder and then gonna give them the opportunity to work on an extension with him. As it’s been reported though some teams such as Carolina may be perfectly willing to trade for Meier without an extension in place.

But no chance in hell SJS is going to Meier right now and saying where do you want to go. He’s not Patty Kane with a NMC

Meier with an extension is worth more than Meier without an extension. 100% they have asked him.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

That's the type of thinking that made Calgary give Huberdeau his extension before he played a minute for them. If you give him a 10m qualifying offer you get to see how well he fits into the team, and you have a year+ to sign him to an extension. You also get to do this after you lock up Bratt. It's not the end of the world to acquire Timo unextended, and it's not the end of the world to give him his qualifier (something Carolina is rumored to have realized).

How big of a deal it is completely depends on price.

 

[Devils731]

I highly doubt it. Don’t see what else they could know given the situation. What do you think they could know?

As I added above the only way they’d have an idea of the price is if the agent leaked one. But as I added above that’s likely not beneficial to the Meier’s camp.
Plus as I said the price is gonna be different for different teams and that’s likely all they want teams to know.

I think the teams know general value and years and it not being speculation.

We know agents and GMs talk significantly even when they aren’t allowed; that’s how massive free agent deals were often done minutes after the trade deadline opens.

There is no chance any of the front offices allow their media contacts to share everything that they know. Look at all the St Louis info that just got dumped; Strickland knew that stuff already, most likely, but couldn’t release it until the team wanted him to.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Meier with an extension is worth more than Meier without an extension. 100% they have asked him.

No they haven’t. Why the hell do you think they haven’t given his agent permission speak to teams?

Because they want to control it and don’t want to give more leverage than he already has.
Plus as it’s been reported teams such as Carolina may not care about the extension.

The second they start asking him where he wants to go they lose leverage and risk lowering the price.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I think the teams know general value and years and it not being speculation.

We know agents and GMs talk significantly even when they aren’t allowed; that’s how massive free agent deals were often done minutes after the trade deadline opens.

There is no chance any of the front offices allow their media contacts to share everything that they know. Look at all the St Louis info that just got dumped; Strickland knew that stuff already, most likely, but couldn’t release it until the team wanted him to.

Everyone knows general value and years. Everyone could very safely assume Meier’s camp is looking for somewhere from 8.5-9.5 for 8 years. That’s nothing special. The more specific price is gonna be dependent on the team. There is nothing out there that GM’s know that everyone else doesn’t know or couldn’t safely assume. All we know is Meier’s price is gonna be different for different teams and he’s more willing to sign with a contender. No one knows what the price is gonna be for a specific team. Unless of course GM’s are talking to Lemieux about it without permission. But that isn’t what you were originally suggesting.

And I absolutely agree. The media are essentially mouth pieces for the team. But Strickland probably didn’t even know that already. The likely told him they’re out of the race and made a strong offer and wanted him to post something. They essentially tell him what they want him to say.

 

[FinnishDevil]

What do you all think is Fitz's plan B if Meier doesnt work out? I feel like he still wants to bolster up the team for the playoffs although East looks like a bloodbath. He's probably not interested in the expensive rentals either.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

What do you all think is Fitz's plan B if Meier doesnt work out? I feel like he still wants to bolster up the team for the playoffs although East looks like a bloodbath. He's probably not interested in the expensive rentals either.

Probably a cheaper more under the radar move. Or Vrana. That would be an interesting one. Would be cheap and has the skillset.
As long as his situation is manageable and then you have him for this year and next as essentially as tryout to maybe earn an extension.
Might want some cap retained on him though.

 

[Guadana]

Someone from this forum would be the first man\woman who write about trade of Meier here. He\she would be the best man or woman in the world. Or the worst.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

What do you all think is Fitz's plan B if Meier doesnt work out? I feel like he still wants to bolster up the team for the playoffs although East looks like a bloodbath. He's probably not interested in the expensive rentals either.

As long as the moves are cap neutral/leave us with more room, we can make a small trade whether we get Meier or not. Lafferty is interesting to me, but I bet there are a few teams in on him with that contract.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

 

[Saugus]

Is he still injured, or is this because of the hot new phrase these days, "trade related reasons"?

 

[youryeah]

Is he still injured, or is this because of the hot new phrase these days, "trade related reasons"?

he skated this morning apparently

 

[Normal Devil]

Yeah .. I'd be fine with that deal for Meier. 1st, Holtz and Muk seems about right

 

[xigon]

If Timo let the Sharks’ GM know that it’s his desire to only sign an extension with Devils — this might not even be a secret to the Devils. Wasn’t Timo seen vacationing with 4 devils players? This cannot just be coincidence and there’s no way discussions weren’t brought up between him and the devils players.

If this is true, then Fitz knows he holds the upper hand in the negotiations.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Is he still injured, or is this because of the hot new phrase these days, "trade related reasons"?

Pretty sure he’s still technically injured but even if he’s perfectly fine now they’re probably gonna be him out as injured until he gets traded. Gives them an excuse to keep him out without saying it’s for trade reasons.

 

[Mgd31]

Is he still injured, or is this because of the hot new phrase these days, "trade related reasons"?

I’m pretty sure he’s still hurt

 

[Killing Joke]

Main boards: “devils need meier or the rangers will kill them especially if the rangers get Kane.” Lol people still think Kane is good. Adorable.

Me laughing at how according to Dom from the athletics model, one that’s extremely close to what the teams use, has us still as the better team even without jack. If we get meier, man. Even just decent depth pieces and a slight upgrade in the top six we are still better.

 

[DerekDevils30]

I absolutely LOVE seeing how others are perceiving the Devils heading into the playoffs. Saw some of it in the trade board Meier thread. No chance against the Rangers. They’re going to beat us up. Be surprised if the Devils made it past game 4 as things stands. Absolutely love that. We can beat them. Won’t be easy but my god are people sleeping on us.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

If Timo let the Sharks’ GM know that it’s his desire to only sign an extension with Devils — this might not even be a secret to the Devils. Wasn’t Timo seen vacationing with 4 devils players? This cannot just be coincidence and there’s no way discussions weren’t brought up between him and the devils players.

He’s not gonna do that. He would lose leverage.

And no I’m pretty sure a lot of people interpreted that wrong.
I think for the most part Haula and Tatar were on vacation together and then Bratt showed up later to join them.

While Nico might have been briefly with them at the start from my own personal sleuthing and speculation lol it seemed more like Meier, Nico, Siegs, and potentially some other swiss guys such as Pius Suter were together.

Although interestingly just looked and Meier most recent Instagram follow was Zetterlund.
Before that he started following Siegs and Suter during the all-star break.

But I’m pretty sure Meier Didn’t just go on vacation with a bunch of devils.

 

[HoliksGhost]

If Timo let the Sharks’ GM know that it’s his desire to only sign an extension with Devils — this might not even be a secret to the Devils. Wasn’t Timo seen vacationing with 4 devils players? This cannot just be coincidence and there’s no way discussions weren’t brought up between him and the devils players.

If this is true, then Fitz knows he holds the upper hand in the negotiations.

Vacation story ?

 

[xigon]

Would anyone here choose to trade Schmid in place of Muk or Casey?

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Would anyone here choose to trade Schmid in place of Muk or Casey?

Without knowing what's going on with Blackwood I think you can't trade Schmid right now at least without another G trade worked out, but in a vacuum he's worth less than Casey and more than Muk imo.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

For what it’s worth Meier was in the sharks morning skate.